BISHOP Romney
Sola Scriptura

United States

#141 Oct 9, 2012
FSM wrote:
<quoted text>As I asked AR, what is the point of including a prophecy in the OT that cannot be verified as being fulfilled?(ie. virgin birth)
You have no faith FSM. Until you do you are lost. PERIOD.
Sola Scriptura

United States

#142 Oct 9, 2012
FSM wrote:
<quoted text>That's not a bible passage, that's a Christian-biased interpretation of the chapter. Look at your link again.
What other interpretation can there be? If you look at the first chapter of Acts it lines up perfectly with Zechariah 14 as far as the Lords second coming. You WILLINGLY are blind.

Jazybird58

“Reality bites”

Since: Dec 11

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#143 Oct 9, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't vote for the non-Christian Obama.
Right, you gonna vote for the non christian Romney?
Sola Scriptura

United States

#144 Oct 10, 2012
Jazybird58 wrote:
<quoted text>Right, you gonna vote for the non christian Romney?
Now, that's really none of your business, is it? I won't vote for Obama, so IF I vote....

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#145 Oct 10, 2012
Tickedoffchick wrote:
<quoted text>
It's people like you, who vote for all the wrong reasons that have this country in the mess it's in. You shouldn't vote, at all.
I'm not happy with either candidate, but religion certainly doesn't factor into my reasoning.
Seriously? blaming it on "them" who voted in those in turn who ruined this country?

It's a little more "involved" than that...
FSM

Cranbourne, Australia

#146 Oct 10, 2012
Allen Richards wrote:
Israel was a type of the coming Messiah. As Jesus was God's firstborn son, Israel was also called firstborn son.
Exo 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Matthew saw the parallel in 2:15. But where isreal was disobedient Jesus was obedient.
Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
In other words, the "out of Israel I called my son" part is taken completely out of context in the gospel of Matthew. It takes a big stretch of the imagination to turn it into a messianic prophecy.
FSM

Cranbourne, Australia

#147 Oct 10, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
Yes, I see how it works from your skewed view. I KNOW Christ is real and I KNOW evolution is false. Atheism is a true viewpoint but the subject matter is false.
Stew a while.
What if you're wrong?
FSM

Cranbourne, Australia

#148 Oct 10, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
You have no faith FSM. Until you do you are lost. PERIOD.
I'm not sure how that addresses my question. If a prophecy cannot be verified as fulfilled, what was the purpose of the prophecy?

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque, NM

#149 Oct 10, 2012
FSM wrote:
<quoted text>What if you're wrong?
If Wayne is wrong absolutely nothing changes. This strikes me as an argument against the existence of God.
FSM

Cranbourne, Australia

#150 Oct 10, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
If Wayne is wrong absolutely nothing changes. This strikes me as an argument against the existence of God.
It wasn't intended that way. Perhaps I worded my response incorrectly. There are any number of possibilities that could be correct if his beliefs are wrong. I'm wondering if he has considered them and is willing to accept the implications of potentially being wrong. Does the claim of knowing something to be true even allow for that type of uncertainty?

“Call sign: Apache One Six”

Since: Mar 11

US 62 @ US 81

#151 Oct 10, 2012
FSM wrote:
<quoted text>In other words, the "out of Israel I called my son" part is taken completely out of context in the gospel of Matthew. It takes a big stretch of the imagination to turn it into a messianic prophecy.
And you are a Hebrew expert and an expert on Hebrew prophecy?

Jazybird58

“Reality bites”

Since: Dec 11

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#152 Oct 10, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
<quoted text>
Now, that's really none of your business, is it? I won't vote for Obama, so IF I vote....
You said you would not vote for the Non christian Obama, are you gonna vote for the non christian Romney?

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#153 Oct 10, 2012
NDanger wrote:
<quoted text>
Seriously? blaming it on "them" who voted in those in turn who ruined this country?
It's a little more "involved" than that...
Yes, I believe it is a little more involed than that, but IMO, people voting on "hot button" social issues, in both parties are doing screwing this coutry.

How was Oktoberfest?

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque, NM

#154 Oct 10, 2012
FSM wrote:
<quoted text>It wasn't intended that way. Perhaps I worded my response incorrectly. There are any number of possibilities that could be correct if his beliefs are wrong. I'm wondering if he has considered them and is willing to accept the implications of potentially being wrong. Does the claim of knowing something to be true even allow for that type of uncertainty?
No. It would make his head explode.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque, NM

#155 Oct 10, 2012
Allen Richards wrote:
<quoted text>
And you are a Hebrew expert and an expert on Hebrew prophecy?
He's got you beat hands down.
FSM

Cranbourne, Australia

#156 Oct 10, 2012
Allen Richards wrote:
And you are a Hebrew expert and an expert on Hebrew prophecy?
No, I'm not. I know how to look up the meaning of English translations of the bible in their original languages through Hebrew and Greek lexicons. As far as formal qualifications, I have none that are relevant to the bible.

1. Are you a Hebrew and/or Greek language expert? If yes, what are your formal qualifications?

2. Were the gospel authors experts on Hebrew prophecy? If yes, how do you know?

3. Can anyone accurately interpret the bible without being an expert in Hebrew/Greek/bible prophecy/etc? If so, how? If not, what do you think of the 90+% Christians with no formal education relevant to the bible? Is their faith complete/true/accurate?

“Call sign: Apache One Six”

Since: Mar 11

US 62 @ US 81

#157 Oct 10, 2012
FSM wrote:
<quoted text>No, I'm not. I know how to look up the meaning of English translations of the bible in their original languages through Hebrew and Greek lexicons. As far as formal qualifications, I have none that are relevant to the bible.
1. Are you a Hebrew and/or Greek language expert? If yes, what are your formal qualifications?
2. Were the gospel authors experts on Hebrew prophecy? If yes, how do you know?
3. Can anyone accurately interpret the bible without being an expert in Hebrew/Greek/bible prophecy/etc? If so, how? If not, what do you think of the 90+% Christians with no formal education relevant to the bible? Is their faith complete/true/accurate?
1. I don't make authoritative assertions about the Bible without evidence.

2. They were Jews taught by the jewish scholars of their day and their interetation is more valid than anyone posting on this forum who could not conjugate a Greek verb or locate a Hebrew verb if their life depended on it.

3. Faith and Bible translation are not the same thing!
FSM

Cranbourne, Australia

#158 Oct 10, 2012
Allen Richards wrote:
1. I don't make authoritative assertions about the Bible without evidence.
2. They were Jews taught by the jewish scholars of their day and their interetation is more valid than anyone posting on this forum who could not conjugate a Greek verb or locate a Hebrew verb if their life depended on it.
3. Faith and Bible translation are not the same thing!
"When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.
But the more they were called, the more they went away from me. They sacrificed to the Baals and they burned incense to images."
Hosea 11:1-2

1. That passage is about Israel, not Jesus. If you want to claim that it's relevant to Jesus in any way, then Jesus "sacrificed to the Baals and .... burned incense to images". I'm not sure how much word gymnastics will be needed to get yourself out of that one, but I'll happily sit back and enjoy the show if you want to attempt it again. Your previous attempt wasn't too inspiring IMO.

2. Is their interpretation more valid than that of Jews who didn't/don't believe that Jesus is the messiah?

3. True.

“Call sign: Apache One Six”

Since: Mar 11

US 62 @ US 81

#159 Oct 10, 2012
FSM wrote:
<quoted text>
"When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.
But the more they were called, the more they went away from me. They sacrificed to the Baals and they burned incense to images."
Hosea 11:1-2
1. That passage is about Israel, not Jesus. If you want to claim that it's relevant to Jesus in any way, then Jesus "sacrificed to the Baals and .... burned incense to images". I'm not sure how much word gymnastics will be needed to get yourself out of that one, but I'll happily sit back and enjoy the show if you want to attempt it again. Your previous attempt wasn't too inspiring IMO.
No gymnastics at all! A disciple of Jesus interpreted Matt 2:15 as a parallel to Jesus in the NT. Your objections are meaningless compared to a follower of Jesus. Did all the Israelites "sacrificed to the Baals and .... burned incense to images?" Was not Jesus the prophesied Prophet like Moses? Note a parallel is not a "prophesy!"

2. Is their interpretation more valid than that of Jews who didn't/don't believe that Jesus is the messiah?
Which Jews would that be?
Sola Scriptura

United States

#160 Oct 10, 2012
FSM wrote:
<quoted text>No, I'm not. I know how to look up the meaning of English translations of the bible in their original languages through Hebrew and Greek lexicons. As far as formal qualifications, I have none that are relevant to the bible.
1. Are you a Hebrew and/or Greek language expert? If yes, what are your formal qualifications?
2. Were the gospel authors experts on Hebrew prophecy? If yes, how do you know?
3. Can anyone accurately interpret the bible without being an expert in Hebrew/Greek/bible prophecy/etc? If so, how? If not, what do you think of the 90+% Christians with no formal education relevant to the bible? Is their faith complete/true/accurate?
I know atheists hate to hear this but I don't care. YOU don't have the Holy Spirit to guide you in understanding the scriptures. Until you do, you will NEVER understand it.

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