Crucifixion Before Passover
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Ben Masada

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#82 Feb 26, 2013
buck wrote:
well Ben Masada your #47 post cannot be right either. Friday 5 pm to Sunday morning IS NOT a 72 hour period.
Did you forget that in all of your calculations? how convenient of you.
3 days is a 72 hour time period even a 3rd grader knows that today lol.
oh yeah I forgot you're right and everyone else is wrong. LOL
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But we have in Matthew 12:40 three days and three nights. That's okay 72 hours as long as we have three days and three nights. Can you figure three days and three nights in 72 hours? If you do, let me know.
buck

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#83 Feb 26, 2013
Ben Masada wrote:
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I do know. That's why I challenge what you know because I am sure it is not in the Tanach. I am still waithing for the proofs that Jesus is in the Tanach.
Ezekiel 18:4 has nothing at all to do with bodily resurrection. As a Christian, you should think twice or more to bring up such a quote. "The soul that sinneth, it shall die." Jesus died, didn't he? Therefore, he was a sinner too.
Ben
you just again proved my point Ben Masada
You are claiming that Jesus was a sinner! if so
HE COULD NOT HAVE DIED FOR OUR SINS! THINK TWICE!
Jesus did what the Father did, so in essence you are saying that the Father sinned also.
NOW YOU ARE TOTALLY INSANE AND RIDICULOUS!!!
And you are calling GOD/Jesus a liar!
How else can the blood of Jesus cleanse us from sin if one considers Jesus a sinner? His blood would be considered blemished.
Ben Masada you are wacko whoever you are!
John 1:1 .." and the Word was GOD."
John 1:14 " And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us...."
so you want to believe and tell people that Jesus who was GOD in human form sinned because he died.
that is your only defense! go to Bible school.
buck

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#84 Feb 26, 2013
Ben Masada wrote:
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But we have in Matthew 12:40 three days and three nights. That's okay 72 hours as long as we have three days and three nights. Can you figure three days and three nights in 72 hours? If you do, let me know.
Do you actually hear yourself when you're writing?
YOu don't have to convince me it was 3 days and 3 nights. I pointed it out to you as you forgot what 3 days was equal to in hours. LOL
buck

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#85 Feb 26, 2013
especially for Ben Masada of Los Angeles CA.
2 Corinthians chapter 5, verses 19-21
" To wit, that God was in Christ, recon-
ciling the world unto himself, not imputting their trespasses unto them;
and hath committed unto us the word of
reconciliation;
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."

JESUS KNEW NO SIN! If Jesus would have actually sinned He could never have been the sacrifice for our sin. if you recall that a sacrifice had to be without spot or blemish for God to accept it for a sin offering.
GOD WAS "IN" CHRIST the unseen Spirit,
the invisible GOD!

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#86 Feb 26, 2013
Ben Masada wrote:
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The Jews did not and do not believe in bodily resurrection. And to quote that they did, you say, "See Tanach Scriptures." You must surely be kidding! Is that how you quote? And then all of a sudden you decide to give the right way to quote and bring up several ones
that have nothing to do with bodily resurrection. The quote of Isaiah for example, is a reference to the Jews from exile. If you read Isaiah 53:8,9 every time the Jews were forced out into exile it was as if they had been cut off out of the Land of the Living which is the Land of Israel and graves were assigned for them among the Gentiles. At the end of the exile, the Lord would open those graves and bring them back to the Land of Israel.(Eze. 37:12)
That's the kind of resurrection we believe in. Bodily resurrection is a Pauline fabrication in the NT.
Ben
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Wrong! See my quote from the Jewish Encyclopedia above.

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#87 Feb 26, 2013
Ben Masada wrote:
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I have two translations of the Bible NAB and KJB. They say the same. You must be reading from Allen's version of the NT.
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All 4 gospels agree that Jesus was crucified on Paraskeue, which was the Greek word for Friday!

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#88 Feb 26, 2013
Ben Masada wrote:
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Allen, I can't take your word for it. You seem to be talking about a different gospel that is not in NT. Besides, your calculations have nothing to do with Jewish culture with references to days and nights.
Ben
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Nonsense! I quoted from the Jewish Encyclopedia and an article which quoted the Talmud. The scriptural accounts which show that Jesus was crucified shortly before sunset on Friday and resurrected just before dawn on Sunday. It was a common Jewish idiom to consider any part of a day as a full day.

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#89 Feb 26, 2013
Ben Masada wrote:
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The Jews did not and do not believe in bodily resurrection. And to quote that they did, you say, "See Tanach Scriptures." You must surely be kidding! Is that how you quote? And then all of a sudden you decide to give the right way to quote and bring up several ones
that have nothing to do with bodily resurrection. The quote of Isaiah for example, is a reference to the Jews from exile. If you read Isaiah 53:8,9 every time the Jews were forced out into exile it was as if they had been cut off out of the Land of the Living which is the Land of Israel and graves were assigned for them among the Gentiles. At the end of the exile, the Lord would open those graves and bring them back to the Land of Israel.(Eze. 37:12)
That's the kind of resurrection we believe in. Bodily resurrection is a Pauline fabrication in the NT.
Ben
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You apparently know about as much about Jewish history as someone with Down's Syndrome knows about quantum physics. Here from the Talmud. Which is available online at at least two sites. "sacred texts" and "come and hear." And this is from only one tractate Resurrection is mentioned in at least 7 other tractatee.
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Talmud-Tractate Sanhedrin 90a and b.

GEMARA. And why such [severity]?— A Tanna taught: Since he denied the resurrection of the dead, therefore he shall not share in that resurrection, for in all the measures [of punishment or reward] taken by the Holy One, blessed be He, the Divine act befits the [human] deed.

How is resurrection derived from the Torah?— As it is written, And ye shall give thereof the Lord's heave offering to Aaron the priest.3 But would Aaron live for ever; he did not even enter Palestine, that terumah4 should be given him?5 But it teaches that he would be resurrected, and Israel give him terumah. Thus resurrection is derived from the Torah.

It has been taught: R. Simai said: Whence do we learn resurrection from the Torah?— From the verse, And I also have established my covenant with them,[sc. the Patriarchs] to give them the land of Canaan:14 '[to give] you' is not said, but 'to give them'[personally]; thus resurrection is proved from the Torah.15
Sectarians [minim]17 asked Rabban Gamaliel: Whence do we know that the Holy One, blessed be He, will resurrect the dead? He answered them from the Torah, the Prophets, and the Hagiographa, yet they did not accept it [as conclusive proof].'From the Torah': for it is written, And the Lord said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers and rise up [again].

It has been taught: R. Eliezer, son of R. Jose, said: In this matter I refuted the books of the sectarians,26 who maintained that resurrection is not deducible from the Torah. I said to them: You have falsified your Torah,27 yet it has availed you nothing. For ye maintain that resurrection is not a Biblical doctrine, but it is written,[Because he hath despised the word of the Lord, and hath broken his commandment], that soul shall utterly be cut off28 [Heb. hikkareth tikkareth]; his iniquity shall be upon him.29 Now,[seeing that] he shall utterly be cut off in this world, when shall his iniquity be upon him? surely in the next world.

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