Rapture is False
buck

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#45 Nov 8, 2013
JohnnyTrunk wrote:
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If you read the Bible you will see that those taken up in the air are resurrected ones, that is what Paul was talking about the resurrection but you just take one verse out of context.
you're assuming in your mind that I am taking "one" verse out of context. I am speaking of more than one verse here, duh.
a total of 5 verses together tell of the "Rapture".
when one dies who is a stout believer in God, their spirit goes to heaven (the spiritual world). and those who have died we will meet them in the air, to meet the Lord. and our bodies shall be changed in the twinkling of an eye; corruptible to incorruptible, or one could say mortal to immortal. Those believers that have died are in heaven, but not their bodies, not until the Rapture time.
Read verse 14 again (1 Thessalonians chapter 4), God will bring those who have died with him when the Rapture occurs.
also read 1 Corinthians 15:49-54 for more clearer understanding of corruptible and incorruptible bodies. happy reading :)
JohnnyTrunk

Philadelphia, PA

#46 Nov 8, 2013
tahoegirl wrote:
com7fy8" Says:
But does He specify when the tares get burned?
Yes he does, it is before the wheat is dealt with.
Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Jesus starts talking about the wheat first, but in the same verse he abruptly changes subject in the second half of the verse to the tares. So he is telling us the order is the tares are taken care of first.
Then in verses 39-42 the only subject is the tares and the tares only.
Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
But then in verse 43 he changes subject back to the wheat and no only does he change subject he also says " Then shall" so he is placing an order of first the tares are dealt with and "then shall" the wheat be dealt with secondly
Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
com7fy8 says:
So, this could be taken to not be a match with Jesus saying the tares will be removed, first, after the harvest. But this is not what Paul wrote. So, do you also believe Revelation is false? Ones understand that John wrote Revelation. Do you believe John is legitimate, or not?
No, I don't believe Revelation is false nor do I think Revelation contradicts Mathew.
con7fy8 says:
And, as far as I can see, Paul does not contradict this timeline.
Paul's timeline is clearly different than what Jesus says.
Paul clearly say the righteous go first (rapture) and the evil ones are left to occupy the earth. This does not make any since, that would leave Jesus to have his thousand year reign with the evil ones, not his righteous saints in the thousand years. Jesus is not coming back to rule the evil people, he comes to rule the righteous as revelation says in verse 20:4.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
What Paul says makes no since at all, when put with what Jesus says and what John a real Apostle says. John's word line up exactly with Jesus and more so they make since with what Jesus says.
Luke 9:3 And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece.
Luke 9:4 And whatsoever house ye enter into, there abide, and thence depart.
Luke 9:5 And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.
Jesus was talking to his true chosen 12 Apostles which included John, not Paul. So who do I believe, I believe John and Jesus, who do you believe?
your getting close but there are only 144,0000 saints who go to heaven to rule with Chridt over the earth. and they are not raptures but they go to heaven right after they die.
1 Corinthians 15:51-52
Amplified Bible (AMP)
51 Take notice! I tell you a mystery (a secret truth, an event decreed by the hidden purpose or counsel of God). We shall not all fall asleep [in death], but we shall all be changed (transformed)
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the [sound of the] last trumpet call. For a trumpet will sound, and the dead [in Christ] will be raised imperishable (free and immune from decay), and we shall be changed (transformed)

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#47 Nov 9, 2013
tahoegirl wrote:
dollarsbill
Peter would also call you ignorant as Paul did, indeed.
I can see you have no knowledge to back up your point of view, other than insults, this is exactly why Christians have a bad name,because they run across, know it all, rude, and very obnoxious trolls like you. TROLL ON TROLL
Christians have 'a bad name' because of Bible haters like you.

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#48 Nov 9, 2013
JohnnyTrunk wrote:
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If you read the Bible you will see that those taken up in the air are resurrected ones, that is what Paul was talking about the resurrection but you just take one verse out of context.
Why do you insist on perverting the Bible?

"we which are alive and remain"

1 Thessalonians 4:17

King James Version (KJV)

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#49 Nov 9, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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Christians have 'a bad name' because of Bible haters like you.
Christians have a bad name because they're hypocrites. It takes a lot more than belief to get into heaven. There are no laws or rules of conduct in Christianity. Jesus allows the wicked into heaven and sends the righteous to hell. The living God does not judge like that. We will all be judged by our works. Christians carry on Satans work and perpetuates his lie in the Garden of Eden. Ezekiel 13:22. Satan wants to take as many people with him into hell as he can. Being a Christian is the first step in that process.

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#50 Nov 10, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Christians have a bad name because they're hypocrites. It takes a lot more than belief to get into heaven. There are no laws or rules of conduct in Christianity. Jesus allows the wicked into heaven and sends the righteous to hell. The living God does not judge like that. We will all be judged by our works. Christians carry on Satans work and perpetuates his lie in the Garden of Eden. Ezekiel 13:22. Satan wants to take as many people with him into hell as he can. Being a Christian is the first step in that process.
How long were you a deceived Christian SuzieQ?
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#51 Nov 10, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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How long were you a deceived Christian SuzieQ?
God revealed himself to me thirty years ago but I have never been a Christian. My parents are Christian and that's a big reason why I am not.
tahoegirl

Orlando, FL

#52 Nov 10, 2013
dollarsbill
Christians have 'a bad name' because of Bible haters like you.

No its because of people like you who don't have the guts to look at the truth, but can only spiel out the hatred you have learned form other ignorant people just like yourself. Your afraid of new ideals because you have no new ideals, all you do is go along with the crowd. Your a follower, not a leader, and if you were a leader you would lead into a ditch everyone that followed you.

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#53 Nov 10, 2013
Johnny Trunk wrote:
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John>>
If you read the Bible you will know the rapture is false.
Matthew 24:13
Expanded Bible (EXB)
13 But those people who ·keep their faith [endure; stand firm; persevere] until the end will be saved.
The word Rapture is not in the Bible, and as it is defined by the Catholic Protestants is a load of feces.

It is actually more Protestant then Catholic and it is a total load of "I WISH YOU WERE DEAD" attitude from people that are so Holy in their own mind GOD HIMSELF is going to come down out of the heavens and take them to Heaven while leaving the subjects of the "I wish you were Dead" to a fate worse than death.

It is total BS, not in Scripture, and expressed by mostly Protestants that follow Catholic traditions.
rapherty

United States

#54 Nov 10, 2013
Humanism:

Trust in visible authorities

Self righteousness and philosophy

Circus church

501c3 hidden agendas

Gnosticism

Freemasonry

Bible Christian:

Faith in Christ through faith

Deeds by faith as Lord leads

Ecclesia

Trust based on faith not church rituals or outside influences [worlds teachings]

The bible alone is the guide

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#55 Nov 10, 2013
tahoegirl wrote:
dollarsbill
Christians have 'a bad name' because of Bible haters like you.
No its because of people like you who don't have the guts to look at the truth, but can only spiel out the hatred you have learned form other ignorant people just like yourself. Your afraid of new ideals because you have no new ideals, all you do is go along with the crowd. Your a follower, not a leader, and if you were a leader you would lead into a ditch everyone that followed you.
Your problem is with God of the Bible, not me.

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#56 Nov 10, 2013
the perfect idiot wrote:
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The word Rapture is not in the Bible, and as it is defined by the Catholic Protestants is a load of feces.
It is actually more Protestant then Catholic and it is a total load of "I WISH YOU WERE DEAD" attitude from people that are so Holy in their own mind GOD HIMSELF is going to come down out of the heavens and take them to Heaven while leaving the subjects of the "I wish you were Dead" to a fate worse than death.
It is total BS, not in Scripture, and expressed by mostly Protestants that follow Catholic traditions.
Your problem is clearly illiteracy.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (NKJV)
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
JohnnyTrunk

Philadelphia, PA

#57 Nov 11, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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Why do you insist on perverting the Bible?
"we which are alive and remain"
1 Thessalonians 4:17
King James Version (KJV)
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Thats what happens when you take one scripture out of context now look at what the whole paragraph talks about its the resurrection.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
King James Version (KJV)
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

those who are alive one they die are caught up in the air with Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:51-52
Expanded Bible (EXB)
51 But look! I tell you ·this secret [a mystery; 2:1]: We will not all ·sleep in death [L&#8239;sleep; C&#8239;a euphemism for death], but we will all be changed. 52 It will ·take only a second [happen in a flash]—as quickly as an eye ·blinks [or twinkles]—when the last trumpet sounds. The trumpet will sound, and those who have died will be raised ·to live forever [imperishable; incorruptible], and we will be changed [1 Thess. 4:13–17].

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#58 Nov 16, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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Your problem is clearly illiteracy.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (NKJV)
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Paul is the false prophet written of in Revelations.

Paul is the false prophet
The Catholic Church is the beast
and
The mark of the beast is Sunday worship especially Easter Sunday.

TEST Paul against the rest of scripture,
Paul HIMSELF, says what he does he does not of GOD but of Paul.
Paul HIMSELF says what he does is not from GOD, But from He himself Paul.

READ IT, it is in the BIBLE.
Paul's teachings according to Paul Are from Paul, and Paul says explicitly not from GOD but from Paul.

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#59 Nov 16, 2013
Oh, PS.

The Rapture is false.

We are stuck on this Planet and Lucky to be.

Our job is to make the Planet a paradise so Beautiful GOD will come down from the Heavens to walk in our gardens.

No Genie POOF, the magic Genie god transforms the world,

but hard work and plant and animal husbandry and LITERALLY turn this would into a Garden Paradise.

A Jewel to behold from the heavens above.

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#60 Nov 16, 2013
the perfect idiot wrote:
Oh, PS.
The Rapture is false.
We are stuck on this Planet and Lucky to be.
Our job is to make the Planet a paradise so Beautiful GOD will come down from the Heavens to walk in our gardens.
No Genie POOF, the magic Genie god transforms the world,
but hard work and plant and animal husbandry and LITERALLY turn this would into a Garden Paradise.
A Jewel to behold from the heavens above.
Good to se you back!

I must agree in what you just said and it is our job entirely to preserve this planet so that future generations can inherit and prosper.

But I am very pessimistic about the human attitude; we are too much self concerned.
We are wasting all the resources and will probably leave a world in ruins to the future generations.

We can’t see our brothers of the future as clearly as someone beside us now, because we can’t see them then we don’t care.
buck

AOL

#61 Nov 17, 2013
btw there are a lot of words that are used on Sunday morning to describe events in the Bible and those to yet occur. When we are caught up in the air to meet the Lord and those who have died before, it is like a sweet carrying away which is termed as "rapture" or
"raptured". but God is still "one" not two or three,
God never said he was a trinity, that was something man drummed up. A lie planted by the devil no less.
buck

AOL

#62 Nov 17, 2013
mr. ironhart has made a good valid point, just because we cannot see our future brothers and sisters does not mean we should not care what they will have when it's their time to populate the earth.
Activists are preserving certain areas of trees, not only for the beauty of earth but for future generations.
God4life

Torrance, CA

#63 Nov 18, 2013
Just check out these websites for those not bible savvy
www.cuttingedge.org
www.jesuslifenow.wordpress.com
Reasoningwiththe Scripture

Torrance, CA

#64 Nov 18, 2013
I think the Paul hater is an Atheist. As bible believers the bible says not to argue over silly things...that's what is going on here.

Here is help for the Atheist and anyone else with questions.

here's the website... net-burst.net

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