Jehovah's Witnesses Christian or Cult?

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#93 Jul 25, 2013
little lamb wrote:
The organization of the Watch tower...does not preach the new testament..which means covenant.
They tell people the new testament, which means covenant is not for them...
In the new covenant Jesus mediates , Jehovah God promises us " he will become our God and we his people"
So the message of the new covenant [testament] is one of reconciliation with Jehovah God the Father through the BLOOD of Jesus...
but the organization of the watch tower teaches reconciliation is through belonging to the organization...which takes the place of being Gods arrangement, rather then the covenant arrangement , Jesus mediates.
That is why you will find in meeting hall upon meeting hall, no one obeys Jesus on taking of the bread and wine.
Speaking of obeying Jesus, have you sold everything you owned and given the money to the poor?

No? Then you have no right to cast stones.
Johnny Trunk

Philadelphia, PA

#95 Jul 25, 2013
little lamb wrote:
The organization of the Watch tower...does not preach the new testament..which means covenant.
They tell people the new testament, which means covenant is not for them...
In the new covenant Jesus mediates , Jehovah God promises us " he will become our God and we his people"
So the message of the new covenant [testament] is one of reconciliation with Jehovah God the Father through the BLOOD of Jesus...
but the organization of the watch tower teaches reconciliation is through belonging to the organization...which takes the place of being Gods arrangement, rather then the covenant arrangement , Jesus mediates.
That is why you will find in meeting hall upon meeting hall, no one obeys Jesus on taking of the bread and wine.
what are you talking about?

are God`s people supposed to be unorganized?
The Seven Spirits of God

San Antonio, TX

#96 Jul 25, 2013
Johnny Trunk wrote:
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what are you talking about?
are God`s people supposed to be unorganized?
Is dollarsbill Your Brother
in Christ And is of The Same Spirit You Are?
Yes or no?

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#97 Jul 25, 2013
The Seven Spirits of God wrote:
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Is dollarsbill Your Brother
in Christ And is of The Same Spirit You Are?
Yes or no?
What does it matter? Nobody here believes anything you say, except maybe Gary the God/Bible hater.
Johnny Trunk

Philadelphia, PA

#98 Jul 25, 2013
The Seven Spirits of God wrote:
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Is dollarsbill Your Brother
in Christ And is of The Same Spirit You Are?
Yes or no?
you are not my brother
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#99 Jul 25, 2013
Johnny Trunk wrote:
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what are you talking about?
are God`s people supposed to be unorganized?
It is the new covenant where god says ' he will become our god and we his people' in the first place...Heb 8 [10]

you can't become gods people by joining an organized religion called by his name...and try to circumnavigate the covenant [testament]

every first century Christian who was organized into congregations were in a new covenant relationship with Jehovah

your organization organizes people into congregations LIKE the first Christians whilst not in a covenant relationship with Jehovah..

So you have taken the organized part of the new testament for the people and left the whole new covenant [testament] out of the teachings as being for the people.

by the way testament means covenant..and Jesus is the messenger of the covenant [testament of God]

“Vader2016!”

Since: Sep 10

The Deathstar

#101 Jul 26, 2013
Johnny Trunk wrote:
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you are not my brother
John,

Your religion is a fraud, it really is.

Sighed,

Someone who was once in your shoes.
Johnny Trunk

Philadelphia, PA

#102 Jul 26, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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It is the new covenant where god says ' he will become our god and we his people' in the first place...Heb 8 [10]
you can't become gods people by joining an organized religion called by his name...and try to circumnavigate the covenant [testament]
every first century Christian who was organized into congregations were in a new covenant relationship with Jehovah
your organization organizes people into congregations LIKE the first Christians whilst not in a covenant relationship with Jehovah..
So you have taken the organized part of the new testament for the people and left the whole new covenant [testament] out of the teachings as being for the people.
by the way testament means covenant..and Jesus is the messenger of the covenant [testament of God]
so in your sight religion is supposed to be unorganized?
Johnny Trunk

Philadelphia, PA

#103 Jul 26, 2013
Lion of God wrote:
I'm God worship and please me. JW's are heathens and are cult. I'm supreme and know all.
Matthew 23:12
Expanded Bible (EXB)
12 Whoever ·makes himself great [lifts up/exalts himself] will be made humble. Whoever makes himself humble will be ·made great [exalted; lifted up].
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#104 Jul 26, 2013
Johnny Trunk wrote:
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so in your sight religion is supposed to be unorganized?
God didn't send a 'religion', he sent his only begotten son, Jesus Christ.

And Jesus is the mediator of a new covenant

And the new testament-'covenant' is the message of reconciliation to God the Father..and we are supposed to be 'ambassadors, substituting for Christ saying " Become reconciled to God the Father.' and to get that message of reconciliation out to others , we have to do it in an orderly way , because God is a god of order not disorder..

But it is no use being 'organized' if our message is not the new 'testament'[covenant] because we can't just make up our own message as suits us.
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#105 Jul 26, 2013
What the watch tower does is separate people into two groups..the 144,000 and the great crowd...now they can show from scripture that this exists.

But where they go wrong is they teach most of their members are the great crowd so they are not in the new testament [covenant] as that is only for the 144,000.

But they teach that the men in America known as the 'governing'[to rule], body are the anointed , and that the great crowd can be saved if they grab the 'hem' of these men, and join their organization and be fed by them.

there is a problem however Galatians 3 [29] tells us " Moreover if you belong to Christ you are Abraham's seed"

They don't believe the Great Crowd BELONG to Christ,,,as they teach only the 144,000 are the 'seed' of Abraham...

So they have taken the 'gospels' the new testament [covenant] away from millions of people...and they don't believe they are in a covenant relationship with God.

So what is the sense of being organized to spread unbelief in the new testament which means covenant...and an anti-christ message.
Johnny Trunk

Philadelphia, PA

#106 Jul 26, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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God didn't send a 'religion', he sent his only begotten son, Jesus Christ.
And Jesus is the mediator of a new covenant
And the new testament-'covenant' is the message of reconciliation to God the Father..and we are supposed to be 'ambassadors, substituting for Christ saying " Become reconciled to God the Father.' and to get that message of reconciliation out to others , we have to do it in an orderly way , because God is a god of order not disorder..
But it is no use being 'organized' if our message is not the new 'testament'[covenant] because we can't just make up our own message as suits us.
The new covenant is For a kingdom Jehovah`s Witnesses preach God`s Kingdom.

Luke 22:29
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
29 as my Father appointed a kingdom for me, so do I appoint for you.

Matthew 24:14
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
14 And the Good News I have shared about God’s kingdom will be told throughout the world. It will be spread to every nation. Then the end will come.
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#107 Jul 26, 2013
Johnny Trunk wrote:
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The new covenant is For a kingdom Jehovah`s Witnesses preach God`s Kingdom.
Luke 22:29
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
29 as my Father appointed a kingdom for me, so do I appoint for you.
Matthew 24:14
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
14 And the Good News I have shared about God’s kingdom will be told throughout the world. It will be spread to every nation. Then the end will come.
They preach the Kingdom, but like Jesus says " They don't ENTER the Kingdom and hinder others who want to"

Because Jesus said " Unless anyone is born of spirit and water he can not enter the Kingdom"

And like all new covenant teachings , they teach people Jesus is not speaking to them...so they don't believe Jesus teaching

" unless anyone is born from spirit, he can not see the Kingdom of God.'

“Vader2016!”

Since: Sep 10

The Deathstar

#108 Jul 26, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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" unless anyone is born from spirit, he can not see the Kingdom of God.'
Unless one reads Harry Potter, he can not understand Dumbledore.

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#109 Jul 26, 2013
10uhsee wrote:
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Unless one reads Harry Potter, he can not understand Dumbledore.
“they could not believe”

John 12:39-40 (NKJV)
39 Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again: 40 "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, Lest they should see with their eyes, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them."
Apologetics

Van Nuys, CA

#110 Jul 27, 2013
The whole Jesus is the archangel Michael crap takes the deity away from Christ and makes anything else they say null and void. They are just like the Mormons, Catholics, and seventh day Adventist. False doctrine that denies the deity of Christ. The best thing you can do for a JW is pray for them.

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#111 Jul 27, 2013
Apologetics wrote:
The whole Jesus is the archangel Michael crap takes the deity away from Christ and makes anything else they say null and void. They are just like the Mormons, Catholics, and seventh day Adventist. False doctrine that denies the deity of Christ. The best thing you can do for a JW is pray for them.
Catholics?
Johnny Trunk

Philadelphia, PA

#114 Jul 28, 2013
Seentheotherside wrote:
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You poor brainwashed fool. You are only being used to brainwash other fools so the JW "elect" can take everyone's money to enrich themselves.
WoW is that a LIE

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe/God

#115 Aug 2, 2013
Johnny Trunk wrote:
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WoW is that a LIE
So please supply some proof that they use all their millions to feed the poor/homeless, help with medical aid, clothing, housing/homeless shelters, anything to help the needy.

I cannot find them involved in ANY programs to help the needy. Just making millions of dollars for themselves.
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#116 Aug 2, 2013
Seentheotherside wrote:
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So please supply some proof that they use all their millions to feed the poor/homeless, help with medical aid, clothing, housing/homeless shelters, anything to help the needy.
I cannot find them involved in ANY programs to help the needy. Just making millions of dollars for themselves.
seeing Jesus sent us out to bear witness to him...it is a bit unfair to ask anyone to bear witness to themselves.

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