Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#174 Dec 20, 2012
Flygerian wrote:
Messed up the quote lol but the reply to the first part of your quote was:
Can you answer my question? Does that mean the person did not commit the crime (when in all actuality he did)because there is no evidence to support that he committed the murder?
Whether the man actually committed the murder or not, if you say that he did THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU. There is no reason for anyone else to accept your accusation as true if you cannot prove it. The burden of proof is on the accuser.
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#175 Dec 20, 2012
Big Al wrote:
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He didnít see it; he made it up!
Logical thinking is obviously not one of your strengths. Iíd work on it if I were you. Logical thinking can very helpful in life.
Lol well then if he says where it is yet no one can see it (but somehow he did) that makes no sense. YOU need to have a better example. Theres nothing logical about what you (or your teacher Betrand that you keep quoting over and over) brought to the table.

You cant say "this is here" then when we go "here" its not there. Yet you still claim "it is here". That is a bit different than claiming God Almighty exists dont you think? In fact dont answer that because Im sure you'll still find a way to disagree that they're different.
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#176 Dec 20, 2012
Big Al wrote:
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Whether the man actually committed the murder or not, if you say that he did THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU. There is no reason for anyone else to accept your accusation as true if you cannot prove it. The burden of proof is on the accuser.
You didnt answer the question. If theres no evidence that shows the murderer committed the murder, does that mean he didnt commit it?
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#177 Dec 20, 2012
Flygerian wrote:
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Lol well then if he says where it is yet no one can see it (but somehow he did) that makes no sense. YOU need to have a better example. Theres nothing logical about what you (or your teacher Betrand that you keep quoting over and over) brought to the table.
You cant say "this is here" then when we go "here" its not there. Yet you still claim "it is here". That is a bit different than claiming God Almighty exists dont you think? In fact dont answer that because Im sure you'll still find a way to disagree that they're different.
It is possible that a ďGodĒ exists. It is possible that Russellís china teapot exists. The fact that it ďpossibleĒ that a thing exists is meaningless. Whoever makes the claim that a thing exists has the burden of proving that it does. Defending your statement that ďGodĒ exists by demanding proof that ďHeĒ doesnít will never convince a rational thinker that your position is correct because it is illogical.

I canít explain it any better than that and if you still donít understand thatís your problem, but you canít say no one ever explained it to you!
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#178 Dec 20, 2012
Flygerian wrote:
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You didnt answer the question. If theres no evidence that shows the murderer committed the murder, does that mean he didnt commit it?
If there was a murder we know someone committed it, we just donít know who. The point which you seem to be missing is that if you accuse someone of committing the murder you are required to prove your accusation he is not required to prove that he didnít commit the murder.

I canít explain it any better than that if you still donít understand thatís your problem, but you canít say no one ever explained it to you!
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#179 Dec 20, 2012
Big Al wrote:
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It is possible that a ďGodĒ exists. It is possible that Russellís china teapot exists. The fact that it ďpossibleĒ that a thing exists is meaningless. Whoever makes the claim that a thing exists has the burden of proving that it does. Defending your statement that ďGodĒ exists by demanding proof that ďHeĒ doesnít will never convince a rational thinker that your position is correct because it is illogical.
I canít explain it any better than that and if you still donít understand thatís your problem, but you canít say no one ever explained it to you!
I understand exactly what you're saying. Just in your poor examples, it pointed out a place that is within reach. If I say "there is a monster under my bed!" then you can easily come and see that. That is not what anyone says of God Almighty.

Im not trying to convince anyone. I stopped doing that a long time ago. Its on that person to search to see if Hes real. Not just say "I cant see Him! He aint REAL!" lol. But so be it if thats the proof they need to believe. Cant say they're gonna get that before they die though

So like I said I understand exactly what you're getting at. It was just a terrible example/comparison that you or Bert made lol. That is what I was getting at.
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#180 Dec 20, 2012
Big Al wrote:
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If there was a murder we know someone committed it, we just donít know who. The point which you seem to be missing is that if you accuse someone of committing the murder you are required to prove your accusation he is not required to prove that he didnít commit the murder.
I canít explain it any better than that if you still donít understand thatís your problem, but you canít say no one ever explained it to you!
Why do you keep dodging my question? I already understand what you're saying but you keep dodging what I AM saying for whatever reason.

If someone committed a murder ( say you saw from the shadows or something) but there was no evidence to support this murder (say you didnt want to tell) does that mean this person did not commit the murder? I mean its a yes or no question but for the last two or three times I've asked it, you keep repeating something that I understood after the first time you typed it lol.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#181 Dec 21, 2012
Flygerian wrote:
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Why do you keep dodging my question? I already understand what you're saying but you keep dodging what I AM saying for whatever reason.
If someone committed a murder ( say you saw from the shadows or something) but there was no evidence to support this murder (say you didnt want to tell) does that mean this person did not commit the murder? I mean its a yes or no question but for the last two or three times I've asked it, you keep repeating something that I understood after the first time you typed it lol.
Youíre just confusing the issue. The issue is burden of proof. If we know a murder was committed we know someone committed it. Whether or not the accused committed the murder the burden of proof is on the accuser.

Youíre either playing silly games or you genuinely have trouble thinking logically. In either case thereís no more I can say about it.
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#182 Dec 21, 2012
Big Al wrote:
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Youíre just confusing the issue. The issue is burden of proof. If we know a murder was committed we know someone committed it. Whether or not the accused committed the murder the burden of proof is on the accuser.
Youíre either playing silly games or you genuinely have trouble thinking logically. In either case thereís no more I can say about it.
I'll respond again once you answer my question. You're just repeating what you've said for the last three posts at least. All the while ignoring my question =/
jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#183 Dec 26, 2012
Gomar wrote:
If God is eternal, and the universe is only about 6000 years old, sure does beg the question what did God do before creation?
DID GOD TELL US THE EARTH WAS ONLY 6000 YEARS OLD, DID HE?:

GENESIS 1:1,2:
'1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.'

I thought God told Moses He created a formless, empty, watery earth "IN THE BEGINING..."

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#184 Dec 28, 2012
jesus is wrote:
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DID GOD TELL US THE EARTH WAS ONLY 6000 YEARS OLD, DID HE?:
GENESIS 1:1,2:
'1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.'
I thought God told Moses He created a formless, empty, watery earth "IN THE BEGINING..."
IN THE BEGINNING of what?
jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#185 Dec 31, 2012
-The Star Reborn- wrote:
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IN THE BEGINNING of what?
Time

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#186 Dec 31, 2012
jesus is wrote:
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Time
Even when my soul goes to Heaven/God, there is a continuation of the sequence of events from one to another, which is how we mark time. So by your saying "In the beginning" of time, then you are saying God did not always exist.
Greek Road

Charlotte, NC

#187 Dec 31, 2012
Flygerian wrote:
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I'll respond again once you answer my question. You're just repeating what you've said for the last three posts at least. All the while ignoring my question =/
Good lord it was painful reading thru all your nonsense. I genuinely felt sorry for Big Al, it was like watching logic 101 on a 3 year old! It was similar to the frustration one gets from trying to herd cats. I think it was clear to everyone but you that he ignored your question because it was irrelevant. What did you hope to accomplish with your ridiculous question? Did you want to point out how are justice system would benefit from your backwards God friendly logic? How it would be great if the prisons were full of innocent defendants that couldn't prove they were innocent? The prisons would be full but at least the burden of proof is off your man made Bible God, leprechauns, tea pots and any Gods you don't believe in!

For future reference I would refrain from a logical debate with Big Al, Punisher, Gillette or even most theist on here because you look like a fool. I don't even think you could handle Sola!

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#188 Dec 31, 2012
Greek Road wrote:
<quoted text>Good lord it was painful reading thru all your nonsense. I genuinely felt sorry for Big Al, it was like watching logic 101 on a 3 year old! It was similar to the frustration one gets from trying to herd cats. I think it was clear to everyone but you that he ignored your question because it was irrelevant. What did you hope to accomplish with your ridiculous question? Did you want to point out how are justice system would benefit from your backwards God friendly logic? How it would be great if the prisons were full of innocent defendants that couldn't prove they were innocent? The prisons would be full but at least the burden of proof is off your man made Bible God, leprechauns, tea pots and any Gods you don't believe in!
For future reference I would refrain from a logical debate with Big Al, Punisher, Gillette or even most theist on here because you look like a fool. I don't even think you could handle Sola!
It's a common tactic of these Christians to ask totally irrelevant questions, or take one small statement and ask a question on that, to totally avoid the point the person was making, that was too truthful about their silly religion for them to face. I think it has a lot to do with the Christian FEAR mongering brainwashing. For when someone makes a damming point about the falseness of Christianity, the FEAR kicks in and they choke up, unable to face it, so HAVE to sidetrack the issue to avoid it.

red herring

In argument, something designed to divert an opponent's attention from the central issue. If a herring is dragged across a trail that hounds are following, it throws them off the scent.
crzzzd

Rochester, PA

#189 Jan 5, 2013
youtube.com/watch...
The person is dead he dosent age?
toxicpavs

Methuen, MA

#190 Jun 6, 2013
i like farts, apples, monkeys, and batman.
raman

Port Townsend, WA

#191 Feb 18, 2015
How old is God?- A simple question.
The answer is harder, it appears.
Terminology is the difficult part;
God existed before there were "years"!

What is the unit that we could use
to adequately add up God's sum?
The only measure is 'eternities',
and the answer then surely is One!

from How Old is God? by Raman Stika

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#195 Feb 22, 2015
God is Energy and it created the Lord. God is a husband and wife and they are one flesh. Genesis 2:24. "For thy Maker is thine husband..." Isaiah 54:5 "But in his estate shall he honor the God of forces..." Daniel 11:38. God is as old as matter.
Just the Truth

Sugar Grove, IL

#196 Feb 22, 2015
Gomar wrote:
So how old exactly is God? Older than the universe? Same age?
Is God living outside of the universe or within it? Did God create just 1 or many universes?
Is there life on other planets? If so, do aliens speak Hebrew, Latin, English? Do they have the same bible as humans do?
Is our Jesus theirs as well, or does God fly around the universe impregnating virgins?
What did God do before he/she/it created the universe?
Who created God? Does he/she/it have parents?
Wow, you are massively ignorant. I suggest you spend a little time studying the subject so you can ask more informed questions.

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