The Origins of the Trinity Doctrine !...
JESUS IS MOSLIM

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#23 Aug 19, 2008
Truth Seeker 86 wrote:
Yes, you are right Moslim dude but while right in this thread, you are wrong in your belief of Allah and Muhammad.
Hi Truth Seeker. Do you want to debate me?

I can prove to you that ALLAH is the same God of Moses & Jesus (peace be upon them).

I can prove to you that prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was indeed the prophesized Promised Prophet in your own bible!

And
sally

Doncaster East, Australia

#29 Aug 20, 2008
SONG OF SOLOMON 5:16

"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem."

Muslims assert that since the word for "altogether lovely," machmad, can be translated as "praise" and that since Mohammad's name means "praised one" this is a prophecy of Mohammad. Although the word in this case is used as an adjective, it is claimed that this can be used as a noun. Thus, the rendering would be:

"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem."

Of course, such an exercise of interpreting an adjective as a noun is unwarranted. Furthermore, if we translate machmad consistently as "Mohammad" in other Biblical verses, we get some interesting renderings. Consider the following:

"Yet I will send my servants to thee tomorrow about this time, and they shall search thy house, and the houses of thy servants; and it shall be,[that] whatever is MUHAMMED in thy eyes, they shall take [it] in their hand, and carry [it] away." (I Kings 20:6)

"Our holy and our beautiful house, where our fathers praised thee, is burned up with fire: and all our MUHAMMED things are laid waste." (Isaiah 64:11)

"Son of Man, behold, I take away from thee the MUHAMMED of thine eyes with a stroke: yet neither shalt thou mourn nor weep, neither shall thy tears run down." (Ezekiel 24:16)

"Because ye have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples my goodly MUHAMMED things: The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border." (Joel 3:5-6)

CLEARLY 'MACHMAD' CAN NOT BE MUHAMMED!!!!!!
sally

Doncaster East, Australia

#30 Aug 20, 2008
MUHAMMED NOT COMFORTER

One reason that Muslim apologists use this verse with such fervency is because the word for "Comforter" in Greek, "Paracletos," is very similar in spelling to "Periklytos." "Periklytos" is Greek for "praised one" which is what the name, "Ahmed"(another name for Mohammad) means[12]. Muslims allege that the original text contained the latter word rather than the former. However, this is unfounded speculation because ALL manuscripts of the New Testament that we have today use the former spelling. This, of course, includes the many manuscripts that predate Mohammad's ministry. Christians would obviously have no polemical reason to corrupt the original spelling before Islam and Mohammad existed. It is also sometimes claimed that vowels were not part of the original text(like in the Hebrew Old Testament) and because of this, incorrect vowels were added by later scribes and this is the reason why we find "Paracletos" in the manuscripts rather than "Periklytos." However, this assertion is incorrect as, in fact, the vowels WOULD be included in the original text of ancient Greek.
mandy

Doncaster East, Australia

#31 Aug 20, 2008
JESUS IS MOSLIM wrote:
World's Oldest Bible Rejects The Resurrection!
LIAR!!!!!
FROM THE GOSPEL OF MATTHEW IN THE CODEX SINAITICUS, THE OLDEST BIBLE THAT MUSLIMS CLAIM SAYS NOTHING ABOUT THE RESURRECTION:

'6 he is not here; for he has risen as he said: Come, see the place where he lay.
7 And go quickly and tell his disciples that he has risen from the dead; and behold, he goes before you into Galilee: there you shall see him. Lo, I have told you.
8 And going away quickly from the sepulcher with fear and great joy, they ran to bring his disciples word.
9 And behold, Jesus met them, saying: Hail. And they came and laid hold of his feet, and worshipped him.
10 Then says Jesus to them: Fear not: go, tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.'

FROM THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JOHN IN THE OLDEST BIBLE:

'14 This was now the third time on which Jesus had manifested himself to the disciples, after he had risen from the dead.'
mandy

Doncaster East, Australia

#32 Aug 20, 2008
JESUS IS MOSLIM wrote:
The Origins of the Trinity Doctrine!
The New Encyclopedia Britannica says:“Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament,
YEAH YOU KNOW WHY IDIOT?????

BECAUSE 'TRINITY' WASN'T A WORD AT THE TIME!!!!!!!
It wasn't invented, it wouldn't have meant anything to anyone!!!!!!

The word 'Bible' doesn't appear in the Bible so are we to believe it doesn't exist?

GET A BRAIN!!!!!!!
JESUS IS MOSLIM

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#33 Aug 20, 2008
mandy wrote:
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YEAH YOU KNOW WHY IDIOT?????
BECAUSE 'TRINITY' WASN'T A WORD AT THE TIME!!!!!!!
It wasn't invented, it wouldn't have meant anything to anyone!!!!!!
The word 'Bible' doesn't appear in the Bible so are we to believe it doesn't exist?
GET A BRAIN!!!!!!!
It means you invented this pagan Trinity dogma. It means that what you call the Bible is a man-made book and NOT the Word of God.

Turn on your Brain!

BTW..Thanks for demonstrating to us how much you do NOT trust your Bible and how much you do not obey your biblical Jesus as he orders you in your own bible:
Jesus said:
"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;" [Matthew 5:44](KJV)
"Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." [1 Corinthians 6:10](KJV)
JESUS IS MOSLIM

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#36 Aug 20, 2008
Ideas of Paul's Christianity Borrowed from Mithra and Pagans !

A must watch documentary 9 minutes clip (from The Hidden Story of Jesus)

Watch it here


Paul and his followers borrowed beliefs from pagans and other religion, to win converts. He went against what Jesus taught while he was on earth, and preached his own version of it which contradict the message of Christ.

Compare what Jesus said about following the law and what Paul said concerning it.

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-19

Paul's dreams, however, have broken commandments right and left. There is so much of what Jesus did during his lifetime that his followers have now totally neglected, not because Jesus told them to break the commandments, but because Paul would later tell them to break them upon the authority of the visions he was receiving.

"For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a slave to all, that I might win the more. To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews; to those under the law I became as one under the law - though not being myself under the law - that I might win those under the law. To those outside the law I became as one outside the law - not being without law toward God but under the law of Christ - that I might win those outside the law. To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. I do it all for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings." (I Corinthians. 9:19-25)
JESUS IS MOSLIM

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#37 Aug 20, 2008
Here is a must read article in a jewish website stating and proving that Christians have indeed distorted and mistranslated the Old Testament (and its prophecies) to satisfy their desires:

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/jewsan...

Also, this from a Jewsih website discussing "Messiah : The Criteria"

Judge for yourself:

Did Jesus fulfill ALL these criteria?

The Jewish tradition of "The Messiah" has its foundation in numerous biblical references, and understands "The Messiah" to be a human being - without any overtone of deity or divinity - who will bring about certain changes in the world and fulfill certain criteria before he can be acknowledged as "The Messiah".

Here is the article "Was Jesus The Messiah?"
http://www.jewsforjudaism.com/jews-jesus/jews...
JESUS IS MOSLIM

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#38 Aug 20, 2008
Keep Your KIDS Away From The BIBLE!

Unless you do not care about their intelligence. Because if they are smart, then they will always seek intelligent answers to the following questions:

What about the Bible? Who actually wrote it?

What was the original language of the Bible?(Hebrew? Aramaic? Koine Greek?)
NOTE:- The Bible was never in English during the time of any prophet (not even Muhammad)- because English did not exist until after 1066 AD!

Does the Bible exist in the original form anywhere on earth?(No)

Why does the Catholic Bible has seven (7) more books than the Protestant Bible?

Why do these two Bibles have different versions of the same books?

Why are there so many mistakes and errors are from the very first verse right up to the very last verse?

Why do 'Born Again Christians' teach concepts that are not from the Bible?

There is no word "Trinity" in the Bible in any version of any language

The oldest forms of Christianity do not support the 'born again' beliefs

Jesus of the English Bible complains about the 'crucifixion'
("Eli! Eli! Lama sabachthani?- My God! My God! Why have You forsaken me?")[Mk 15:34]

How can Jesus be the "Only Begotten Son" of John 3:16? When in Psalms 2:7 David is God's "Begotten Son?"

Would a 'Just' God, a 'Fair' God, a 'Loving' God -- punish Jesus for the sins of the people that he called to follow him?

What happens to people who died before Jesus came?

What happens to those who never hear this message?

What about innocent children who die although their parents are not Christian?

Didn't God create Adam from dirt?-- So, why does he need Mary to make Jesus?

And what about God?
How can God create Himself?
How can God be a man?
How can a man be a God?
How can God have a son?
The Bible says "Seth (is) the son of Adam" and that"Adam is the son of God." [Lk 3:36]
Can't God just forgive us and not have to kill Jesus?
And what about Jesus?
Jesus did not even carry the cross -- Simon Cyre'ne, a passerby did![Mk 15:21]
Jesus of the Bible was NOT on the cross for longer than six (6) hours -- NOT three days --(from the 3rd to the 9th hour)[Mk 15:25 & 15:33]
Jesus of the Bible did not spend three days and nights in the tomb -- Friday night - until Sunday before dawn -- is not 3 days and nights!
Jesus DID NOT claim to be God - or even equal to God!
muHAMhead

Doncaster, Australia

#39 Aug 22, 2008
THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS

The first of the Dead Sea Scroll discoveries occurred in 1947 in Qumran, a village situated about twenty miles east of Jerusalem on the northwest shore of the Dead Sea. A young Bedouin shepherd, following a goat that had gone astray, tossed a rock into one of the caves along the seacliffs and heard a cracking sound: the rock had hit a ceramic pot containing leather and papyrus scrolls that were later determined to be nearly twenty centuries old. Ten years and many searches later, eleven caves around the Dead Sea were found to contain tens of thousands of scroll fragments dating from the third century B.C. to A.D. 68 and representing an estimated eight hundred separate works.
The scrolls are dramatic Evidence for the Reliability of Messianic Prophecy.

The Dead Sea Scrolls comprise the oldest group of Old Testament manuscripts ever found, dating back to 100--200 B.C. This is dramatic, because we now have absolute evidence that Messianic prophecies contained in today’s Old Testament (both Jewish and Christian) are the same Messianic prophecies that existed prior to the time Jesus walked on this earth. It goes without saying, manuscript reliability and textual criticism have taken cosmic steps forward! Check it out – There is no question that Jesus Christ was the Messiah that the Jews were waiting for!

We now have utmost confidence that the Old Testament (Jewish Tanakh) that we read today is the same as existed in 100 to 200 BC. This means that the over 300 Old Testament prophecies of the coming Messiah preexisted the birth of Jesus Christ. It's up to each of us to determine what to do with this reality!
muHAMhead

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#40 Aug 22, 2008
As you know me..I am the Australian Queen of Spam and Lies 'JESUS IS'.

I had to change my nickname to 'muHAMhead' because Topix keeps banning me and deleting my lies and trash I post here. I try now to use several names every day. I know it's a big humililation to me but I got used to it.

I am just posting lies and nonsense.
I never read my bible or what I post but I just blindly copy from deceiving christian anti-islam websites and post their lies and trash here.

Sorry for being a lunatic and dumb. I need to take my prozac twice a day.

“Jesus forgives..... ”

Since: May 08

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#41 Aug 22, 2008
JESUS IS MOSLIM wrote:
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Hi Truth Seeker. Do you want to debate me?
I can prove to you that ALLAH is the same God of Moses & Jesus (peace be upon them).
I can prove to you that prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was indeed the prophesized Promised Prophet in your own bible!
And
No wonder he ever married several women!
Wayne

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#42 Aug 22, 2008
Divine Alien wrote:
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No wonder he ever married several women!
Because he was a REAL MAN..not like you..SISSY.

I guess you must be either one of those GAY christian PRIESTS who rape children or one of their sissy victims!

Since: May 08

United States

#43 Aug 22, 2008
Wayne wrote:
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Because he was a REAL MAN..not like you..SISSY.
I guess you must be either one of those GAY christian PRIESTS who rape children or one of their sissy victims!
This is the cruelest thing I have heard you say!

Since we have a lot of people in here that just pat you on the head.

You really don't want me to be nothing BUT nicey nicey, lovey dovee do you? Because when you think I am not You cry FOUL!


Because out of a mans heart the mouth speaks! That goes for you and me!

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#44 Aug 22, 2008
Wayne wrote:
<quoted text>
Because he was a REAL MAN..not like you..SISSY.
I guess you must be either one of those GAY christian PRIESTS who rape children or one of their sissy victims!
Wayne: I don't understand this answer to DA. For those who HAVE been victims, and on their behalf, I need to tell you to stop it. This in no way honors Christ and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you truly want to.
Wayne

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#45 Aug 22, 2008
Stop this christian hypocrisy. It is quiet obvious that Divine Alien is a SISSY.

“Jesus forgives..... ”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#46 Aug 23, 2008
Please don't hate me so much for being a catholic. If I am not mistaken, Mohammad did have several wives/concubines. Some persons are really rotten in their hearts that they couldn't keep away from expressing their bad thoughts as a result of their foul hearts.

“Jesus forgives..... ”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#47 Aug 23, 2008
Wayne wrote:
Stop this christian hypocrisy. It is quiet obvious that Divine Alien is a SISSY.
Fouck your ass, Fake Wayne!
ALI

Banting, Malaysia

#48 Aug 23, 2008
Some silly people keep on shouting to Allah!

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#49 Aug 23, 2008
Wayne wrote:
Stop this christian hypocrisy. It is quiet obvious that Divine Alien is a SISSY.
Imposter go away - SHOO

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