Who or what is the Son of Man

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Veronica

Málaga, Spain

#1 Feb 23, 2014
Gen 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen:1-28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Gen 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Gen 2;8
And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Gen 1 is about creating Man and Gen 2 is about forming Man.

Daniel 7:13
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him

Daniel 7:14
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

God calls  Ezekiel Son of Man commencing from 2:3

Son of man is to be found in:
Num 23:19
Job 25:6/ 38:8
Psa 8:4/80:17/144:3/146:3
Isa 51:12/56:2
Jer 49:18/49:33/50:40/51:43

All seems to have different meanings about the Son of Man

So who or what is the Son of Man or for that matter who or what is Man?

Need help in understanding this.

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#2 Feb 23, 2014
Veronica wrote:
Gen 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen:1-28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Gen 2;8
And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Gen 1 is about creating Man and Gen 2 is about forming Man.
Daniel 7:13
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him
Daniel 7:14
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
God calls  Ezekiel Son of Man commencing from 2:3
Son of man is to be found in:
Num 23:19
Job 25:6/ 38:8
Psa 8:4/80:17/144:3/146:3
Isa 51:12/56:2
Jer 49:18/49:33/50:40/51:43
All seems to have different meanings about the Son of Man
So who or what is the Son of Man or for that matter who or what is Man?
Need help in understanding this.
Hi Veronica,

It's been a long time, so good to see you!

Son of man (Christianity)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Son of man is an expression in the sayings of Jesus in Christian writings, including the Gospels. The meaning of the expression is controversial. Interpretation of the use of "the Son of man" in the New Testament has remained challenging and after 150 years of debate no consensus on the issue has emerged among scholars.[1][2]

The expression "the Son of man" appears 81 times in the Koine Greek of the four Gospels: thirty times in Matthew, 14 times in Mark, twenty five times in Luke and 12 times in John.[8][3] However, the use of the definite article in "the Son of man" is novel, and before its use in the Canonical gospels, there are no records of its use in any of the surviving Greek documents of antiquity.[3]

Geza Vermes has stated that "the son of man" in the New Testament is unrelated to Hebrew Bible usages. Vermes begins with the observation that there is no example of "the" son of man in Hebrew sources and suggests that the term originates in Aramaic — בר&#15 04;ש - bar nash/bar nasha.[5] He concludes that in these sources "Son of man" is a regular expression for man in general and often serves as an indefinite pronoun and in none of the extant texts does "son of man" figure as a title.[5]

Since: Nov 13

United States

#3 Feb 24, 2014
Veronica wrote:
Gen 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen:1-28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Gen 2;8
And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Gen 1 is about creating Man and Gen 2 is about forming Man.
Daniel 7:13
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him
Daniel 7:14
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
God calls  Ezekiel Son of Man commencing from 2:3
Son of man is to be found in:
Num 23:19
Job 25:6/ 38:8
Psa 8:4/80:17/144:3/146:3
Isa 51:12/56:2
Jer 49:18/49:33/50:40/51:43
All seems to have different meanings about the Son of Man
So who or what is the Son of Man or for that matter who or what is Man?
Need help in understanding this.
It all sounds symbolic of not the Son but the SUN.There is much evidence that Christinaity is basically a Sun worshipping religion. They just turned the Sun into a godman.
Veronica

Málaga, Spain

#4 Feb 24, 2014
Seentheotherside wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi Veronica,
It's been a long time, so good to see you!
Son of man (Christianity)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Son of man is an expression in the sayings of Jesus in Christian writings, including the Gospels. The meaning of the expression is controversial. Interpretation of the use of "the Son of man" in the New Testament has remained challenging and after 150 years of debate no consensus on the issue has emerged among scholars.[1][2]
The expression "the Son of man" appears 81 times in the Koine Greek of the four Gospels: thirty times in Matthew, 14 times in Mark, twenty five times in Luke and 12 times in John.[8][3] However, the use of the definite article in "the Son of man" is novel, and before its use in the Canonical gospels, there are no records of its use in any of the surviving Greek documents of antiquity.[3]
Geza Vermes has stated that "the son of man" in the New Testament is unrelated to Hebrew Bible usages. Vermes begins with the observation that there is no example of "the" son of man in Hebrew sources and suggests that the term originates in Aramaic — &#1489;&#1512;&#15 04;&#1513; - bar nash/bar nasha.[5] He concludes that in these sources "Son of man" is a regular expression for man in general and often serves as an indefinite pronoun and in none of the extant texts does "son of man" figure as a title.[5]
Sweetheart, you've remembered me, I am pleasantly surprise, its been years since we last communicated. How are you these days? Is Zazan/ Little Tree still around ? I am having a re-read of The Stellar Man- Natural Law and Sovereignty and in it is mentioned that we should consider the expression Son of Man carefully, hence my question.

Yes Jesus is considered Son of Man and I am aware at times the word Man refers to the Human race however In Gen 1, A man is created male/female and in Gen 2 a Man is formed. So I am wondering if the created man (the male/female) is the one that did the forming of the man mentioned in Gen 2, that would make the Gen 1 Man, Yahweh. Thanks for the info
Veronica

Málaga, Spain

#5 Feb 24, 2014
Truthseeker007 wrote:
<quoted text>
It all sounds symbolic of not the Son but the SUN.There is much evidence that Christinaity is basically a Sun worshipping religion. They just turned the Sun into a godman.
There's much a-do about the Sun/Son, although if it is about the Sun it should be the Sun/Son of the Earth and not Man. Man is just one of the species on the planet. I must say I had enjoyed your answer on another thread, now I don't know which, but you had written that God had done horrible things not Satan which is a fact.

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#6 Feb 24, 2014
Veronica wrote:
<quoted text>
Sweetheart, you've remembered me, I am pleasantly surprise, its been years since we last communicated. How are you these days? Is Zazan/ Little Tree still around ? I am having a re-read of The Stellar Man- Natural Law and Sovereignty and in it is mentioned that we should consider the expression Son of Man carefully, hence my question.
Yes Jesus is considered Son of Man and I am aware at times the word Man refers to the Human race however In Gen 1, A man is created male/female and in Gen 2 a Man is formed. So I am wondering if the created man (the male/female) is the one that did the forming of the man mentioned in Gen 2, that would make the Gen 1 Man, Yahweh. Thanks for the info
How can I forget you?

You are one of the most intelligent people I've come across on Topix.

I am retired now, so have a new life.

Zazen finally went away, as far as I know. At least I haven't come across any poster preaching his message. So I doubt he has tried any new IDs.

I copied in that material to point out that if the scholars cannot agree what it means, it's anybody's guess.

And mine would be that it's either an expression, who's meaning has been lost thru time, Or given all the changes made to the various scriptures to create the Jesus myth from other pagan writings, and had to be hand scribed with each revision, maybe was suppose to say "son of God", and some passages got messed up along the way, and like all the other massive amounts of flaws/errors, stayed in when the printing press was invented.

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#7 Feb 24, 2014
Truthseeker007 wrote:
<quoted text>
It all sounds symbolic of not the Son but the SUN.There is much evidence that Christinaity is basically a Sun worshipping religion. They just turned the Sun into a godman.
The Messiah is called both son and sun. It's a pun in English and doesn't mean male when applied to the Messiah. "Son of man" simply means a person. Sort of like almah Isaiah 7:14 means young woman but it's translated as virgin.

Since: Nov 13

United States

#9 Feb 24, 2014
Veronica wrote:
<quoted text> There's much a-do about the Sun/Son, although if it is about the Sun it should be the Sun/Son of the Earth and not Man. Man is just one of the species on the planet. I must say I had enjoyed your answer on another thread, now I don't know which, but you had written that God had done horrible things not Satan which is a fact.
Thanks!!! Yea it is evident that the Bible god in the Bible commits many more atrocities then a Satan in the Bible..Particularly this verse sounds much like the sun:

Daniel 7:13
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him

So I have to ask what else is in the sky and comes with clouds? Well it is either the Sun or could it be talking about a Spaceship? Heaven can be classified as outer space.

You might find this interesting:

The ancients realized quite abundantly that they needed the Sun to return every day and that they would be in big trouble if the Sun continued to move southward and did not stop and reverse its direction. Thus, these many different cultures celebrated the "Sun of God's" birthday on December 25th.

The following are the characteristics of the "Sun of God"

In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the Sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin."

The Sun is the "Light of the World."

The Sun "cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him."

The Sun rising in the morning is the "Savior of mankind."

The Sun wears a corona, "crown of thorns" or halo.

The Sun "walks on water."

The Sun's "followers," "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the Sun must pass.

The Sun at 12:00 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High"; thus, "he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.

The Sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30°; hence, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.

The Sun is hung on a cross or "crucified," which represents its passing through the equinoxes, the vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar...

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#10 Feb 25, 2014
Truthseeker007 wrote:
<quoted text>
It all sounds symbolic of not the Son but the SUN.There is much evidence that Christinaity is basically a Sun worshipping religion. They just turned the Sun into a godman.
Or you're just plain IGNORANT and don't know Son from sun.

Since: Nov 13

United States

#11 Feb 25, 2014
dollarsbill wrote:
<quoted text>Or you're just plain IGNORANT and don't know Son from sun.
The Son of God is The Sun of God

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#12 Feb 25, 2014
Truthseeker007 wrote:
<quoted text>
The Son of God is The Sun of God
You're illiterate and "DAMNED".

Isaiah 9:6 (NKJV)
6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Since: Nov 13

United States

#13 Feb 25, 2014
dollarsbill wrote:
<quoted text>
You're illiterate and "DAMNED".
Isaiah 9:6 (NKJV)
6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
THE BOOK OF THE DEAD
PLATE XXXVI

A HYMN OF PRAISE TO OSIRIS THE DWELLER IN AMENTET, UN-NEFER WITHIN ABTU, Osiris Ani, triumphant, saith: Hail, O my lord, who dost traverse eternity, and whose existence endureth for ever. Hail, Lord of Lords, King of Kings, Prince, the God of gods who live with Thee

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#14 Feb 25, 2014
Truthseeker007 wrote:
<quoted text>
The Son of God is The Sun of God
Agreed. "Son" doesn't necessarily mean "male" when applied to the Messiah. The Sun is God the father, the source of energy for the universe. God is Energy and the husband of the Messiah. They are one flesh. Genesis 2:24. "...in them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun. Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber...". Psalm 19:4-5. "For thy Maker is thine husband...For the Lord hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth when thou wast refused, saith thy God". Isaiah 54:5-6.

Since: Nov 13

United States

#15 Feb 25, 2014
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Agreed. "Son" doesn't necessarily mean "male" when applied to the Messiah. The Sun is God the father, the source of energy for the universe. God is Energy and the husband of the Messiah. They are one flesh. Genesis 2:24. "...in them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun. Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber...". Psalm 19:4-5. "For thy Maker is thine husband...For the Lord hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth when thou wast refused, saith thy God". Isaiah 54:5-6.
Well one of the Suns because they're are billions of Sun's in the Universe.Just look up at the night sky and see all the Sun's for yourself.
Veronica

Málaga, Spain

#16 Feb 26, 2014
Truthseeker007 wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks!!! Yea it is evident that the Bible god in the Bible commits many more atrocities then a Satan in the Bible..Particularly this verse sounds much like the sun:
Daniel 7:13
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him[QUOTE who="Truthseeker007" ]<quoted text>So I have to ask what else is in the sky and comes with clouds? Well it is either the Sun or could it be talking about a Spaceship?
Exodus 13:21
I don't live far from the airport so I see at night lots of moving lights, some days I see jet stream.

It would not surprise me if it is about a spacecraft, just because we assume that we are modern man that does not mean that we are the only so-called modern man this planet has ever known.

I am no fan of Einstein however I am inclined to agree with him that the fourth world war will be fought with sticks and stones.
Truthseeker007 wrote:
<quoted text>
Heaven can be classified as outer space.
You might find this interesting:
The ancients realized quite abundantly that they needed the Sun to return every day and that they would be in big trouble if the Sun continued to move southward and did not stop and reverse its direction. Thus, these many different cultures celebrated the "Sun of God's" birthday on December 25th.
The following are the characteristics of the "Sun of God"
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the Sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin."
The Sun is the "Light of the World."
The Sun "cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him."
The Sun rising in the morning is the "Savior of mankind."
The Sun wears a corona, "crown of thorns" or halo.
The Sun "walks on water."
The Sun's "followers," "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the Sun must pass.
The Sun at 12:00 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High"; thus, "he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The Sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30°; hence, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The Sun is hung on a cross or "crucified," which represents its passing through the equinoxes, the vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar...
This is the sun story that I know. A tad bit different. Did not know the high noon bit.
December 22nd, is the day the sun stops moving south perceivably, for 3 days During this 3 day the Sun is in the vicinity of the Southern Crux, thus the sun dies on the cross. On December 25th, the Sun moves 1 degree, this time north, thus the sun is reborn,
It travels north making the days longer and on the Spring equinox the sun had finally conquered death, the resurrection is celebrated.

Virgo is the virgin, also known as the wheat bearer/ house of bread.
Bethlehem is also known as the house of bread

.I have learned not to throw away anything no matter how stupid/far-fetch it sounds. I think I might be a bit paranoid, for I do believe that we have been lied to about this planets history
Veronica

Málaga, Spain

#17 Feb 26, 2014
Seentheotherside wrote:
<quoted text>
How can I forget you?
You are one of the most intelligent people I've come across on Topix.
I am retired now, so have a new life.
Zazen finally went away, as far as I know. At least I haven't come across any poster preaching his message. So I doubt he has tried any new IDs.
I copied in that material to point out that if the scholars cannot agree what it means, it's anybody's guess.
And mine would be that it's either an expression, who's meaning has been lost thru time, Or given all the changes made to the various scriptures to create the Jesus myth from other pagan writings, and had to be hand scribed with each revision, maybe was suppose to say "son of God", and some passages got messed up along the way, and like all the other massive amounts of flaws/errors, stayed in when the printing press was invented.
Retired, you do have a new life indeed.
Maybe Zazan has finally learned we all must go through our evolution at our own pace.. Thank you for having such a high opinion of me, and so it pains me to have to admit momentarily I am caught between sense and nonsense. In Europe it is so very obvious that the governments have a low esteem of the intelligence of the population, it is unbelievable the reckless rate in which the New World order is being implemented and the manner in which we are ignored or given the most blatant lie, at times I think they are speaking to children.. I don't know about the US but we are losing our rights and freedom, I am having a hard time rekindling my mind-controll program, this time I have to prevail and WAKEUP according to my friend Zazan

Well the son of man could be just a term used to express the idea Jesus is the son of mankind/ come to serve mankind. Or even that planet Earth name is Man You could be right.

Since: Jul 12

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#18 Feb 26, 2014
Truthseeker007 wrote:
<quoted text>
THE BOOK OF THE DEAD
PLATE XXXVI
A HYMN OF PRAISE TO OSIRIS THE DWELLER IN AMENTET, UN-NEFER WITHIN ABTU, Osiris Ani, triumphant, saith: Hail, O my lord, who dost traverse eternity, and whose existence endureth for ever. Hail, Lord of Lords, King of Kings, Prince, the God of gods who live with Thee
I believe Jesus. He said you are DAMNED/DOOMED.

Reincarnation/Hell LOL! Are you really that STUPID???

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#19 Feb 26, 2014
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Agreed. "Son" doesn't necessarily mean "male" when applied to the Messiah.
Thank you God for showing how STUPID these are!!!

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#20 Feb 26, 2014
Veronica wrote:
<quoted text> Retired, you do have a new life indeed.
Maybe Zazan has finally learned we all must go through our evolution at our own pace.. Thank you for having such a high opinion of me, and so it pains me to have to admit momentarily I am caught between sense and nonsense. In Europe it is so very obvious that the governments have a low esteem of the intelligence of the population, it is unbelievable the reckless rate in which the New World order is being implemented and the manner in which we are ignored or given the most blatant lie, at times I think they are speaking to children.. I don't know about the US but we are losing our rights and freedom, I am having a hard time rekindling my mind-controll program, this time I have to prevail and WAKEUP according to my friend Zazan
Well the son of man could be just a term used to express the idea Jesus is the son of mankind/ come to serve mankind. Or even that planet Earth name is Man You could be right.
Oh yes, they are slamming in the New World Order big time over here as well. We the people have no rights anymore, and the government is obsessed with surveillance and suppression. The government has turned from one that serves the people, to declaring us their enemy. In his last term of office Obama declared war upon us all, by declaring all of America as a battlefield, paving the way for the military to become involved in surveillance, suppression, and at some point, possible martial law.

I read your previous post, and ok, there may be some pagan symbolism to the son of man. But one would have to try researching where such a term came from. If that's even possible, since all the original ancient writings were burned. Leaving one to have to study ALL possible pagan beliefs/myths prior to around 300 AD, as there really was no hard beliefs until about that time period. As the mythology was still being pieced together.

Since: Nov 13

United States

#21 Feb 26, 2014
Veronica wrote:
<quoted text>Exodus 13:21
I don't live far from the airport so I see at night lots of moving lights, some days I see jet stream.
It would not surprise me if it is about a spacecraft, just because we assume that we are modern man that does not mean that we are the only so-called modern man this planet has ever known.
I am no fan of Einstein however I am inclined to agree with him that the fourth world war will be fought with sticks and stones.<quoted text>This is the sun story that I know. A tad bit different. Did not know the high noon bit.
December 22nd, is the day the sun stops moving south perceivably, for 3 days During this 3 day the Sun is in the vicinity of the Southern Crux, thus the sun dies on the cross. On December 25th, the Sun moves 1 degree, this time north, thus the sun is reborn,
It travels north making the days longer and on the Spring equinox the sun had finally conquered death, the resurrection is celebrated.
Virgo is the virgin, also known as the wheat bearer/ house of bread.
Bethlehem is also known as the house of bread
.I have learned not to throw away anything no matter how stupid/far-fetch it sounds. I think I might be a bit paranoid, for I do believe that we have been lied to about this planets history
Great understanding Veronica!!Thanks!!

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