Godless ministers in the end times

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“Protest / support the marchers”

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#1 Dec 19, 2011
Does your minister, televangelist, and church worship The Almighty Dollar?
What other things are ministers doing to deceive people in these times?
Whether or not you’re in a Godless church, what are your personal responsibilities as Christians?
Why is a second Reformation needed?
How are churches promoting child abuse?
How are they preaching the opposite of what Jesus taught?
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“Protest / support the marchers”

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#2 Dec 19, 2011
servant

Mérida, Mexico

#3 Jan 16, 2012
Let’s begin by saying Priests and Preachers today attend a theological college or university for four years: to study the Dogma of their personally selected sect of Christianity: such as, Baptist, Lutheran, Presbyterian, or Roman Catholic ect... There are control systems in place to insure that future Christian preachers are taught particular principles that foster their narrow views of the Bible, or they can forget about getting work as preachers and since their salaries depend upon the bosses above them, they are very limited as to what they may tell people about the Bible. Self-made preachers and evangelists depend upon their congregations not getting offended by what they teach. So, they are willing to alter Biblical truths in order to maintain their lifestyles and livelihood. Therefore, the fear of losing their incomes and jobs keeps them from coming to a full knowledge and understanding of the truth, which fear opposes the teachings of Jesus, who said:“Count all things lost!”

READ------>2 TIMOTHY 3:1-7

Over time many Preachers have allowed themselves to be deceived, and have altered and learned how to put a spin on Biblical information in order to raise themselves up over their congregations, instead of serving their congregations ( MATTHEW 23:8-12 ) & ( 1 PETER 5). This is why Preachers in every sect of Christianity were, and still are, interpreting the Bible differently. This has created so many theories concerning what the Bible actually says, that people, in general, realize something is wrong with Christianity which becomes their excuse for not attending church and they are right in doing so, because they realize someone is lying. But the people's mistake is trusting other people’s interpretation of the Bible. People should read the Bible for themselves and hold their teachers accountable by comparing what the Bible is saying to what their teachers are teaching them, instead of just trusting what their preachers are dictating to them. And if the preacher is teaching something that is contrary to what the Apostles or Jesus (Galatians 1:6-10) is teaching then they should simply walk out. Reading and studying the Bible for yourself is the only way to identify the liars. People are erring by blaming God and His Word for being a liar, instead of exposing their teachers as the liars. The entire purpose of having a written record (the Bible) to confer with is so that we can circumnavigate the cunning deceitful descendants of antichrists, who knowingly or unknowingly (it does not matter) are actively and successfully working against Christ; who if told they are antichrists, will arduously disagree with you, because they refuse the truth of God and love a lie!(2 CORINTHIANS 11:13-15)=( 2 TIMOTHY 2:25-26). The truth of God is located right in their Bibles, but they being blinded because of their unbelief which is spawned by their love of money, cannot see the simplicity of God’s truth even though they read it for themselves; and therefore, must teach their lies which will judge them and their followers when the great and dreadful day of the Lord comes.

The Bible is a stepping-stone to reach the rock of our faith, upon which is chiseled the secrets from the foundation of the world. Secrets that are only revealed to those sent by God to allow Jesus’ voice to speak from within themselves, so His sheep can hear it and follow Him (Jesus, also known as and called the Word of God; Revelation 19:13)

READ --------> JOHN 10 ---->JOHN 8:31---->Matthew 4:19
QUITTNER

Toronto, Canada

#4 Jan 16, 2012
11:12 am, Monday, January 16, 2012:
RE: Godless ministers in the end times
..... As I understand it, some ministers start out as idealists trying to really help the many under their care who need and want help, but these ministers soon "lose their faith" and it just gets to be a ("cushy"?)job that doesn't really need much effort, talking on Sundays about what they have been told to teach and what they are supposed to believe.
..... Some years ago I was asked what I would do if I would be a part of clergy even if I don't believe "all that stuff", and I replied I would do what my employers would expect me to do, to the beast of my knowledge, even if I won't believe what I would be talking about.

“Protest / support the marchers”

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#5 Jan 16, 2012
servant wrote:
Let’s begin by saying Priests and Preachers today attend a theological college or university for four years: to study the Dogma of their personally selected sect of Christianity: such as, Baptist, Lutheran, Presbyterian, or Roman Catholic ect... There are control systems in place to insure that future Christian preachers are taught particular principles that foster their narrow views of the Bible, or they can forget about getting work as preachers and since their salaries depend upon the bosses above them, they are very limited as to what they may tell people about the Bible. Self-made preachers and evangelists depend upon their congregations not getting offended by what they teach. So, they are willing to alter Biblical truths in order to maintain their lifestyles and livelihood. Therefore, the fear of losing their incomes and jobs keeps them from coming to a full knowledge and understanding of the truth, which fear opposes the teachings of Jesus, who said:“Count all things lost!”
READ------>2 TIMOTHY 3:1-7
Over time many Preachers have allowed themselves to be deceived, and have altered and learned how to put a spin on Biblical information in order to raise themselves up over their congregations, instead of serving their congregations ( MATTHEW 23:8-12 ) & ( 1 PETER 5). This is why Preachers in every sect of Christianity were, and still are, interpreting the Bible differently. This has created so many theories concerning what the Bible actually says, that people, in general, realize something is wrong with Christianity which becomes their excuse for not attending church and they are right in doing so, because they realize someone is lying. But the people's mistake is trusting other people’s interpretation of the Bible. People should read the Bible for themselves and hold their teachers accountable by comparing what the Bible is saying to what their teachers are teaching them, instead of just trusting what their preachers are dictating to them. And if the preacher is teaching something that is contrary to what the Apostles or Jesus (Galatians 1:6-10) is teaching then they should simply walk out. Reading and studying the Bible for yourself is the only way to identify the liars. People are erring by blaming God and His Word for being a liar, instead of exposing their teachers as the liars. The entire purpose of having a written record (the Bible) to confer with is so that we can circumnavigate the cunning deceitful descendants of antichrists, who knowingly or unknowingly (it does not matter) are actively and successfully working against Christ; who if told they are antichrists, will arduously disagree with you, because they refuse the truth of God and love a lie!(2 CORINTHIANS 11:13-15)=( 2 TIMOTHY 2:25-26). The truth of God is located right in their Bibles, but they being blinded because of their unbelief which is spawned by their love of money, cannot see the simplicity of God’s truth even though they read it for themselves; and therefore, must teach their lies which will judge them and their followers when the great and dreadful day of the Lord comes.
The Bible is a stepping-stone to reach the rock of our faith, upon which is chiseled the secrets from the foundation of the world. Secrets that are only revealed to those sent by God to allow Jesus’ voice to speak from within themselves, so His sheep can hear it and follow Him (Jesus, also known as and called the Word of God; Revelation 19:13)
READ --------> JOHN 10 ---->JOHN 8:31---->Matthew 4:19
You've really thought this all out -- thanks for sharing your thoughts. You said it so much better than I do.
I'm most amazed at ministers and televangelists who are known around the world, yet we see them deceiving thousands with things that are the opposite of basic Bible teachings.
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“Protest / support the marchers”

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#6 Jan 16, 2012
I always wonder -- what happened to them to turn them in the wrong direction. Obviously, Satan knew their weak points.
That's why true Christians need to spread the Gospel to the whole world,and keep it simple. We need to use the internet while we still have access to it.
I hope you consider getting a website and setting up an online church, and posting the link here.

“Protest / support the marchers”

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#7 Jan 16, 2012
servant wrote:
Let’s begin by saying Priests and Preachers today attend a theological college or university for four years: to study the Dogma of their personally selected sect of Christianity: such as, Baptist, Lutheran, Presbyterian, or Roman Catholic ect... There are control systems in place to insure that future Christian preachers are taught particular principles that foster their narrow views of the Bible, or they can forget about getting work as preachers and since their salaries depend upon the bosses above them, they are very limited as to what they may tell people about the Bible. Self-made preachers and evangelists depend upon their congregations not getting offended by what they teach. So, they are willing to alter Biblical truths in order to maintain their lifestyles and livelihood. Therefore, the fear of losing their incomes and jobs keeps them from coming to a full knowledge and understanding of the truth, which fear opposes the teachings of Jesus, who said:“Count all things lost!”
READ------>2 TIMOTHY 3:1-7
Over time many Preachers have allowed themselves to be deceived, and have altered and learned how to put a spin on Biblical information in order to raise themselves up over their congregations, instead of serving their congregations ( MATTHEW 23:8-12 ) & ( 1 PETER 5). This is why Preachers in every sect of Christianity were, and still are, interpreting the Bible differently. This has created so many theories concerning what the Bible actually says, that people, in general, realize something is wrong with Christianity which becomes their excuse for not attending church and they are right in doing so, because they realize someone is lying. But the people's mistake is trusting other people’s interpretation of the Bible. People should read the Bible for themselves and hold their teachers accountable by comparing what the Bible is saying to what their teachers are teaching them, instead of just trusting what their preachers are dictating to them. And if the preacher is teaching something that is contrary to what the Apostles or Jesus (Galatians 1:6-10) is teaching then they should simply walk out. Reading and studying the Bible for yourself is the only way to identify the liars. People are erring by blaming God and His Word for being a liar, instead of exposing their teachers as the liars. The entire purpose of having a written record (the Bible) to confer with is so that we can circumnavigate the cunning deceitful descendants of antichrists, who knowingly or unknowingly (it does not matter) are actively and successfully working against Christ; who if told they are antichrists, will arduously disagree with you, because they refuse the truth of God and love a lie!(2 CORINTHIANS 11:13-15)=( 2 TIMOTHY 2:25-26). The truth of God is located right in their Bibles, but they being blinded because of their unbelief which is spawned by their love of money, cannot see the simplicity of God’s truth even though they read it for themselves; and therefore, must teach their lies which will judge them and their followers when the great and dreadful day of the Lord comes.
The Bible is a stepping-stone to reach the rock of our faith, upon which is chiseled the secrets from the foundation of the world. Secrets that are only revealed to those sent by God to allow Jesus’ voice to speak from within themselves, so His sheep can hear it and follow Him (Jesus, also known as and called the Word of God; Revelation 19:13)
READ --------> JOHN 10 ---->JOHN 8:31---->Matthew 4:19
Topix deleted my reply, so here it is again:
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“Protest / support the marchers”

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#8 Jan 16, 2012
You've really thought this all out -- thanks for sharing your thoughts. You said it so much better than I do.
I'm most amazed at ministers and televangelists who are known around the world, yet we see them deceiving thousands with things that are the opposite of basic Bible teachings.
I always wonder -- what happened to them to turn
them in the wrong direction. Obviously, Satan knew their weak points.
That's why true Christians need to spread the Gospel to the whole world, and keep it simple. We need to use the internet while we still have access to it.
I hope you consider getting a website and setting up an online church, and posting the link here.

“Protest / support the marchers”

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#9 Jan 16, 2012
Topix had deleted my post, so I posted again, so just ignore post #6.

“Protest / support the marchers”

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#10 Jan 29, 2012
The role of the Clergy Response Team will be to use the clergy to control people who would want to fight evil, and the loss of democracy.
The clergy will tell the masses they must obey the government, using the Bible. Those who always obey 'daddy' will be lost.
Those who know enough to suspect leaders who claim to represent God, but do just the opposite, are listening to Satan.
We see much more of that today, with preachers telling people to vote Republican greed, to pray for wealth, to focus on money, that you'll know that God favors you if you get more money, that you must donate to them and God will reward you financially, etc.
IT'S NOT ABOUT MONEY. It's about salvation, spreading the Gospel as fast as possible, and helping others. True Christians know that, fake Christians follow evil leaders, and there‘s nothing more evil than claiming to speak for God while doing evil, because that makes God the bad guy.
Christians, especially those who voted Republican, must help fight the New World Order, 666, for the sake of those who will be lost otherwise.
The Rothschilds are the Federal Reserve company - not part of the federal government, but a private company with stockholders. Rothschild isn’t even their real name, and they’re not genetic Jews, but fake Jews, so the entire world will turn against all Jews.
We must stand by Israel, and help spread the truth about all this as fast as possible. Go online, using the information provided in the following links:
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“Protest / support the marchers”

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#11 Jan 29, 2012
www.legalparasites.net - Information about the Fed. All we have on our side is truth - something they have no defense against.

“Protest / support the marchers”

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#12 Jan 29, 2012
It's your obligation to find out if your minister is using all available money to spread the Gospel, using roaming ministers who can reach more people, like Jesus did.
You also need to find out if your church or buildings are insured with Guide One, the company that committed hundreds of felonies to protect child abusers.
That makes some churches and ministers no better than the Catholic abusers.

“Protest / support the marchers”

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#13 Apr 9, 2012
&fe ature=related
Clergy Response Team @ 5:30 , used in New Orleans, teaching people to obey govt. using Rom. 13
firefromheaven

Las Vegas, NV

#14 Apr 16, 2012
They even make fire fall from heaven if you haven't noticed.

No wonder people would believe it.

I know this because they tried it out on me.
Punisher

Massapequa Park, NY

#17 Apr 16, 2012
servant wrote:
Let’s begin by saying Priests and Preachers today attend a theological college or university for four years: to study the Dogma of their personally selected sect of Christianity: such as, Baptist, Lutheran, Presbyterian, or Roman Catholic ect... There are control systems in place to insure that future Christian preachers are taught particular principles that foster their narrow views of the Bible, or they can forget about getting work as preachers and since their salaries depend upon the bosses above them, they are very limited as to what they may tell people about the Bible. Self-made preachers and evangelists depend upon their congregations not getting offended by what they teach. So, they are willing to alter Biblical truths in order to maintain their lifestyles and livelihood. Therefore, the fear of losing their incomes and jobs keeps them from coming to a full knowledge and understanding of the truth, which fear opposes the teachings of Jesus, who said:“Count all things lost!”
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No, NOT all attend accredited Divinity schools that teach a historical-critical POV. And of those who do - MOST do not take what they learned about the Bible, the history, etc to the pulpit. But leave it behind them as it will cause conflict in the flock when they "hit the streets to preach".

There is no Preacher Authority that regulates what a Proty teacher will, can and do preach. Which is untrue for the RCC, and Orthodox churches - who do teach a deep and critical analysis of the Bible, its interpretations, theology and doctrines.

This looser approach has been the backbone of Protestantism since the Reformation.
Big Al

Abingdon, IL

#20 Apr 17, 2012
"Religion supports nobody. It has to be supported. It produces no wheat, no corn; it ploughs no land; it fells no forests. It is a perpetual mendicant [beggar]. It lives on the labors of others, and then has the arrogance to pretend that it supports the giver." ~Robert G. Ingersoll (Civil War veteran, American political leader, and orator)

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#22 Apr 17, 2012
mandad wrote:
What About the Atheists?
When Christopher Hitchens observes that,“Religion is violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children,” he is both right and wrong.
Hitchens is right because humankind is sinful and selfish. Indeed, I believe it was G.K. Chesterton who said that the one Christian doctrine that was demonstrably provable, even to casual observers, was the sinfulness and depravity of man. Thus, human expressions of the religious impulse will inevitably produce some religious practices and beliefs that would fit Hitchens’ rather grim description.
Human history is replete with such flawed expressions of religious faith.
However, this would be true of all secular philosophies and ideologies as well. Three of the most heinous and barbaric ideologies, which produced the greatest cruelties and violations of humanity in the 20th century, were fascism, Nazism and communism — all secular.
Hitchens is wrong in that he condemns all religious expression to the category of such violent and negative expressions. Many of the noblest expressions of humanity throughout the centuries have been performed in the name of religion.
One thinks of William Wilberforce and his long campaign to end the slave trade in the British Empire. Both the British and American abolitionist movements were founded, nurtured, financed and led to victory against the horrific evil of slavery by people who were most often inspired and motivated by deep religious conviction.
The great social reform movements of the last half of the 19th and the first half of the 20th century (child labor reform, etc.) were often led by people of deep religious faith, Protestant and Catholic.
And of course, in the lifetime of many of us who were born in the last half of the 20th century, the most successful and greatest reform movement was the civil rights revolution, led by a Baptist minister, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., who often said that the movement and the faith that inspired it could not be separated.
As many will remember, the civil rights revolution was supported by and led to victory in large part because of the leadership of clergy, black and white.
Lastly, one is led to ask Mr. Hitchens some questions. Where are the great atheist-sponsored charitable and reform movements? Where are the atheist children homes and orphanages? Where are the atheist leaders who are taking vows of poverty and giving themselves in sacrificial service to others?
As Arthur C. Brooks, professor at Syracuse University, points out in his recent book, Who Really Cares?(2006): Religious people are far more generous with their own time and money than secularists. Brooks concludes,“Religious folks are by far the most charitable people in America today.”
..... Dr Richard Land = http://richardlandlive.com/archive/
My dog is named after William Wilberforce: Reverend Wilberforce Washington White, DD. He's a better Christian than you'll ever be. I mostly call him Wilber. If I call him Wilberforce he knows he's in trouble.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#23 Apr 17, 2012
That is his real name. In case you didn't notice, I was ridiculing your 'holier than thou' attitude which makes you no Christian at all.

“Protest / support the marchers”

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#25 Apr 18, 2012
mandad wrote:
For such men are false apostles .. deceitful workmen .. masquerading as apostles of Christ ... And no wonder .. for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light ... It is not surprising .. then .. if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness ... Their end will be what their actions deserve ...... II Corinthians 11:13 ... is anyone here surprized ??.. you shouldn't be
This is absolutely right, but I'm shocked that so many people blindly follow manipulators who clearly want money and power.
How can the leaders be so blind, when we all know that Bible verse where they're judged, and sanctimoniously defend themselves, saying they did things in God's name, but He says He never knew them? I'm just amazed that ministers who studied the Bible are so spiritually blind.
Those who choose to follow those human beings, instead of reading the Bible to verify what they're told, have no excuse. I believe they plan to dump all the blame on the ministers, but it won't work, and they'll get the judgment they deserve.
We all love having free choice, so we can't criticize God for giving us religious free choice.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#28 Apr 19, 2012
mandad wrote:
<quoted text>
Believe me ..(in and of myself) I am holier than no-one .. might even call me the chief of sinners .... but thank you Jesus
You post it you own it.

"Lastly, one is led to ask Mr. Hitchens some questions. Where are the great atheist-sponsored charitable and reform movements? Where are the atheist children homes and orphanages? Where are the atheist leaders who are taking vows of poverty and giving themselves in sacrificial service to others?"

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