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Aug 30, 2008
 
Everyone knows that TRINITY is a PAGAN doctrine.

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Everyone knows that TRINITY is a PAGAN doctrine.
I am sure that your belief is also a damned real pagan of a kind as well!
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Aug 30, 2008
 
Who Wrote the Bible?... must watch

First shown on Channel 4 in December 2004.

A documentary done and presented By Dr. Robert Beckford who himself is a christian and has a Ph.D. degree in Theology.

Watch this important documentary here http://video.google.com/videoplay...

Who Wrote the Bible? Is the Bible the Word of God? Why is the Bible full of Contradictions?

This documentary explores questions at the heart of the great Christian faith in a fair open-minded fashion. It is NOT meant to be inflamatory but informative. The truth one will see is the Bible is NOT what it is thought to be. So what is the Bible? Find out!
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[75] "The Messiah ('Isa (Jesus)) son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother (Maryam (Mary)) was a Siddiqah (i.e. she believed in the words of AllAh and His Books). They both used to eat food (as any other human being, while AllAh does not eat). Look how We make the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to them, yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth).
[76] Say (O Muhammad to mankind): "How do you worship besides Allah something which has no power either to harm or to benefit you? But it is Allah Who is the All-Hearer, All-Knower."

[The Noble Quran 5: 75-76]
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The Quran (which supposedly hasn't been changed) clearly says that Muhammed was the FIRST MUSLIM:

'No associate has He; and this am I commanded, and I am the first of those who submit.'- Shakir S. 6:163

'He hath no companion. This have I been commanded: I am THE FIRST MOSLEM '(almuslimeena).- Sale S. 6.163

'And I am commanded that I shall be THE FIRST of those who submit (almuslimeena).'- Shakir S. 39:12

'And I am commanded to be THE FIRST of those who are muslims (almuslimeena)(surrender unto Him).'- Pickthal S. 39:12

"And I am commanded to be THE FIRST of those WHO BOW TO ALLAH IN ISLAM (almuslimeena)." -Yusif Ali S. 39:12

'And I am commanded to be THE FIRST MOSLEM (almuslimeena).'- Sale S. 39:12
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Sep 4, 2008
 
[ King James ]-[ Rom:1:25 ]
"Who changed the truth of God into a lie,
and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator,
who is blessed for ever. Amen."
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Sep 4, 2008
 
If Jesus was God ...

Then how could God sit down at the right hand of himself !!?--(as stated in this biblical passage):

"So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God." [Mark 16:19]

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Ahmad wrote:
The new-testament turned the human Jesus into the new moon-god.
The circular sun = the father.
DA: OTHER RELIGION ALSO LOVE TO USE CIRCULAR OBJECT AS THEIR SYMBOL ALTHOUGH IT CAN BE SEMICIRCULAR, CREST.
The suns rays that light the moon = the Holy-Spirit.
DA: THE LIGHT FROM THE MOON IS THOUGHT TO BE FROM GOD. IN FACT IT IS A LIGHT FROM THE SUN REFLECTED BY THE MOON SO THEY USE THE SYMBOL OF MOON UNAWARE THAT THEY HAVE BEEN MISLED.
The son of God = the moon.
DA: NO WONDER, SOME USE THE MOON, CREST, AS THEIR SYMBOL.
The suns rays reach the moon and give it light, thus the moon begotten of the "Holy-Spirit".
DA: THEY THINK THAT THE MOON IS THE BEGOTTEN SON OF THE SUN.
New-Moon is the birth of the baby.
DA: THEY WILL OBSERVE THE YOUNGEST MOON PRIOR TO EATING DURING DAY TIME.
waining moon is it's death.
DA: THE DEATH OF THE THE MOON IS THE BEGINNING OF NEW LIFE. THAT IS THE END OF FASTING TIME.
the moon then rises to the right hand of the father (circular-sun).
DA: THAT IS WHERE THEY START TO EAT LIKE A GLUTTON.
"Jesus head was white" (the moon).
DA: JESUS IS TOO OLD TO HANDLE THE PROBLEM OF MANKIND.
The holy-spirit (suns-rays) can also touch any person on earth, if you recieve it.
DA: IT IS SPIRIT AND EVERYWHERE IN THE UNIVERSE. NO ONE CAN HIDE FROM IT.
So go to the beach !!
DA: GO AND HAVE A SUN BATHING.
How smart of the authors of the New-Testament to combine ancient moon worship with Jesus to create the Jesus-god and part of the trinity.
DA: I HOPE THEIR CERTS ARE STILL HANGING ON THE WALLS OF THE CHURCH TODAY.
It seems Christianity (moon worship) preceded Jesus by a few thousand years, before some smart aleks combined the two.
DA: AND MOHAMMAD FOLLOWED BLINDLY USING THE CREST AS HIS SYMBOL!

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[ King James ]-[ Rom:1:25 ]
"Who changed the truth of God into a lie,
and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator,
who is blessed for ever. Amen."
Not sure if your teacher did that!
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Sep 10, 2008
 
Here I come again with my SPAMS and LIES...I am 'JESUS IS' the famous christian Australian Queen of all LIES and SPAMS.

I had to change my nickname everyday because Topix keeps banning me and deleting my lies and trash I post here. I try now to use several names every day. I know it's a big humililation to me but I used to it.

As you already realized..I don't even bother to read my corrupt Bible because it's just a man-made book with unknow authors. It contains all kinds of false information, contradictions and crazy stuff.

I keep copying blindly from christian anti-Islam hatred websites and post their lies and trash here because my dark heart is full of blind hate towards the Great Islam. You must understand my motivations when you see the Islam is spreading all over the world while christianity is dying.

I'm not sorry for being a lunatic and dumb.

One more think about me: I am very evil and very depressed. I hate that priest who abused me when I was young. For this bleeding tragedy, MY PROZAC IS MY TRUE SAVIOUR!
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JESUS SAID:
Matthew 6:5-8 (New International Version)
6 "But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."
JESUS SAID NOTHING ABOUT CLEANSING BEFORE YOU PRAY, NOTHING ABOUT PLACING YOUR FOREHEAD ON THE GROUND, NOTHING ABOUT CHANTING "ALLAH AKBAR, ALLAHU AKBAR ASHADU AN LA ILAHA ILL ALLAH.....",
infact Jesus claimed it was Pagan to do so:
7 "And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him."
Now let us see how Jesus prayed, whether he prayed like a Muslim or communicated with God in a manner which directly opposes the teachings of Muhammad:
"Taking the five loaves and the two fish and LOOKING UP TO HEAVEN, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to his disciples to set before the people. He also divided the two fish among them all." Mark 6:41
"After Jesus said this, HE LOOKED TOWARD HEAVEN and prayed:‘FATHER, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. And now, FATHER, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.’" John 17:1-5
Clearly, Jesus is being a bad Muslim at this point since not only does he pray with his eyes open looking towards the sky, he even addresses God as his Father.
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JESUS IS = JESUS NOT MUSLIM !

Here I come again with my SPAMS and LIES...I am 'JESUS IS' the famous christian Australian Queen of all LIES and SPAMS.

I had to change my nickname everyday because Topix keeps banning me and deleting my lies and trash I post here (Check for yourself: You can not find any post by me before July 30, 2008!).

I try now to use several names every day. I know it's a big humiliation to me but I used to it.

I now hide under this deceiving nickname 'JESUS NOT MUSLIM'. Well, I know that Jesus is indeed a Muslim but I hate the truth.

As you already realized..I don't even bother to read my corrupt Bible because it's just a man-made book with unknown authors. It contains all kinds of false information, contradictions and crazy stuff.

I keep copying blindly from christian anti-Islam hatred websites and post their lies and trash here because my dark heart is full of blind hate towards the Great Islam. You must understand my motivations when you see the Islam is spreading all over the world while christianity is dying.

I'm not sorry for being a lunatic and dumb.

One more think about me: I am very evil and very depressed. I hate that priest who abused me when I was young. For this bleeding tragedy, MY PROZAC IS MY TRUE SAVIOUR!
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Sep 13, 2008
 
Thanks Christians in this forum for demonstrating the biblical true ethics!

Thanks for demonstrating to us how much you do NOT trust your Bible and how much you do not obey your biblical Jesus as he orders you in your own bible:

Jesus said:
"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;" [Matthew 5:44](KJV)

"Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." [1 Corinthians 6:10](KJV)

Then do not wonder why people in large masses are leaving the hypocritical christianity and never look back!

The pagan Christianity IS DYING!
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"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)
"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)
"Men are tempted [in this life] by the lure of women...far better is the return of God. Say:'Shall I tell you of better things than these, with which the righteous shall be rewarded by their Lord? Theirs shall be gardens watered by running streams, where they shall dwell for ever: wives of perfect chastity..." (Surah 3:14, 15)
"The only true faith in God's sight is Islam." (Surah 3:19)
"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people...They desire nothing but your ruin....You believe in the entire Book...When they meet you they say:'We, too, are believers.' But when alone, they bite their finger-tips with rage." (Surah 3:118, 119)
"If you should die or be slain in the cause of God, His forgiveness and His mercy would surely be better than all the riches..." (Surah 3:156-)
"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)
"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)
"The God will say:'Jesus, son of Mary, did you ever say to mankind 'Worship me and my mother as gods besides God?''Glory to You,'he will answer,'how could I ever say that to which I have no right?" (Surah 5:114-)
"Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons...he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home..." (Surah 8:12-)
"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)
"If you fear treachery from any of your allies, you may fairly retaliate by breaking off your treaty with them." (Surah 8:51-)
"...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)
"It ill becomes the idolaters [non-Muslims] to visit the mosques of God..." (Surah 9:17)
"Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:27-)
"It is He who has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true Faith [Islam] to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters [non-Muslims] may dislike it." (Surah 9:31-)
"If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-)
"Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home." (Surah 9:73)
"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)
"'How shall I bear a child,' she [Mary] answered,'when I am a virgin...?''Such is the will of the Lord,' he replied.'That is no difficult thing for Him...God forbid that He [God[ Himself should beget a son!...Those who say:'The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,' preach a monstrous falsehood..." (Surah 19:12-, 29-, 88)
"Fight for the cause of God with the devotion due to Him...He has given you the name of Muslims..." (Surah 22:78-)
"Blessed are the believers...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave-girls, for these are lawful to them)...These are the heirs of Paradise..." (Surah 23:1-5-)
"You shall not force your slave-girls into prostitution in order that you make money, if they wish to preserve their chastity." (Surah 24:33-)
"As for the faithful who do good works and believe what is revealed to Muhammad...He will forgive them their sins..." (Surah 47:1)
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Feb 16, 2011
 
There's but One God (without clones, duplicates or triads) and His name One, the one of Jesus or Yeshuah. Baptism into His name is required by the believer. See Acts 2:38; 4;10-12; 10:35-48, 16:15, 31-33; 18:8; 19:1-5; 22:16; Galatians 3:26-28; Romans 6:1-5; Mark 16:15-17; John 3:5; 10:9; 14:6; Titus 3:5; ect. Zechariah 14:9. The cause for Islam is the back slidden Roman Catholic church and her false doctrines. She is the Mother Harlot along with her protestant daughters. There's not one scripture that ppoints to a triad or trinity. But the religion of Muhammed is one of violence, lust and hatred towards all non believers. It's a deception spoken to him by an angel of darkness, pretending to be light (Gal 1:6-12 warns us all of this deception). I have been to the Middle East have seen their violence upon all (even their own). The religion is very biased and allows no debate. Women are seen little more than objects. There's not much else one can say about it other than nobody here would like to live under Sharia Law (it's like enforced fear-based customary laws that ensnare many to their own grief). Peace.

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JESUS IS MOSLIM wrote:
The Origins of the Trinity Doctrine!
The New Encyclopedia Britannica says:“Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament:‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’(Deut. 6:4).... The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies.... By the end of the 4th century ... the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropedia, Vol. X, p. 126.
According to the Catholics themselves....
The New Catholic Encyclopedia states:“The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.
John L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says:“The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—(New York, 1965), p. 899.
In The Encyclopedia Americana we read:“Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.
According to the Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel,“The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches.... This Greek philosopher’s [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity ... can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.”—(Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.
HO HO HO HO...YOU ARE TRYING TO DENY jESUS IS God.

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