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Punisher

Mount Vernon, NY

#102 Mar 23, 2013
cvor wrote:
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xtianity claims that someone was a god - therefore it is a spiritual belief system. Many believers around the world are indoctrinated and are "Christians" before even reading the bible. Faith - by definition - requires no hard work to sustain. Some are just brain dead and accept what is presented to them or gravitate to what appeals to them. Work is not required for a great many. I don't see myself believing in Santa ------ no amount of "work" is going to do that.
Your reading comprehension is weak. Now you're simply on my back (trying to) for the sake of it...

The other poster was talking about Xtianity/Xtians being spiritual people, I was refuting it, as not much of Xtianity (as practiced) is based on doing what most of us perceive as actual Spiritual work. Like delving inwards and noodling around inside "ourselves" and correcting our less than positive tendencies. Like what Buddhism and the more inward diving systems promote...that the world is not the problem - you are! Do no harm, clean your own house, turn the other cheek, dont fight fire with fire, etc...

Which is not what we see Xtianity/Xtians doing thru history. Xtianity has been more about Accuse and Attack. See others as in the way of Your Personal spiritual journey, and get them right first, or move them out of the way - so that now You (not you specifically) can now be a better Xtian.

They wish to pull an empty cart, which is not what Jesus taught. Its not the core of his messages...which were more about pulling a fully laden cart, and being a better horse for the pulling.

Q; have you actually read the Bible, or merely read about it? Cause I've read it several times, backwards and forwards...but I still dont believe in the mumbo-jumbo, magic in it, but do know there are some very good pointers in it. All the mumbo-jumbo is another matter, another discussion...

Like I said, gotta go...
Punisher

Mount Vernon, NY

#103 Mar 23, 2013
Punisher wrote:
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Okay explain how Xtianity IS a real spiritual belief system? Having and maintaining Faith is not about hearing, or any of the physical senses. Its about doing some serious personal work. Deep and serious PERSONAL work.
I see no sort of spiritual work being done by American Xtians, in fact, the system denigrates people who seek to do real spiritual work, but instead is a system that condones accusations and insults aimed towards people who dont pledge allegiance to calling themselves a Xtian, and a Born-again one at that.
Where's the deep and long introspection of the American Xtian? Why is it that nearly every Xtian who claims being Born-again on a Friday is out on Monday pointing fingers at others for not being a True Xtian? Two, three days in (sometimes less) and these idiots are spiritual masters already? Its like instant oatmeal I guess.
Faith is not merely a claim (as you rightly say) but something that involves a LOT OF WORK, and most of its PERSONAL work, not what we see from American Xtians - which is more about accusing everyone around them for getting in their way of being a better Xtian. American Xtianity is the same as when someone decides to dress better and upgrades their wardrobe (but shops at the "pricey racks" at walmart)...'cept American Xtians dont even do that by the looks of what comes and goes from the Churches these days (I dress better when I work on the house than what I see most Xtians going to Church in...)
American Xtianity is all about making claims and appearances and trying to vilify and attack others - and has zero to do with the claimant improving their own spiritual life. Most American Xtians wouldnt know what spiritual work was if it bit them on the face, between them shoveling in yet more of their favorite junk food.
Look jacka/s...maybe try and contribute, and not steal from others.

You're a POE, and a troll and a bad version of both.

Your location dancing is not impressing anyone...
Punisher

Mount Vernon, NY

#104 Mar 23, 2013
cvor wrote:
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I consider them just as fictional as your bible...and you have not proven Jesus being god is more supported than 32nd dimensional fairies. Yo just haven't done it! You don't have to prove anything.......but your failure to indicates you have faith in a set of documents that have no evidence of being valid and assert things not proven to be possible. It's not a rational belief...but you don't have to prove it......and I don't have to prove the 32nd dimensional fairy exists.
Both are just as objectively ridiculous without proof. I can write down my neighbor is god and people can believe that in 2000 years. Big deal. There is no proof that anything supernatural exists....you can write until you are blue in the face....
Uh, not my Bible. I'm not a xtian, not a theist in any shape or manner.

I'm a full-out atheist...but that wont stop me from arguing with the same...I have no allegiance to other atheists. I listen to none of them, nor need them to guide me...I'm not a herd animal.

Since: Mar 13

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#105 Mar 23, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Your reading comprehension is weak. Now you're simply on my back (trying to) for the sake of it...
The other poster was talking about Xtianity/Xtians being spiritual people, I was refuting it, as not much of Xtianity (as practiced) is based on doing what most of us perceive as actual Spiritual work. Like delving inwards and noodling around inside "ourselves" and correcting our less than positive tendencies. Like what Buddhism and the more inward diving systems promote...that the world is not the problem - you are! Do no harm, clean your own house, turn the other cheek, dont fight fire with fire, etc...
Which is not what we see Xtianity/Xtians doing thru history. Xtianity has been more about Accuse and Attack. See others as in the way of Your Personal spiritual journey, and get them right first, or move them out of the way - so that now You (not you specifically) can now be a better Xtian.
They wish to pull an empty cart, which is not what Jesus taught. Its not the core of his messages...which were more about pulling a fully laden cart, and being a better horse for the pulling.
Q; have you actually read the Bible, or merely read about it? Cause I've read it several times, backwards and forwards...but I still dont believe in the mumbo-jumbo, magic in it, but do know there are some very good pointers in it. All the mumbo-jumbo is another matter, another discussion...
Like I said, gotta go...
Once you assert your claim is accurate I will address it seriously. I simply don't acknowledge it as true and didn't feel like entertaining you. What statistics do you have to base your observations of american christians on. You sound lie a racist generalizing about certain ethnic groups. Sorry-- I'm not going to agree with you as you declare spiritual superiority over an entire country.

Christianity =_________

A good Christian is __________

A spiritual Christian is __________

A true Christian is __________

All a matter of belief and opinion. Me not blowing smoke up your rectum is not a matter of fault.
Punisher

Mount Vernon, NY

#106 Mar 23, 2013
cvor wrote:
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This is unreasonable because you make positive assertions that have no proof of being possible and tried justifying this approach. You didn't justify it. You haven't accepted your belief is baseless and you are lashing out because you don't want to confront the objective reality of your claims. You pick and choose which baseless assertions are ok and not ok.
Easter Bunny - not OK
Santa - not ok
32nd dimensional fairy - not ok
Jesus being god - OK
Yet you provide no valid proof to elevate your claim from the group. It would frustrate me to if I were you.....but then again - I am not you.... I don't have selective standards like this and don't think my position is something that it isn't...so I don't have to scramble and make up things to present it as something it isn't.
You have been given the opportunity to provide proof to elevate your claim and justify your idea that not disproving something has validity. YOu failed and showed how you have selective standards.
Gotta go...

But what positive assertions are not possible? Can not a man/woman maybe turn a non-interested party to them? Whats not possible?

A believer need not disprove a KNOWN fictional character to support their belief in their God. Its a fictional character...that a few adult-adolescent leaning morons like to LARP around doesnt change the fiction.

You keep making the assertion that they have to, support it.!!

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#107 Mar 23, 2013
Punisher wrote:
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Q; have you actually read the Bible, or merely read about it? Cause I've read it several times, backwards and forwards...but I still dont believe in the mumbo-jumbo, magic in it, but do know there are some very good pointers in it. All the mumbo-jumbo is another matter, another discussion...
Like I said, gotta go...
yup -- as with any book - you can get insight. There are many things in the bible that are just reminders of how primitive and ignorant people were and still are today because they try and uphold it
Punisher

Mount Vernon, NY

#108 Mar 23, 2013
cvor wrote:
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This is unreasonable because you make positive assertions that have no proof of being possible and tried justifying this approach. You didn't justify it. You haven't accepted your belief is baseless and you are lashing out because you don't want to confront the objective reality of your claims. You pick and choose which baseless assertions are ok and not ok.
Easter Bunny - not OK
Santa - not ok
32nd dimensional fairy - not ok
Jesus being god - OK
Yet you provide no valid proof to elevate your claim from the group. It would frustrate me to if I were you.....but then again - I am not you.... I don't have selective standards like this and don't think my position is something that it isn't...so I don't have to scramble and make up things to present it as something it isn't.
You have been given the opportunity to provide proof to elevate your claim and justify your idea that not disproving something has validity. YOu failed and showed how you have selective standards.
Where did I say Jesus = God, ok.???

All I did say was Jesus was a real human, a real man. Not a real God. Its you with the poor reading comprehension, not me.

Im an atheist. Simply not a fan of your methods, and/or arguments.

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#109 Mar 23, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Where did I say Jesus = God, ok.???
All I did say was Jesus was a real human, a real man. Not a real God. Its you with the poor reading comprehension, not me.
Im an atheist. Simply not a fan of your methods, and/or arguments.
I agree he was human. You may not be a fan of my methods but you have not demonstrated how they are incorrect. You can be atheist or whatever but you challenged my logic in relation to the arguments on a christian message board...

Very good..u have an opinion and like/dislike. want a lollipop?

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#110 Mar 23, 2013
cvor wrote:
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That is not correct.
You have made a positive assertion that something exists. I will await as you prove it.
We will see how you respond.
YOU made the 'ass-ertion' that YOU were god...I asked you to 'prove' it...you whined and deflected...

NO response needed...

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#111 Mar 23, 2013
Too many 'ass'ertions here for me...can't take it...
little lamb

Australia

#113 Mar 23, 2013
Punisher wrote:
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1. Uh, you cant do one without the other...when you defend this faith in the Xtian God, you are also defending Xtianity...and vice versa. You can not - so dont try - to separate the two...which are not really two.
2. Sounds like a God-hood...not a one God thing. God is concerned that you are obedient and faithful to JC, over himself?
Plus the God is making you, rather "putting you right"...you're not doing it of your own accord...?
What should I surmise here...? That you dont actually fully comprehend your own Religion, or you have a poor grasp on your language and cant keep things straight...or both?
What if a person is a little shaky on the JC stuff, but believes in "The God"...? Did "The God" ever pronounce a prerequisite to get right with him that involved JC?
Surmise all what you like.

it is Paul who says

" so neither is he who plants anything and neither that waters but God who makes it grow.'

its your understanding of Christianity that is at odds with what it is all about..

" but you are a chosen race , a royal priesthood , a holy nation , a people for special possession , that we should declare abroad the excellencies of the one that called us , out of darkness into the wonderful light."
OKAY

Houston, TX

#114 Mar 24, 2013
cvor wrote:
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how is it that me classifying what people here do repeatedly - like an addiction - is being brought up as the issue?
There are multitudes of baseless statements and assertions set forth by your group.....and you seem to think you can declare things as fact that aren't and advance the discussion. Doens't work that way.
Well -- if you didn't have a baseless assertion to start with I guess we wouldn't be here......
You make 'assertions' on things you don't understand.

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