Did the Bible says no more Prophet af...

Did the Bible says no more Prophet after Jesus?

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IamHim

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#533 Feb 26, 2013
Xcaliber wrote:
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Hey, LamHim, You're Ben too--Right?! Of course you're a Muslim. And of course you're trying to lead people to recognizing Jesus foretold Mohammad. Don't try to lie to me--I know you Muslims all too well.
Sure not only did I switch names, but locations as well! And not only that, but RELIGIONS lol. Are you gonna show me where I connected anything to speaking on Mohammed? Or can you do the right thing and admit you were wrong?
Xcaliber

Somerset, NJ

#534 Feb 27, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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Sure not only did I switch names, but locations as well! And not only that, but RELIGIONS lol. Are you gonna show me where I connected anything to speaking on Mohammed? Or can you do the right thing and admit you were wrong?
Now, let's just get to the point here, shall we.

Do you believe the New Testament has prophecy about Mohammad?
IamHim

Oklahoma City, OK

#535 Feb 27, 2013
Xcaliber wrote:
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Now, let's just get to the point here, shall we.
Do you believe the New Testament has prophecy about Mohammad?
Nope. But thread title says "Did the bible says no more prophet after Jesus?" Your answer (and you called me a liar for stating otherwise) was not only no. But Matthew 23 contradicts that belief you held till I showed you otherwise

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#536 Feb 27, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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Nope. But thread title says "Did the bible says no more prophet after Jesus?" Your answer (and you called me a liar for stating otherwise) was not only no. But Matthew 23 contradicts that belief you held till I showed you otherwise
Reread Matthew 23:34-36, which says:
34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.
Notice Jesus stated that the prophets, sages, and teachers he will send will "COME IN THIS GENERATION." Based on the context, Jesus was referring to his apostles, including John, who was a prophet, as he wrote the book of Revelation, and it's been argued that Paul was a prophet as well.

The question at hand does not refer to Jesus's immediate circle of apostles; rather, the question refers to whether there would be another biblical-like prophet in the future. Anyone who asks this question does not ask it in reference to Jesus's apostles. Now, has there been another prophet after Jesus? Clearly there has not been. As I have said, Mohammad is in no way foretold in the New Testament or Hebrew Scriptures. Such claims are simply Muslim lies. So, Mohammad was not a prophet. Did Jesus mention that he would send another prophet like any of the Old Testament prophets or the like? The answer is No. Does the New Testament speak of prophesying and members of the church who may claim to be a prophets? Yes. However, I don't know of one prophet in the early church after Jesus and his apostles were gone. To date, beyond Jesus, John, and Paul, there has yet to be another prophet like the prophets mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures and New Testament. So did Jesus say anything about sending another biblical-like prophet--No! Does the Bible specifically say "no more prophet after Jesus"--No.

However, your phrasing of your initial response did not address the question, "Did the Bible says (sic) no more Prophet after Jesus?. Instead, you claimed Matthew 23 proves Jesus did say there would be other prophets after him. Technically speaking, one could argue that since John and Paul were prophets then Jesus did say he would send prophets after him; however, that is clearly not what you meant. You obvious meant that Jesus would send prophets after he has ascended to heaven and his apostles have died. To this end, you are incorrect according to Matthew 23:36.
IamHim

United States

#537 Feb 27, 2013
Xcaliber wrote:
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Reread Matthew 23:34-36, which says:
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Notice Jesus stated that the prophets, sages, and teachers he will send will "COME IN THIS GENERATION." Based on the context, Jesus was referring to his apostles, including John, who was a prophet, as he wrote the book of Revelation, and it's been argued that Paul was a prophet as well.
The question at hand does not refer to Jesus's immediate circle of apostles; rather, the question refers to whether there would be another biblical-like prophet in the future. Anyone who asks this question does not ask it in reference to Jesus's apostles. Now, has there been another prophet after Jesus? Clearly there has not been. As I have said, Mohammad is in no way foretold in the New Testament or Hebrew Scriptures. Such claims are simply Muslim lies. So, Mohammad was not a prophet. Did Jesus mention that he would send another prophet like any of the Old Testament prophets or the like? The answer is No. Does the New Testament speak of prophesying and members of the church who may claim to be a prophets? Yes. However, I don't know of one prophet in the early church after Jesus and his apostles were gone. To date, beyond Jesus, John, and Paul, there has yet to be another prophet like the prophets mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures and New Testament. So did Jesus say anything about sending another biblical-like prophet--No! Does the Bible specifically say "no more prophet after Jesus"--No.
However, your phrasing of your initial response did not address the question, "Did the Bible says (sic) no more Prophet after Jesus?. Instead, you claimed Matthew 23 proves Jesus did say there would be other prophets after him. Technically speaking, one could argue that since John and Paul were prophets then Jesus did say he would send prophets after him; however, that is clearly not what you meant. You obvious meant that Jesus would send prophets after he has ascended to heaven and his apostles have died. To this end, you are incorrect according to Matthew 23:36.
Umm 2 things.

1. Why are you twisting my words? I said nothing about prophets coming after Jesus "ascended to heaven". What I did say is that HE SAID that he would send prophets after him

2. Even if I DID say that prophets would come after Jesus "ascended", HE DID SEND THEM AFTER HE ASCENDED. Paul didnt become a "prophet" till Jesus ascended and same for the John of Revelation if you count him as a prophet. Same with Peter as well.

The only one here in the wrong is YOU. You're the one that said Jesus didnt say he would be sending prophets and called me a LIAR for saying that he did. Wanna take that back?

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#538 Feb 27, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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Umm 2 things.
1. Why are you twisting my words? I said nothing about prophets coming after Jesus "ascended to heaven". What I did say is that HE SAID that he would send prophets after him
2. Even if I DID say that prophets would come after Jesus "ascended", HE DID SEND THEM AFTER HE ASCENDED. Paul didnt become a "prophet" till Jesus ascended and same for the John of Revelation if you count him as a prophet. Same with Peter as well.
The only one here in the wrong is YOU. You're the one that said Jesus didnt say he would be sending prophets and called me a LIAR for saying that he did. Wanna take that back?
Erm...Wrong! Your inference did not consider whether John and Paul were prophets. If you did, you would have mentioned that John and Paul and/or Peter were prophets in their own right and then you would have mentioned Matthew 23. You did NOT because your focus was on prophets coming after Jesus had ascended and his apostles were dead. Stop lying! When I mentioned Mohammad and that Jesus never said he would send another prophet, I was referring to the context in which the question is posed in this thread. You clearly thought that Jesus said that he would send prophets after he ascended and after his apostles were dead--in which case you are wrong. You're not that bright!
IamHim

United States

#539 Feb 27, 2013
Xcaliber wrote:
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Jesus never said he would be sending prophets anywhere in the New Testament. So, you're the liar.
Are you gonna stop bearing false witness? lol. This is what you said. It says nothing of "Mohammed" like you said. And you went as far as to include the whole New testament. Why cant you admit you were wrong?
IamHim

United States

#540 Feb 27, 2013
Xcaliber wrote:
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Erm...Wrong! Your inference did not consider whether John and Paul were prophets. If you did, you would have mentioned that John and Paul and/or Peter were prophets in their own right and then you would have mentioned Matthew 23. You did NOT because your focus was on prophets coming after Jesus had ascended and his apostles were dead. Stop lying! When I mentioned Mohammad and that Jesus never said he would send another prophet, I was referring to the context in which the question is posed in this thread. You clearly thought that Jesus said that he would send prophets after he ascended and after his apostles were dead--in which case you are wrong. You're not that bright!
Show me where I "inferred" about prophets coming before or after Jesus ascended. I showed the post where you called me a liar for saying Jesus said he would send prophets (and you cant even admit you were wrong) can you show me where I "inferred" what you say I did?

No it was not in the context of the thread title lol. You quoted me and called me a liar for it. But hey even if I "inferred" what you say I did, when did Peter prophesy? AFTER Jesus ASCENDED (allegedly). What about John of Revelation? AFTER JESUS ASCENDED (allegedly). What about Paul? AFTER JESUS.... well you get the idea. But let me quote my original post so you can point out to me where I inferred anything
Flygerian wrote:
Not that I believe in Jesus particularly but he did say he would send prophets
Matthew 23
Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
So how could Jesus send a prophet if he was the last one so to say?
Where did I say that it was before or after that Jesus ascended that he would send prophets? Where did I infer that it was Mohammed? NOWHERE lol. I just said that Jesus could not be the last prophet because he said he would send more. Unless he is a liar that is. You didnt even know of this verse till I posted

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#541 Feb 27, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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Are you gonna stop bearing false witness? lol. This is what you said. It says nothing of "Mohammed" like you said. And you went as far as to include the whole New testament. Why cant you admit you were wrong?
You referenced Matthew 33 in order to prove your point, which is what I'm responding to. I said Jesus did not say he would send prophets; however, I meant that statement in context with my attack against claims that Mohammad was a prophet. I was rebuking any notion that Jesus said that he was going to send Mohammad or another biblical-like prophet. Again, we are talking about WHAT JESUS SAID HIMSELF based on Matthew 33:34-36. I already made the admission that while technically it could be argued that Jesus sent other prophets, such as the apostle John and Paul; however, it is obvious that the context was about alleged prophets, such as Mohammad. This is why a made a categorical denial that Jesus said he would send prophets because I wanted to make it clear that Jesus NEVER said he would send Mohammad. Therefore, I stand by my position. On the other hand, you obviously cited Matthew 33 because you believed it meant Jesus would send prophet such as Mohammad or some other prophet after he ascended and the apostles were dead. Again, your position in this regarding is incorrect.

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#542 Feb 27, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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Show me where I "inferred" about prophets coming before or after Jesus ascended. I showed the post where you called me a liar for saying Jesus said he would send prophets (and you cant even admit you were wrong) can you show me where I "inferred" what you say I did?
No it was not in the context of the thread title lol. You quoted me and called me a liar for it. But hey even if I "inferred" what you say I did, when did Peter prophesy? AFTER Jesus ASCENDED (allegedly). What about John of Revelation? AFTER JESUS ASCENDED (allegedly). What about Paul? AFTER JESUS.... well you get the idea. But let me quote my original post so you can point out to me where I inferred anything
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Where did I say that it was before or after that Jesus ascended that he would send prophets? Where did I infer that it was Mohammed? NOWHERE lol. I just said that Jesus could not be the last prophet because he said he would send more. Unless he is a liar that is. You didnt even know of this verse till I posted
Are you telling me that you were thinking about John and Paul when you cited Matthew 33? Don't lie! You're trying to play technical but your clearly not being honest.
IamHim

United States

#543 Feb 27, 2013
Xcaliber wrote:
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You referenced Matthew 33 in order to prove your point, which is what I'm responding to. I said Jesus did not say he would send prophets; however, I meant that statement in context with my attack against claims that Mohammad was a prophet. I was rebuking any notion that Jesus said that he was going to send Mohammad or another biblical-like prophet. Again, we are talking about WHAT JESUS SAID HIMSELF based on Matthew 33:34-36. I already made the admission that while technically it could be argued that Jesus sent other prophets, such as the apostle John and Paul; however, it is obvious that the context was about alleged prophets, such as Mohammad. This is why a made a categorical denial that Jesus said he would send prophets because I wanted to make it clear that Jesus NEVER said he would send Mohammad. Therefore, I stand by my position. On the other hand, you obviously cited Matthew 33 because you believed it meant Jesus would send prophet such as Mohammad or some other prophet after he ascended and the apostles were dead. Again, your position in this regarding is incorrect.
If it was a "categorical denial of Mohammed" then why didnt you mention him? Oh thats right. You didnt even know Jesus said he would be sending more prophets lol

Even though I never mentioned whether Jesus would send prophets before or after his "ascension; when did Peter prophesy? AFTER JESUS ASCENDED. Paul? AFTER JESUS ASCENDED. John of Revelation? AFTER JESUS ASCENDED. What are you even talking about? You did not even know that Jesus said that. Because you quoted me (when I made no mention of Mohammed nor did I even make a post in this thread before what you quoted) and said I was a liar for saying Jesus said he would send more prophets. And not only did you do this, but now you are saying its in Matthew 33 showing you didnt even know Jesus stated this before I posted it lol. Just stop, this is getting embarrassing
Xcaliber wrote:
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Jesus never said he would be sending prophets anywhere in the New Testament. So, you're the liar.
This is what you said when I simply asked someone if they thought Jesus was lying when he said what he did in Matthew 23. STOP BEARING FALSE WITNESS LOL
IamHim

United States

#544 Feb 27, 2013
Xcaliber wrote:
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Are you telling me that you were thinking about John and Paul when you cited Matthew 33? Don't lie! You're trying to play technical but your clearly not being honest.
You still have no idea what you're talking about lol. You do know its Matthew 23 and not 33 right? Oh thats right lol you didnt even know Jesus stated it before I said something. Remember this on the last page?
Xcaliber wrote:
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Not only did Jesus not say anything about sending prophets, even if he did, he certainly wouldn't have sent a murderer like Mohammad. Let's examine just one of the dozens of hadith of dozens that prove Mohammad was not only a murderer, but also, a thief, rapist, pedophile, necrophiliac, warlord, mob-boss, thug, slave owner, and of course, a liar. See below Ishaq 676, which is just one of the many hadith proving Mohammad was a mob-boss and murderer.
lol. Let me repeat what you said and I quote

"NOT ONLY DID JESUS NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SENDING PROPHETS, EVEN IF HE DID, HE CERTAINLY WOULDN'T HAVE SENT A MURDERER LIKE MOHAMMED"

Can you stop bearing false witness now? You didnt even know Jesus said he would send prophets. And it doesnt matter who I had in mind. What I stated is what Jesus stated. That he would be sending prophets. I didnt make any connection to anyone nor did I need to. Simply because I made a FACTUAL statement that Jesus (if the gospel is reporting his words correctly) made the statement that he would be sending prophets. Was I wrong?

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#545 Feb 28, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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You still have no idea what you're talking about lol. You do know its Matthew 23 and not 33 right? Oh thats right lol you didnt even know Jesus stated it before I said something. Remember this on the last page?
Way to point out a typo. lol! That's what people do when they're losing an argument--resort to point out typos. Notice in other posts I stated Matthew 23.
IamHim wrote:
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lol. Let me repeat what you said and I quote
"NOT ONLY DID JESUS NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SENDING PROPHETS, EVEN IF HE DID, HE CERTAINLY WOULDN'T HAVE SENT A MURDERER LIKE MOHAMMED"
I explained why I stated that Jesus did not say he would send prophets--because the context of discussions like this tend to center around whether Mohammad was a prophet, not whether John or Paul were prophets. You keep repeating yourself but fail to say anything of substance and have failed to prove my position to be incorrect. lol!
IamHim wrote:
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Can you stop bearing false witness now? You didnt even know Jesus said he would send prophets. And it doesnt matter who I had in mind. What I stated is what Jesus stated. That he would be sending prophets. I didnt make any connection to anyone nor did I need to. Simply because I made a FACTUAL statement that Jesus (if the gospel is reporting his words correctly) made the statement that he would be sending prophets. Was I wrong?
"Bearing false witness"?! lol!

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#546 Feb 28, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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If it was a "categorical denial of Mohammed" then why didnt you mention him? Oh thats right. You didnt even know Jesus said he would be sending more prophets lol
Even though I never mentioned whether Jesus would send prophets before or after his "ascension; when did Peter prophesy? AFTER JESUS ASCENDED. Paul? AFTER JESUS ASCENDED. John of Revelation? AFTER JESUS ASCENDED. What are you even talking about? You did not even know that Jesus said that. Because you quoted me (when I made no mention of Mohammed nor did I even make a post in this thread before what you quoted) and said I was a liar for saying Jesus said he would send more prophets. And not only did you do this, but now you are saying its in Matthew 33 showing you didnt even know Jesus stated this before I posted it lol. Just stop, this is getting embarrassing
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This is what you said when I simply asked someone if they thought Jesus was lying when he said what he did in Matthew 23. STOP BEARING FALSE WITNESS LOL
Notice Logic is the individual who began this thread and made it clear in the quote below that this thread was not originally meant to discuss disciples, followers, and priests being prophets. He was referring to biblical prophets in the sense of the major Hebrew prophets of the Hebrew Scriptures, which is what I figured out immediately when I made my first post. Because Muslims argue that Deuteronomy 18:18 is a prophecy of Mohammad and he is like Moses, I immediate stated that Jesus did not say he would send another prophet like those of the Hebrew Scriptures. Thus, I immediately refuted any claim that Jesus said he would send prophets within the context of this thread as Logic pointed out, particularly that Jesus did not say anything about sending Mohammad or any other prophet like the major prophets of the Hebrew Scriptures. Obviously, to this degree I am correct, which is all I was interested in addressing.
Logic wrote:
I'm not speaking of disciples, followers, priests, etc,. They must be prophets, just like Jeremiah was called a prophet, Isiah the prophet, Elisha the prophet, Jesus the prophet, etc. In your opinion, is Jesus the last prophet? Yes or no.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/christian...

Because you refuse to pay attention to the context of this thread and my correct position based on the context, doesn't make me wrong, your technical games pertaining to Matthew 23, notwithstanding.

Get a life!
IamHim

United States

#547 Feb 28, 2013
Xcaliber wrote:
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Way to point out a typo. lol! That's what people do when they're losing an argument--resort to point out typos. Notice in other posts I stated Matthew 23.
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I explained why I stated that Jesus did not say he would send prophets--because the context of discussions like this tend to center around whether Mohammad was a prophet, not whether John or Paul were prophets. You keep repeating yourself but fail to say anything of substance and have failed to prove my position to be incorrect. lol!
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"Bearing false witness"?! lol!
Typos huh? You do know you put Matthew 33 at least three times right? Because YOU DID NOT KNOW JESUS SAID HE WOULD SEND PROPHETS. Plain and simple

Yes bearing false witness lol. Maybe thats something else you do not know the bible states?

Heres what you said:
"Not only did Jesus not say anything about sending prophets, even if he did, he certainly wouldn't have sent a murderer like Mohammad."

Clearly you state that Jesus did not say anything about sending prophets. But if he did, it wasnt Mohammed. In other words you didnt know about Matthew 23 lol Its all good though I mean I dont remember everything about the bible either (and Im being serious). But I wouldnt lie and try to save face after being proven wrong.
IamHim

United States

#548 Feb 28, 2013
Xcaliber wrote:
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Notice Logic is the individual who began this thread and made it clear in the quote below that this thread was not originally meant to discuss disciples, followers, and priests being prophets. He was referring to biblical prophets in the sense of the major Hebrew prophets of the Hebrew Scriptures, which is what I figured out immediately when I made my first post. Because Muslims argue that Deuteronomy 18:18 is a prophecy of Mohammad and he is like Moses, I immediate stated that Jesus did not say he would send another prophet like those of the Hebrew Scriptures. Thus, I immediately refuted any claim that Jesus said he would send prophets within the context of this thread as Logic pointed out, particularly that Jesus did not say anything about sending Mohammad or any other prophet like the major prophets of the Hebrew Scriptures. Obviously, to this degree I am correct, which is all I was interested in addressing.
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http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/christian...
Because you refuse to pay attention to the context of this thread and my correct position based on the context, doesn't make me wrong, your technical games pertaining to Matthew 23, notwithstanding.
Get a life!
If it was within the "context of the thread" you would of just posted and said that about Mohammed. But nope. You quoted me and then called me a liar for making a FACTUAL statement that Jesus said he would send prophets. Now you're trying to dance around this fact and say "what you actually meant" when you didnt direct your post to logic or anyone else other than ME who simply said "Jesus said he would be sending prophets" which is FACTUAL. Now how am I in the wrong again?

The context of the thread can change. I obviously directed my post at someone so it was within the context. You say Im not saying anything of substance but what I originally said is true, while yours is false. But if mine is false, explain to me how Jesus did not say he would be sending prophets? I can prove your stance wrong (as I have) by simply showing you where he stated such. Can you show me how my stance is/was wrong? If not, you're talking out the side of your neck lol =/
Xcaliber

Somerset, NJ

#549 Mar 1, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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Typos huh? You do know you put Matthew 33 at least three times right? Because YOU DID NOT KNOW JESUS SAID HE WOULD SEND PROPHETS. Plain and simple
Yes bearing false witness lol. Maybe thats something else you do not know the bible states?
Heres what you said:
"Not only did Jesus not say anything about sending prophets, even if he did, he certainly wouldn't have sent a murderer like Mohammad."
Clearly you state that Jesus did not say anything about sending prophets. But if he did, it wasnt Mohammed. In other words you didnt know about Matthew 23 lol Its all good though I mean I dont remember everything about the bible either (and Im being serious). But I wouldnt lie and try to save face after being proven wrong.
So the times I properly cited Matthew 23 mean nothing--Right! You instead want to continue with the nonsense about me not knowing Matthew 23 since a made a few typos. Grow up! You are obviously very petty like a petulant child.

Once again, you are not understanding that your Matthew 23 citation is irrelevant because, from the beginning, I was not addressing whether Jesus would send his apostles as prophets. For some reason you are failing to understand this fact. My position, as it relates to whether Jesus said he would send prophets like those in the Hebrew Scriptures is in the context of this thread and is absolutely correct. I'm not lying to save face; rather, I'm simply trying to point out that you are off base with your Matthew 23 citation, which for some reason you can't comprehend.
Xcaliber

Somerset, NJ

#550 Mar 1, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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If it was within the "context of the thread" you would of just posted and said that about Mohammed. But nope. You quoted me and then called me a liar for making a FACTUAL statement that Jesus said he would send prophets.
Anyone with half a brain would know that this thread is not whether Jesus said he would send his apostles as prophets; rather, whether Jesus would send other prophets like the prophets of the Hebrew Scriptures. I didn't need to qualify what I said because only clueless people like you believe Matthew 23 is in context with this thread. I said Mohammad was not a prophet because he would be someone who would fall in the context of this thread since Muslims claim he is a prophet like Moses and Deuteronomy 18:18 allegedly predicts his coming. DUH!
IamHim

United States

#551 Mar 1, 2013
It doesnt matter the "context of the thread" lol. The context of MY COMMENT (which you responded to) was Matthew 23. Can you explain what I said that was wrong?

Chosen said "If Jesus was perfect, what was the need for more prophets?"

I then said "Well Jesus said he would be sending more prophets".

How am I in the wrong?
ziedrict

Indonesia

#552 Mar 1, 2013
Challenge? WOW, aggressive religion you have

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