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Johnny Trunk

Philadelphia, PA

#1 Jul 15, 2013
In the years following the Diet of Worms, the Reformation movement gained so much popular support that in 1526 the emperor granted each German state the right to choose its own form of religion, Lutheran or Roman Catholic. However, in 1529, when the emperor reversed the decision, some of the German princes protested; hence the name Protestant was coined for the Reformation movement.
little lamb

Australia

#2 Jul 15, 2013
It was first in Antioch that they were called christian by divine providence,,

Seeing DIVINE PROVIDENCE..means provided by God..best to stay with the name he provided us with.

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#3 Jul 15, 2013
little lamb wrote:
It was first in Antioch that they were called christian by divine providence,,
Seeing DIVINE PROVIDENCE..means provided by God..best to stay with the name he provided us with.
There weren't any Protestants in Antioch at that time. Those Christians were Catholics.
Johnny Trunk

Philadelphia, PA

#4 Jul 16, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>There weren't any Protestants in Antioch at that time. Those Christians were Catholics.
John>>

If those Christians were Catholics the word Catholic would be in the Bible!!!

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#5 Jul 16, 2013
Johnny Trunk wrote:
<quoted text>
John>>
If those Christians were Catholics the word Catholic would be in the Bible!!!
That has got to be one of the lamest comments fundies make, dear.
Do try again.

There are lots of words that are connected with church/faith that are not in the Bible.

Trinity is one.
The word Bible is not in the Bible.
Also:
Christianity
omnipresence
Atheism
Divinity
Incarnation
Monotheism
Rapture
Johnny Trunk

Philadelphia, PA

#6 Jul 16, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>That has got to be one of the lamest comments fundies make, dear.
Do try again.
There are lots of words that are connected with church/faith that are not in the Bible.
Trinity is one.
The word Bible is not in the Bible.
Also:
Christianity
omnipresence
Atheism
Divinity
Incarnation
Monotheism
Rapture
John>>

Facts are the Catholic church did not come about until the 4th century only the catholic church claims the first century disciples were catholic.
Johnny Trunk

Philadelphia, PA

#7 Jul 16, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>That has got to be one of the lamest comments fundies make, dear.
Do try again.
There are lots of words that are connected with church/faith that are not in the Bible.
Trinity is one.
The word Bible is not in the Bible.
Also:
Christianity
omnipresence
Atheism
Divinity
Incarnation
Monotheism
Rapture
John>>

Trinity =3 Gods

(1) God the Father
(2) God the Son
(3) God the Holy Spirit
----------
Makes 3 Gods

Deuteronomy 6:4
Darby Translation (DARBY)
4 Hear, Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah;

Ephesians 4:6
Darby Translation (DARBY)
6 one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in us all.

Malachi 2:10
Darby Translation (DARBY)
10 Have we not all one father? Hath not one ùGod created us?

1 Corinthians 8:6
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#8 Jul 16, 2013
Johnny Trunk wrote:
<quoted text>
John>>
Facts are the Catholic church did not come about until the 4th century only the catholic church claims the first century disciples were catholic.
The Catholic Church started when Jesus founded it and appointed Peter as its first leader.
What you are really saying is that Christians could not openly practice their faith until the 4th century in fear of being persecuted BECAUSE they were Christians.
The Catholic faith was alive and thriving for four centuries up until this point.
BTW: all Christians during that time and up till the Reformation were Catholic.

Also, btw:
The word Protestant is not in the Bible.

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#9 Jul 16, 2013
Johnny Trunk wrote:
<quoted text>
John>>
Trinity =3 Gods
(1) God the Father
(2) God the Son
(3) God the Holy Spirit
----------
Makes 3 Gods
Deuteronomy 6:4
Darby Translation (DARBY)
4 Hear, Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah;
Ephesians 4:6
Darby Translation (DARBY)
6 one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in us all.
Malachi 2:10
Darby Translation (DARBY)
10 Have we not all one father? Hath not one ùGod created us?
1 Corinthians 8:6
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.
Jehovah's Witnesses is a millenarian restorationist Christian denomination with nontrinitarian beliefs distinct from mainstream Christianity.[2] The organization reports worldwide membership of over 7.78 million adherents involved in evangelism,[3] convention attendance of over 12 million, and annual Memorial attendance of over 19 million.[4][5] They are directed by the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, a group of elders in Brooklyn, New York, that establishes all doctrines.[6][7][8] Jehovah's Witnesses' beliefs are based on their interpretations of the Bible[9][10] and they prefer to use their own translation, the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures.[11][12][13][14] They believe that the destruction of the present world system at Armageddon is imminent, and that the establishment of God's kingdom on earth is the only solution for all problems faced by mankind.[15]

The group emerged from the Bible Student movementfounded in the late 1870s by Charles Taze Russell with the formation of Zion's Watch Tower Tract Societywith significant organizational and doctrinal changes under the leadership of Joseph Franklin Rutherford.[16][17]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witn...

Well, now I know how old your church is.
My church is over 2,000 years old.
Johnny Trunk

Philadelphia, PA

#10 Jul 16, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>The Catholic Church started when Jesus founded it and appointed Peter as its first leader.
What you are really saying is that Christians could not openly practice their faith until the 4th century in fear of being persecuted BECAUSE they were Christians.
The Catholic faith was alive and thriving for four centuries up until this point.
BTW: all Christians during that time and up till the Reformation were Catholic.
Also, btw:
The word Protestant is not in the Bible.
John>>

all that you said is just a Catholic cry.

the disciples in the first century were Christians not Catholics.

Acts 11:26
Darby Translation (DARBY)
26 And having found [him], he brought him to Antioch. And so it was with them that for a whole year they were gathered together in the assembly and taught a large crowd: and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#11 Jul 16, 2013
Johnny Trunk wrote:
<quoted text>
John>>
all that you said is just a Catholic cry.
the disciples in the first century were Christians not Catholics.
Acts 11:26
Darby Translation (DARBY)
26 And having found [him], he brought him to Antioch. And so it was with them that for a whole year they were gathered together in the assembly and taught a large crowd: and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.
FYI:

Pagan Influence Fallacy

Opponents of the Church often attempt to discredit Catholicism by attempting to show similarities between it and the beliefs or practices of ancient paganism. This fallacy is frequently committed by Fundamentalists against Catholics, by Seventh-day Adventists, Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons, and others against both Protestants and Catholics, and by atheists and skeptics against both Christians and Jews.

The nineteenth century witnessed a flowering of this "pagan influence fallacy." Publications such as The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop (the classic English text charging the Catholic Church with paganism) paved the way for generations of antagonism towards the Church. During this time, entire new sects were created (Seventh-day Adventists, Mormons, Jehovahs Witnesses)all considering traditional Catholicism and Protestantism as polluted by paganism. This era also saw atheistic "freethinkers" such as Robert Ingersoll writing books attacking Christianity and Judaism as pagan.

The pagan influence fallacy has not gone away in the twentieth century, but newer archaeology and more mature scholarship have diminished its influence. Yet there are still many committing it. In Protestant circles, numerous works have continued to popularize the claims of Alexander Hislop, most notably the comic books of Jack Chick and the book Babylon Mystery Religion by the young Ralph Woodrow (later Woodrow realized its flaws and wrote The Babylon Connection? repudiating it and refuting Hislop). Other Christian and quasi-Christian sects have continued to charge mainstream Christianity with paganism, and many atheists have continued to repeatunquestionedthe charges of paganism leveled by their forebears.
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/is-catholicism...

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#12 Jul 16, 2013
Johnny Trunk wrote:
<quoted text>
John>>
all that you said is just a Catholic cry.
the disciples in the first century were Christians not Catholics.
Acts 11:26
Darby Translation (DARBY)
26 And having found [him], he brought him to Antioch. And so it was with them that for a whole year they were gathered together in the assembly and taught a large crowd: and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.
Among all the Christian churches, only the Catholic Church has existed since the time of Jesus. Every other Christian church is an offshoot of the Catholic Church. The Eastern Orthodox churches broke away from unity with the pope in 1054. The Protestant churches were established during the Reformation, which began in 1517.(Most of today's Protestant churches are actually offshoots of the original Protestant offshoots.)

Only the Catholic Church existed in the tenth century, in the fifth century, and in the first century, faithfully teaching the doctrines given by Christ to the apostles, omitting nothing. The line of popes can be traced back, in unbroken succession, to Peter himself. This is unequaled by any institution in history.

Even the oldest government is new compared to the papacy, and the churches to which door-to-door missionaries belong are young compared to the Catholic Church. Many of these churches began as recently as the nineteenth or twentieth centuries. None of them can claim to be the Church Jesus established.

The Catholic Church has existed for nearly 2,000 years, despite constant opposition from the world. This is testimony to the Church's divine origin. It must be more than a merely human organization, especially considering that its human memberseven some of its leadershave been unwise, corrupt, or prone to heresy.
http://www.ewtn.com/library/answers/pillar.ht...

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#13 Jul 16, 2013
Johnny Trunk wrote:
<quoted text>
John>>
all that you said is just a Catholic cry.
the disciples in the first century were Christians not Catholics.
Acts 11:26
Darby Translation (DARBY)
26 And having found [him], he brought him to Antioch. And so it was with them that for a whole year they were gathered together in the assembly and taught a large crowd: and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.
The Church is Catholic

Jesus' Church is called catholic ("universal" in Greek) because it is his gift to all people. He told his apostles to go throughout the world and make disciples of "all nations" (Matt. 28:19-20). For 2,000 years the Catholic Church has carried out this mission, preaching the good news that Christ died for all men and that he wants all of us to be members of his universal family (Gal. 3:28). Today the Catholic Church is found in every country of the world and is still sending out missionaries to "make disciples of all nations" (Matt. 28:19).

The Church Jesus established was known by its most common title, "the Catholic Church," at least as early as the year 107, when Ignatius of Antioch used that title to describe the one Church Jesus founded. The title apparently was old in Ignatius's time, which means it may go back to the time of the apostles.

The Church is Apostolic

The Church Jesus founded is apostolic because he appointed the apostles to be the first leaders of the Church, and their successors were to be its future leaders. The apostles were the first bishops, and, since the first century, there has been an unbroken line of Catholic bishops faithfully handing on what the apostles taught the first Christians in Scripture and oral Tradition (Acts 1:15-26, 2 Tim. 2:2).

These beliefs include the bodily Resurrection of Jesus, the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, the sacrificial nature of the Mass, the forgiveness of sins through a priest, baptismal regeneration, the existence of purgatory, Mary's special role, and much elseeven the doctrine of apostolic succession itself. Early Christian writings prove the first Christians were thoroughly Catholic in belief and practice and looked to the successors of the apostles as their leaders. What these first Christians believed is still believed by the Catholic Church. No other church can make this claim.
http://www.ewtn.com/library/answers/pillar.ht...

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#14 Jul 16, 2013
Johnny Trunk wrote:
<quoted text>
John>>
all that you said is just a Catholic cry.
the disciples in the first century were Christians not Catholics.
Acts 11:26
Darby Translation (DARBY)
26 And having found [him], he brought him to Antioch. And so it was with them that for a whole year they were gathered together in the assembly and taught a large crowd: and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.
Was the Catholic Church the first church established?

In: Catholicism

Answer:
Catholic Answer

Yes, the Catholic Church was considered to have been born from the side of Christ when the soldier opened his side with a lance and blood and water flowed out. It was formally started at Pentecost, fifty days later, when the Holy Spirit descended on the apostles to confirm them in all truth and lead them to preach to and baptize all nations.

Answer

The church established by Jesus Christ did not have a "name" such as "catholic", "baptist", "Methodist", etc. The followers were simply called "Christians".

Answer

The Christian Church was established by the Apostles around 33 A.D. The Apostles spread around the world to preach Christianity, and became the first Patriarchs of the Christian Church in Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, Rome and Constantinople. And so the Grace of the Holy Spirit passed from the Apostles to each new Patriarch after the Apostles died. All five Patriarchs (Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, Rome and Constantinople) formed the New Testament and held councils to decide different issues in the Church. But around 1054 the Patriarch of Rome changed the words of the Nicean Creed and declared that he had power over all of the other Patriarchs. When he was not recognized as the supreme leader, he excommunicated the Patriarch of Constantinople. Immediately the Patriarch of Constantinople called together the Patriarchs of Jerusalem, Antioch, and Alexandria, and they all agreed to excommunicate the Patriarch of Rome. The Patriarch of Rome lost the Grace of the Holy Spirit and broke off to make his own Church, the Roman Catholic Church. The other Patriarchs stayed true and united to the True Church of Christ and later came to be known as the Eastern Orthodox Church. Therefore, the Eastern Orthodox Church is the first church that stays true to the teachings of Christ.

Answer
Christians were first called so at Antioch, which is currently in Turkey (Antakya), but the Christian church really began at Pentecost in Jerusalem. The church of Rome only came to its current position much later, especially after Constantine in 300 AD.
Acts 11:26 (King James Version): And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_the_Catholic_Ch...
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#15 Jul 17, 2013
Most Christians do not know the history of their belief system. The first Christians were called Ebionites (the poor ones) and they followed the Jewish Torah (law) and customs. That changed when Paul found it difficult to get his Gentile converts to be circumcised and argued with Peter about it. Jewish Christians that refused to accept this were labeled Judaisers.

Christianity, or one would rather say Christianities, of the second and third centuries were a highly variegated phenomenon. We really can't imagine Christianity as a unified coherent religious movement.- Holland Lee Hendrix, president of the faculty and the Henry Sloan Coffin Professor of Divinity at Union Theological Seminary and previously taught at MIT, the Harvard Divinity School, Haverford College, and Barnard College

Christianity was divided into many different sects including the Montanists, the Arians, the Monarchianists, the Sethians, the Valentinians, the Manicheans, etc. until the decree of Roman Emperor Theodosius I which made all beliefs contrary to those determined by the First Council of Nicaea heresies.

In 380, Nicene Christianity was declared the state religion of the Roman Empire, with the name "Catholic Christians" reserved for those who accepted that faith.- Robert Wilken, Ph.D., Distinguished Fellow of the St. Paul Center for Biblical Theology, William R. Kenan, Jr. Professor of the History of Christianity at the University of Virginia

The word catholic means all-inclusive or useful to all or universal. The Roman Emperor Constantine called the First Council of Nicaea because wanted to use Christianity as a tool to unite the empire under his rule. All present day Protestant denominations owe most of their beliefs to the First Council of Nicaea in 325 CE and the Edict of Thessalonica in 380 CE.

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#16 Jul 17, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>There weren't any Protestants in Antioch at that time. Those Christians were Catholics.
LOL!

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#17 Jul 17, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>The Catholic Church started when Jesus founded it and appointed Peter as its first leader.
What you are really saying is that Christians could not openly practice their faith until the 4th century in fear of being persecuted BECAUSE they were Christians.
The Catholic faith was alive and thriving for four centuries up until this point.
BTW: all Christians during that time and up till the Reformation were Catholic.
Also, btw:
The word Protestant is not in the Bible.
How many NT Books did Peter write? 2. How many did Paul write? 13. Pretty lopsided.
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#18 Jul 17, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!
God told me this about YOU.

None of your children are in church.

They are all backsliders.

They are all going to hell.

YOU never preach are talk to them about church or God.

If YOU did they would not have anything to do with YOU.

So as GOD can see...

YOU come here every day and pronounce hell on all your

brothers and sisters...

but never ever say a word to YOUR own children who are

going to hell. AND YOU ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR ALL OF THEM.

lol

lol

lol

lol

Now that is excellent.

Not only are all your children are

not in church...

neither are YOU.

lol

lol

lol

YOU silly retarded demon possessed idiot.

lol

lol

Now that is excellent.

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#19 Jul 17, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
God told me this about YOU.
None of your children are in church.
They are all backsliders.
They are all going to hell.
YOU never preach are talk to them about church or God.
If YOU did they would not have anything to do with YOU.
So as GOD can see...
YOU come here every day and pronounce hell on all your
brothers and sisters...
but never ever say a word to YOUR own children who are
going to hell. AND YOU ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR ALL OF THEM.
lol
lol
lol
lol
Now that is excellent.
Not only are all your children are
not in church...
neither are YOU.
lol
lol
lol
YOU silly retarded demon possessed idiot.
lol
lol
Now that is excellent.
Thus said 'legion'.
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#20 Jul 17, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
<quoted text>
Thus said 'legion'.
God told me this about YOU.

None of your children are in church.

They are all backsliders.

They are all going to hell.

YOU never preach are talk to them about church or God.

If YOU did they would not have anything to do with YOU.

So as GOD can see...

YOU come here every day and pronounce hell on all your

brothers and sisters...

but never ever say a word to YOUR own children who are

going to hell. AND YOU ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR ALL OF THEM.

lol

lol

lol

lol

Now that is excellent.

Not only are all your children are

not in church...

neither are YOU.

lol

lol

lol

YOU silly retarded demon possessed idiot.

lol

lol

Now that is excellent.

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