Why are you looking forward to heaven?

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Jeff

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Mar 29, 2013
 
Big Al wrote:
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Israel Finkelstein as a practicing Jew and a resident of Israel (His mother's family came to Palestine in 1860, his father's family eight decades ago) would have natural biases to want to find reasons to support the Biblical stories of the the Old Testament.
“...we keep kosher at home, and I celebrate all the festivals.... This is my identity. I do it gladly....the Bible does not have to be a historically accurate document for its handed-down set of stories to be ‘the root of my identity’.”- Israel Finkelstein Interviewed in New Scientist
The truth is more importantant to some people than maintaining their handed down beliefs about the Bible.
This still does not change the fact he is biased. Remember: there has yet to be an archaeological find that has disproved the Bible.
Big Al

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Mar 29, 2013
 
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This still does not change the fact he is biased. Remember: there has yet to be an archaeological find that has disproved the Bible.
I think you’ve got that backwards.

Since Dr. Finkelstein was raised in a practicing Jewish family he would certainly have been taught that the Bible was historically accurate.

“For centuries, Bible readers took it for granted that the scriptures were both divine revelation and accurate history…”- Israel Finkelstein

He would necessarily have originally been biased in favor of the historical accuracy of the Bible. Only by having the ability to put aside his original biases would he be able to come the conclusion that...
"...we now know that the early books of the Bible and their famous stories...were first codified...at an identifiable place and time: Jerusalem in the seventh century BCE.”- Archaeologist Israel Finkelstein

All a person has to do is "be stubborn” to hold on to preconceived notions in the face of evidence to the contrary.
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Mar 29, 2013
 
Big Al wrote:
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I think you’ve got that backwards.
Since Dr. Finkelstein was raised in a practicing Jewish family he would certainly have been taught that the Bible was historically accurate.
“For centuries, Bible readers took it for granted that the scriptures were both divine revelation and accurate history…”- Israel Finkelstein
He would necessarily have originally been biased in favor of the historical accuracy of the Bible. Only by having the ability to put aside his original biases would he be able to come the conclusion that...
"...we now know that the early books of the Bible and their famous stories...were first codified...at an identifiable place and time: Jerusalem in the seventh century BCE.”- Archaeologist Israel Finkelstein
All a person has to do is "be stubborn” to hold on to preconceived notions in the face of evidence to the contrary.
Ok, how many archaeological finds have discounted something mentioned in the Bible and shown it to be untrue? Give me some examples.
Big Al

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Mar 29, 2013
 
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Ok, how many archaeological finds have discounted something mentioned in the Bible and shown it to be untrue? Give me some examples.
“The [Book of Genesis] text describes the early origin of the neighbouring kingdom of Edom, but Assyrian records show that Edom only came into existence after the conquest of the region by Assyria; before then it was without functioning kings, wasn't a distinct state, and archaeological evidence shows that the territory was only sparsely populated.”- Israel Finkelstein, The Bible Unearthed

Genesis lists the kings of Edom: Genesis 36:31–43
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Mar 29, 2013
 
thats quite simple
a place with
NO SIN
that would be paradise
Jeff

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Mar 29, 2013
 
Big Al wrote:
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“The [Book of Genesis] text describes the early origin of the neighbouring kingdom of Edom, but Assyrian records show that Edom only came into existence after the conquest of the region by Assyria; before then it was without functioning kings, wasn't a distinct state, and archaeological evidence shows that the territory was only sparsely populated.”- Israel Finkelstein, The Bible Unearthed
Genesis lists the kings of Edom: Genesis 36:31–43
So are we to believe that Finkelstein speaks with absolute authority and certainty? Do all archaeologists agree with his opinion?
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Mar 29, 2013
 
Big Al wrote:
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“The [Book of Genesis] text describes the early origin of the neighbouring kingdom of Edom, but Assyrian records show that Edom only came into existence after the conquest of the region by Assyria; before then it was without functioning kings, wasn't a distinct state, and archaeological evidence shows that the territory was only sparsely populated.”- Israel Finkelstein, The Bible Unearthed
Genesis lists the kings of Edom: Genesis 36:31–43
Lets discuss some more current. This weekend as you know, Christians celebrate the death and resurrection of Christ. Do you think all of this also is a fraud and did not happen?
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Mar 29, 2013
 
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Lets discuss some more current. This weekend as you know, Christians celebrate the death and resurrection of Christ. Do you think all of this also is a fraud and did not happen?
People of all beliefs, in all parts of the world have been celebrating spring, the vernal equinox, since time immemorial.
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Mar 29, 2013
 
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People of all beliefs, in all parts of the world have been celebrating spring, the vernal equinox, since time immemorial.
That is not the same thing as what Christ did though. I'm claiming this happened in space-time history. Do you agree this was a historical event?
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Mar 29, 2013
 
mztza wrote:
thats quite simple
a place with
NO SIN
that would be paradise
You may have hit the ball over the centerfield fence.
Big Al

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Mar 30, 2013
 
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That is not the same thing as what Christ did though. I'm claiming this happened in space-time history. Do you agree this was a historical event?
No I don’t believe that anyone has ever risen from the dead; not Osiris not Jesus. It’s too fantastic of acclaim to accept the word of anyone for, especially ancient superstitious people who lived 2,000 or 3,000 years ago.

"...distrust anything that contradicts science or outrages reason.”- Christopher Hitchens
Big Al

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Mar 30, 2013
 
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>Saying time immemorial is you saying that you have no clue when that was. You have no record of any civilian beyond or before any mentioned in the Bible. It is so funny, you rote minion minds, read about fossil findings but not once have the found ruins of civilizations over 10,000 years old.
I hate to be the one to break the news to you but the world of the authors of the Bible was quite a bit smaller than the real world.
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Mar 30, 2013
 
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No I don’t believe that anyone has ever risen from the dead; not Osiris not Jesus. It’s too fantastic of acclaim to accept the word of anyone for, especially ancient superstitious people who lived 2,000 or 3,000 years ago.
"...distrust anything that contradicts science or outrages reason.”- Christopher Hitchens
Are saying this because you believe God does not exist or that God could not raise the dead?

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Mar 30, 2013
 
Flygerian wrote:
Wait seentheother side. I thought you had "proof" of your god that didnt consist of your own words since you do not accept the words of Moses as legitimate "proof"? Wheres it at? Im pretty sure you saw my posts lmao
This red herring issue has already been answered. It's not my problem if you lack reading comprehension or didn't like the answer. But that's up to you to get over, and deal with it.
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This red herring issue has already been answered. It's not my problem if you lack reading comprehension or didn't like the answer. But that's up to you to get over, and deal with it.
No it hasnt. You havent shown ONE proof of your god other than your words. Well thats no different from the words of Moses whom you SAY does not equate to proof. So what do you have to provide that shows us PROOF of your god? IF you have provided this proof and this proof doesnt consist of you describing with WORDS your experiences with this god then I'll be more than happy to take back this question if you could point me to where you posted it.
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Flygerian wrote:
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No it hasnt. You havent shown ONE proof of your god other than your words. Well thats no different from the words of Moses whom you SAY does not equate to proof. So what do you have to provide that shows us PROOF of your god? IF you have provided this proof and this proof doesnt consist of you describing with WORDS your experiences with this god then I'll be more than happy to take back this question if you could point me to where you posted it.
What are you trying to prove?
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Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
<quoted text>What are you trying to prove?
What are you trying to prove?
Prophet of Jesus Christ

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Mar 30, 2013
 
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What are you trying to prove?
The truth is not in you.
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Mar 30, 2013
 
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
<quoted text>The truth is not in you.
You sure fail at that dont you?

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Mar 30, 2013
 
Jeff wrote:
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This is not what Christians mean by faith. Faith in Christianity is believing in something that we have good reason to believe is true. We believe in the existence of God because there is evidence for it. We believe in the resurrection because its not unreasonable and there is good evidence for it.
Translated, that means you really have NOTHING but the lies that you were brainwashed to believe.

It is not only unreasonable, but also insane to believe in this convoluted and totally senseless dead man-"god" myth. The ONLY way people can be made to believe it is with the very effective Christian FEAR mongering brainwashing system.

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