Since: Dec 12

Charlotte, NC

#27 Dec 30, 2012
Greek Road wrote:
<quoted text>This post makes more sense anything I have seen tonight. The schizophrenic trinity is simply retarded!
Thanks. I practice Torah-only Judaism exactly for this reason. Though the Torah is full of things that don't make sense, I can simply believe in one god and do good deeds and let the chips fall wherever they may--and if it's all a bunch of bull, than at least I derived the benefit of moral living and having the strong community support that comes with it. I tried christianity some years ago and ended up studying my way out of it as it simply doesn't make sense. Christian doctrine's a bit too whacky for me to be able to accept and not feel silly.

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#28 Dec 30, 2012
The Hebrew wrote:
Thanks. I practice Torah-only Judaism exactly for this reason. Though the Torah is full of things that don't make sense, I can simply believe in one god and do good deeds and let the chips fall wherever they may--and if it's all a bunch of bull, than at least I derived the benefit of moral living and having the strong community support that comes with it. I tried christianity some years ago and ended up studying my way out of it as it simply doesn't make sense. Christian doctrine's a bit too whacky for me to be able to accept and not feel silly.
The difference between the two is Christianity views God as corporate one as opposed to literal one. Literal one is by nature non relational. Since that perception sits in eternity having no need for anything. If God is literal one and sits in eternity then who is there to love except Himself? That does not make sense to me. The concept of corporate one is defined in marriage. Also in Isaiah 53 many traditionally interpret Israel as corporate one. So the concept is not all that hard to understand.

Since: Dec 12

Charlotte, NC

#29 Dec 30, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Depends on which Jew you talk to. If you are wrong then you also are screwed as is your Muslem friends. If Jesus bodily resurrected then Jesus is the Messiah who came on a donkey (Zech:9:9) and comes again in the clouds of heaven. Not Earth. Daniel 7:13.
In spite of the issues that exist between muslims and jews, most jews--and Rabbis--acknowledge that muslims worship the same God as themselves whereas christians whom worship jesus are guilty of idolatry and shall have no place in "the world to come". This is, of course, something that white jews don't discuss very often due their not wanting to stir up anti-semitism, but it's the mainstream opinion none-the-less. There have been a few Rabbis whom thought otherwise but they are the minority, and it has been assumed that those Rabbis whom have given christianity their stamp of approval did so, again, in order to combat anti-semitism.

As for myself, I reject Jesus because he isn't the Messiah mentioned in the scriptures. And even if he was the Messiah, he would have never claimed that he was God as the christians have made him to be.

-Torah says God is one

-Christians say that God is three

And I'm not worried about being "screwed" because I don't believe in the christian concept of hell, lol.

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#30 Dec 30, 2012
I am still trying to figure out why it matters if Jesus was married or not.

1. Marriage is not sinful; marital sex is not sinful.
2. Jesus would have not loved us less if He had married.
3. Marriage would in no have affected His purpose here on earth.

He may have been married; He may not have been married. The Bible is silent on the issue, so it could not have been really important. Had it been important someone would have taken the time to state His marital status.

God bless.

Since: Dec 12

Charlotte, NC

#31 Dec 30, 2012
Seriously__ wrote:
I am still trying to figure out why it matters if Jesus was married or not.
1. Marriage is not sinful; marital sex is not sinful.
2. Jesus would have not loved us less if He had married.
3. Marriage would in no have affected His purpose here on earth.
He may have been married; He may not have been married. The Bible is silent on the issue, so it could not have been really important. Had it been important someone would have taken the time to state His marital status.
God bless.
They tend to think that jesus was "sinless", as if having sexual relations is a sin, lol. Hence the idea that Jesus had sex is an abomination to them.
BOLD

Charleston, WV

#32 Dec 30, 2012
Seriously__ wrote:
I am still trying to figure out why it matters if Jesus was married or not.
1. Marriage is not sinful; marital sex is not sinful.
2. Jesus would have not loved us less if He had married.
3. Marriage would in no have affected His purpose here on earth.
He may have been married; He may not have been married. The Bible is silent on the issue, so it could not have been really important. Had it been important someone would have taken the time to state His marital status.
God bless.
***Way over your head.***Have you not realized GOD is Spirit and to worship Him, we have to worship Him in Spirit and truth.***Jesus came to the earth as the Son of God, made flesh.***Jesus purpose was not to fulfill the flesh, but to fulfill the teachings God instructed Him to do.***Followed by His ultimate blood sacrifice on the Cross in order for all mankind be given a chance to be saved.***You need to comprehend what the Bible makes clear.***Jesus Christ was God in the flesh: so God being all SPIRIT, proves all reasoning as to who He is and His total purpose.***Jesus flesh i no way desire the things of men during his life on earth.***His will and desire was to fulfill the purpose His Father sent Him to do.***Marriage is totally restricted from the picture that so many are trying to visualize.***Read the four Gospels, learn who Christ is and His purpose.***

Since: Dec 12

Charlotte, NC

#33 Dec 30, 2012
BOLD wrote:
<quoted text>*Jesus flesh i no way desire the things of men during his life on earth
Well,he surely wanted to avoid the pain of the flesh when he cried out" My God, why have you forsaken me?"

And he fulfilled the hunger of the flesh when he ate food

And, like other humans, I bet he answered the call of nature when it was time to take a ****.

No?
BOLD

Charleston, WV

#34 Dec 30, 2012
The Hebrew wrote:
<quoted text>
They tend to think that jesus was "sinless", as if having sexual relations is a sin, lol. Hence the idea that Jesus had sex is an abomination to them.
***Jesus Christ was and is still the Spotless Lamb.***Jesus Christ was Perfect, He was not to be compared in anyway to any man that walked the earth.***He was sent to serve the Father's purpose.***God is not flesh, therefore when Jesus told the Decipals when you see me, you have seen the Father.***Meaning: "Jesus was God on the Flesh" (Perfect in Every way) Is this so hard for you to understand?***Read the Four Gospel, learn who Jesus Christ is and His Purpose for your life as well as mine and everybody.***

Since: Dec 12

Charlotte, NC

#35 Dec 30, 2012
BOLD wrote:
<quoted text>*God is not flesh, therefore when Jesus told the Decipals when you see me, you have seen the Father.***Meaning: "Jesus was God on the Flesh" (Perfect in Every way) Is this so hard for you to understand?***Read the Four Gospel, learn who Jesus Christ is and His Purpose for your life as well as mine and everybody.***
Well, the guy ate food, drank, prayed, fasted, and asked God why He had he forsaken him when he was hanging on the cross.

Sounds pretty human to me. God is God, Jesus is Jesus...is this so hard for you to understand?

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#36 Dec 30, 2012
Jesus was divine and flesh. He came to experience life as a human and prove He could live as a human and still be sinless (so He could be our Saviour). There would have been no conflict if He married or remained single as neither is sinful

My main point being it is not possible for this to have been an integral issue when He lived since the Bible is silent on the issue. If was not a critical issue then, why is it now? What difference could it possibly make if He had been married? Why should we as Christians even care if He had been married?

Honestly, IMO the Bible is likely silent on the issue for two reasons: It is not relevant, and it is none of our business.

God bless you and yours.

Since: Dec 12

Charlotte, NC

#37 Dec 30, 2012
Ben_Masada wrote:
<quoted text>
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Not all the Essenes were celibate; only a small faction of it, according to Josephus in his "Antiquity of the Jews.
Ben
True, however--since we're talking about whether or not Jesus was married--the idea that perhaps he was a celibate Essene is as good as any. Personally, I believe that he was probaly married.

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#38 Dec 30, 2012
As far as I am concerned, the final word about things that the Bible is silent about is this:

Matthew 19:26

26 Jesus looked at them and said,“With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Since the Bible is silent about Jesus' marital status, He may have been married, He may not. It is frankly none of our business if He was. Had it been our business, the Bible would have been clear about the issue.

God Bless.
BOLD

Charleston, WV

#40 Dec 30, 2012
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Seriously,
It matters because Jesus is God. God does not need a wife.
Marriage would have affected his purpose. When one marries they must be devoted to their spouse. Jesus was not here to fulfill the desires of the flesh. He was here to bring salvation to a lost and dying world.
<quoted text>
***Explained better than what I tried to say.***Thanks! Very well said***

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#41 Dec 30, 2012
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Seriously,
It matters because Jesus is God. God does not need a wife.
Marriage would have affected his purpose. When one marries they must be devoted to their spouse. Jesus was not here to fulfill the desires of the flesh. He was here to bring salvation to a lost and dying world.
<quoted text>
If it was important the Bible would have been clear on the matter. I must conclude, since the Bible was silent, it is both not important and none of our business. IMO, marriage would not have affected his purpose. I am no less devoted to my child because I love my husband. Love and devotion is not limited in that fashion. If you wish to believe He was not married, then go ahead. No one will change your mind. Others of us wish to go by what the Bible is clear on and when it is silent, we can assume anything is possible with God.

God bless you and yours.

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#42 Dec 30, 2012
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Seriously,
It matters because Jesus is God. God does not need a wife.
Marriage would have affected his purpose. When one marries they must be devoted to their spouse. Jesus was not here to fulfill the desires of the flesh. He was here to bring salvation to a lost and dying world.
<quoted text>
Native, you've said this before. I must remind you that you are not God, and you can't say what Jesus needed or didn't need.
It doesn't matter, anyway.

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Since: Nov 12

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#43 Dec 30, 2012
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Seriously,
It matters because Jesus is God. God does not need a wife.
Marriage would have affected his purpose. When one marries they must be devoted to their spouse. Jesus was not here to fulfill the desires of the flesh. He was here to bring salvation to a lost and dying world.
<quoted text>
Amen! Well said.

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#44 Dec 30, 2012
tickedoffchic wrote:
<quoted text>
Native, you've said this before. I must remind you that you are not God, and you can't say what Jesus needed or didn't need.
It doesn't matter, anyway.
I agree. Those of us who contend that we will never know while we are on this earth are not saying He *needed* a wife. Marriage is about so much more than fleshly pleasures as the math and common sense prove. Marriage is far more about learning how to gracefully live in peace with another human being. Those who equate marriage to simply a sex act are diminishing God's second greatest gift to us in such a sad and horrid manor.

God never intended marriage to be equated to merely a sex act, and that is the saddest part of this whole argument that Christ was not married because He did not need sex.

God bless you and yours.

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#45 Dec 30, 2012
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
Amen! Well said.
Oh, you think Jesus was just here for you. How egotistical of you.
It doesn't matter whether Jesus was married, or not. If He was a practicing Jew, He was probably married. If He was an Essene, He might not have been. There are a couple of countries that say Jesus was married; the southwest of France and Kashmir. Educate yourself.

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#48 Dec 30, 2012
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Seriously,
When you marry you devote your life to that one you marry. Jesus was not here to become like the world. His main purpose of being here was to die on the cross and resurrect. To speculate and even insinuate that Jesus would have gotten married shows you do not understand the full purpose of why he came to earth. Marrying also involves having sex. I am not saying sex is the only reason for marriage, but to again insinuate God had sex is showing you do not understand the purpose of why Jesus was sent. He was not sent to become like the world, but he was sent to bring the world unto salvation. Stop making God like man he is nothing like you or I. He is God and we must worship him in Spirit and in Truth. So yes it does matter cause God is above us.
He came also to live as a human to better understand our struggles. He came to prove He could live as a human and remain sinless. His way to not become like the world was to remain sinless and had nothing to do with His marital status. I really hope He was able to partake of His second greatest gift to mankind.

If this was important, it would have been clearly stated in the Bible. IMO, all the important information we need is in the Bible. His remaining sinless was important and it was clearly stated in the Bible. His being born of a virgin was important and was clearly stated. His being crucified was important and was clearly stated. His resurrection was important and was clearly stated. His marital status is none of our business and it is unimportant or it would have been clearly stated. If His marital status is important, why was it omitted?

God bless you and yours.

Since: Jun 12

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#49 Dec 30, 2012
The Hebrew wrote:
I reject Jesus because he isn't the Messiah mentioned in the scriptures. And even if he was the Messiah, he would have never claimed that he was God as the christians have made him to be.
GoJohn has Jesus down as claiming to be God and His antagonists as understanding the claim.(Jn.10:33) God does not lie. In Luke 22:37 Jesus quotes Isaiah 53:12 claiming He is the Servant, Jesus fullfills Isaiah 53, not Israel.
-Torah says God is one
Yes. That does not mean literal one. In marriage the two become one.
-Christians say that God is three
No. Corporate one. Tri-relational. Three in One. Literal One is non relational. God sits in eternity by self.
And I'm not worried about being "screwed" because I don't believe in the christian concept of hell, lol.
And if you are wrong? Besides that i don't see any real arguments from you. You should be able to make your case. All critics have is assumptions and conspiracy theories the New was corrupted. Jesus is retro fitted into Hebrew Scriptures without any evidence to validate their conclusions.

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