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#1 Jun 7, 2012
Does the god you worship torture wicked people forever and ever?
If so,What quality would you describe this as?

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#2 Jun 7, 2012
strongerthandeath wrote:
Does the god you worship torture wicked people forever and ever?
If so,What quality would you describe this as?
To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God's merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called "hell." Th "quality" is called permanent.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

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#3 Jun 7, 2012
strongerthandeath wrote:
Does the god you worship torture wicked people forever and ever?
If so,What quality would you describe this as?
Divine retribution.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Rio Rancho, NM

#4 Jun 7, 2012
strongerthandeath wrote:
Does the god you worship torture wicked people forever and ever?
If so,What quality would you describe this as?
From God's point of view it's probably called 'getting even'.

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#6 Jun 7, 2012
Or what we know as the good old”an eye for an eye” principle.

This is where I think Christianity failed to explain it properly.
But then they didn’t know better at that time?

When someone does wrong, then it isn’t what is named as “sin” it could have many causes but “sin” is a misleading idea.
And we have to understand evolution in order to understand the causes and reactions.

The main causes of bad behaviour are the fighting for our own survival and thereby our fight for a better position among the rest, aggressive behaviour.
And more often than not this might threaten the position of others or directly do harm to them.

The answer to that is defence by biting, scratching and crushing back on the aggressor in the purpose of making him respect your possession, and a warning to others to stay away from attacking your interests or the interest of your social group.
But we are living in a complex world and understanding the social patterns are not always that easy, it might be enough to explain what is acceptable and what is not.

It is about making people understand and respect their position among all the rest, and not to continue making trouble among others.
There are of course people who are unable to get the point for some reason and it might be necessary to stop them by force, all in the interest of everybody else.

But when it comes to the idea of paying back for “sin” in “afterlife” by suffering in “hellfire”; that is all illogical made up stuff.
At the best it is a warning or threatening of some sort, but with motives of rather suspect nature.
And it has been abused on purpose and unknowingly during the centuries, and it has caused a lot of unnecessary suffering and harm.
Big Al

Hanna City, IL

#7 Jun 8, 2012
Star_Walker wrote:
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The God I know has never even remotely implied that I worship him. It is only vainglorious demons who pretend to be "gods" that demand worship.
And the God I know does not torture any soul, he loves them all. Even those like Wayne, SeenDemons, NDanger, etc.
"I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time." - Friedrich Nietzsche

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#8 Jun 8, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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Divine retribution.
So where is the justice? As in eye for eye toothy for tooth?
What if these sinners never tortured anyone even for 24 hours.
Not many have you know.
Where in the old testament is torture ever the punishment for any crime?

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#9 Jun 8, 2012
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God's merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called "hell." Th "quality" is called permanent.
Quite an idea. However, do the scriptures teach this?
separated how???

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#10 Jun 8, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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From God's point of view it's probably called 'getting even'.
However any of these wicked people tortured others in their lifetime, it is impossible that they did or can torture anyone forever.
So how is this justice??? It is not even, it is very very uneven.

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#11 Jun 8, 2012
Mr Ironhart wrote:
Or what we know as the good old”an eye for an eye” principle.
This is where I think Christianity failed to explain it properly.
But then they didn’t know better at that time?
When someone does wrong, then it isn’t what is named as “sin” it could have many causes but “sin” is a misleading idea.
And we have to understand evolution in order to understand the causes and reactions.
The main causes of bad behaviour are the fighting for our own survival and thereby our fight for a better position among the rest, aggressive behaviour.
And more often than not this might threaten the position of others or directly do harm to them.
The answer to that is defence by biting, scratching and crushing back on the aggressor in the purpose of making him respect your possession, and a warning to others to stay away from attacking your interests or the interest of your social group.
But we are living in a complex world and understanding the social patterns are not always that easy, it might be enough to explain what is acceptable and what is not.
It is about making people understand and respect their position among all the rest, and not to continue making trouble among others.
There are of course people who are unable to get the point for some reason and it might be necessary to stop them by force, all in the interest of everybody else.
But when it comes to the idea of paying back for “sin” in “afterlife” by suffering in “hellfire”; that is all illogical made up stuff.
At the best it is a warning or threatening of some sort, but with motives of rather suspect nature.
And it has been abused on purpose and unknowingly during the centuries, and it has caused a lot of unnecessary suffering and harm.
evolution and so-called science also seek to destroy the truth of God and completely do away with his word.

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#12 Jun 8, 2012
Big Al wrote:
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"I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time." - Friedrich Nietzsche
God never said praise me.
But the apostles did.
Not the fake hypocryical kind of mechanical praise which is worthless in the eyes of God.
But to know him is to love him.
And he deserves our praise and is worthy of all praise and honor and glory. But many are called and few chosen.

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#13 Jun 8, 2012
EXPLAIN this..

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
Rev 20:14

Roland_Deschain

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

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#14 Jun 8, 2012
strongerthandeath wrote:
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But to know him is to love him.
"I must be a hell of a man.
Oh lord it's hard to be humble,
but I'm doing the best that I can."

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Rio Rancho, NM

#15 Jun 8, 2012
strongerthandeath wrote:
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However any of these wicked people tortured others in their lifetime, it is impossible that they did or can torture anyone forever.
So how is this justice??? It is not even, it is very very uneven.
We're talking afronts agains God Almighty here, not some petty grammar school squabble.

Whatsoever is under the whole heaven is Mine.
-- Job 41
Big Al

Hanna City, IL

#17 Jun 8, 2012
strongerthandeath wrote:
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God never said praise me.
But the apostles did.
Not the fake hypocryical kind of mechanical praise which is worthless in the eyes of God.
But to know him is to love him.
And he deserves our praise and is worthy of all praise and honor and glory. But many are called and few chosen.
So are you saying “God” doesn’t really care about human praise?

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#18 Jun 8, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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Divine retribution.
Wow DL!, I am duly impressed...

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#19 Jun 8, 2012
strongerthandeath wrote:
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However any of these wicked people tortured others in their lifetime, it is impossible that they did or can torture anyone forever.
So how is this justice??? It is not even, it is very very uneven.
In todays society, everyone is so concerned that we are all winners...

I was listening to a commentary about a guy disciplining his daughter because of something she had done. She of course was whining and he doled out her punishment. The parallel to the story was that in our own earthly lives, some don't think GOD's judgement is fair or "uneven" as you state. This person's answer about GOD was, GOD isn't fair, HE is Just...

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#20 Jun 8, 2012
NDanger wrote:
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In todays society, everyone is so concerned that we are all winners...
I was listening to a commentary about a guy disciplining his daughter because of something she had done. She of course was whining and he doled out her punishment. The parallel to the story was that in our own earthly lives, some don't think GOD's judgement is fair or "uneven" as you state. This person's answer about GOD was, GOD isn't fair, HE is Just...
Are you talking about the God of the OT? If so, you better read it again.
Sola Scriptura

Statts Mills, WV

#21 Jun 8, 2012
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God's merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called "hell." Th "quality" is called permanent.
Trying to sugar coat it Nettie? Hell don't sound so bad coming from a klutz like you. I suppose though this is what you would want hell to be like seeing you just might go there since you are not sure of your salvation.
Sola Scriptura

Statts Mills, WV

#22 Jun 8, 2012
Star_Walker wrote:
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The God I know has never even remotely implied that I worship him. It is only vainglorious demons who pretend to be "gods" that demand worship.
And the God I know does not torture any soul, he loves them all. Even those like Wayne, SeenDemons, NDanger, etc.
The god you know is satan and you ARE worshiping him numnutz everytime you put him above the REAL, TRUE God.

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