Why are you looking forward to heaven?
Flygerian

United States

#300 Mar 27, 2013
Wait seentheother side. I thought you had "proof" of your god that didnt consist of your own words since you do not accept the words of Moses as legitimate "proof"? Wheres it at? Im pretty sure you saw my posts lmao

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#301 Mar 28, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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If you want to have an idea what heaven is like read the last 2 chapters of the book of revelation.
Be careful when you post to "seen who thought she was on the other side" (but really didn't die)... make sure it has something to do with her post or she goes batsh*t Krazeeeeee...

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#302 Mar 28, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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As long as the relative order of protocol is respected and upheld.
true that!
Reality

San Diego, CA

#303 Mar 28, 2013
Seentheotherside wrote:
<quoted text>So if your mythology and fake demonic "god" are so great, how come none of you can cite any biblical reference describing in any detail what Heaven is like, what you will be doing there, and why you want to go there."
So if you got something in your book of lies on that, bring it HERE, to THIS thread.
I'm not a bible believer and have asked you many times to tell me about the god you talk about, and the heaven you say you've gone to..All I get is dead air from you..Here's your chance "AGAIN" to make your God happy by telling something about it and about what this Gods heaven is like..
Reality

San Diego, CA

#304 Mar 28, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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What do you think faith means?
Belief or trust in something especially without logical proof..
Reality

San Diego, CA

#305 Mar 28, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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I don't doubt that YOU came from slime. God's creation is filled with diversity.
Actually, star dust is what we're made of originally. That was before the life forming process on earth began..
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text> However, I was created by God in His image and likeness with divine intent.
Here's what your divine intent created, it's the luck of the draw and you are one of the lucky ones..

http://allafrica.com/stories/201303060200.htm...
Reality

San Diego, CA

#306 Mar 28, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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From the goo to you via the zoo.
I see your living up to the orders given to you in your antique book where it says this..>>> "lean not to your own understanding..The translation is >> Don't use the brains you were given at birth..

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#307 Mar 28, 2013
Reality wrote:
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Actually, star dust is what we're made of originally. That was before the life forming process on earth began..
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Here's what your divine intent created, it's the luck of the draw and you are one of the lucky ones..
http://allafrica.com/stories/201303060200.htm...
Luck of the draw? apparently you weren't...

Here's what your non 'divine' intent created...

http://www.100abortionpictures.com/Aborted_Ba...

Keep clicking the next button...
Reality

San Diego, CA

#308 Mar 28, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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Luck of the draw? apparently you weren't...
Here's what your non 'divine' intent created...
http://www.100abortionpictures.com/Aborted_Ba...
Keep clicking the next button...
Are you referring to the devil in your antique book by saying "non 'divine'" entity creating those deformed babies? You sound like you have the intelligence of a Neanderthal that lived 600,000–350,000 years ago..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#309 Mar 28, 2013
Reality wrote:
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Belief or trust in something especially without logical proof..
This is not what Christians mean by faith. Faith in Christianity is believing in something that we have good reason to believe is true. We believe in the existence of God because there is evidence for it. We believe in the resurrection because its not unreasonable and there is good evidence for it.

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#310 Mar 28, 2013
Reality wrote:
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Are you referring to the devil in your antique book by saying "non 'divine'" entity creating those deformed babies? You sound like you have the intelligence of a Neanderthal that lived 600,000–350,000 years ago..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal
No, I was referring to you and your ILK. They aren't 'deformed', they were aborted...

RACA!
Big Al

Grand Rapids, MN

#311 Mar 28, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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What specific circumstances caused you to disbelieve?
I would rather not get into specifics, so suffice it to say certain events in my life seemed to cast doubt on many of the things I was told. This created a curiosity in me which caused me to do some investigating on my own. I eventually arrived at the conclusion that the history of the Bible and Christianity were in reality quite a bit different than what I had been taught.

"There is an objective reality out there, but we view it through the spectacles of our beliefs, attitudes, and values." ~David G. Myers, Ph.D. Social Psychology University of Iowa
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#312 Mar 28, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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I would rather not get into specifics, so suffice it to say certain events in my life seemed to cast doubt on many of the things I was told. This created a curiosity in me which caused me to do some investigating on my own. I eventually arrived at the conclusion that the history of the Bible and Christianity were in reality quite a bit different than what I had been taught.
"There is an objective reality out there, but we view it through the spectacles of our beliefs, attitudes, and values." ~David G. Myers, Ph.D. Social Psychology University of Iowa
That is to bad that you have arrived at the wrong conclusions about Christianity.

"Sunday, January 27, 2013
John Elder on Archaeology and the Bible
“It is not too much to say that it was the rise of the science of archeology that broke the deadlock between historians and the orthodox Christian. Little by little, one city after another, one civilization after another, one culture after another, whose memories were enshrined only in the Bible, were restored to their proper places in ancient history by the studies of archeologists…. Contemporary records of biblical events have been unearthed and the uniqueness of biblical revelation has been emphasized by contrast and comparison to newly discovered religions of ancient peoples. Nowhere has archeological discovery refuted the Bible as history.”

—Archaeologist John Elder

"“It may be stated categorically that no archaeological discovery has ever controverted a Biblical reference. Scores of archaeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical descriptions has often led to amazing discoveries.”

- Nelson Glueck
Big Al

Grand Rapids, MN

#313 Mar 28, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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That is to bad that you have arrived at the wrong conclusions about Christianity.
"Sunday, January 27, 2013
John Elder on Archaeology and the Bible
“It is not too much to say that it was the rise of the science of archeology that broke the deadlock between historians and the orthodox Christian. Little by little, one city after another, one civilization after another, one culture after another, whose memories were enshrined only in the Bible, were restored to their proper places in ancient history by the studies of archeologists…. Contemporary records of biblical events have been unearthed and the uniqueness of biblical revelation has been emphasized by contrast and comparison to newly discovered religions of ancient peoples. Nowhere has archeological discovery refuted the Bible as history.”
—Archaeologist John Elder
"“It may be stated categorically that no archaeological discovery has ever controverted a Biblical reference. Scores of archaeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical descriptions has often led to amazing discoveries.”
- Nelson Glueck
“The historical saga contained in the Bible – from Abraham’s encounter with God and his journey to Canaan, to Moses, deliverance of the children of Israel from bondage, to the rise and fall of the kingdoms of Israel and Judah – was not a miraculous revelation, but a product of human imagination. It was first conceived – as recent archaeological findings suggest – during the span of two or three generations, about twenty-six hundred years ago.”– Archaeologist Israel Finkelstein, Ph.D., director of the Sonia and Marco Nadler Institute of Archaeology at Tel Aviv University
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#314 Mar 28, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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“The historical saga contained in the Bible – from Abraham’s encounter with God and his journey to Canaan, to Moses, deliverance of the children of Israel from bondage, to the rise and fall of the kingdoms of Israel and Judah – was not a miraculous revelation, but a product of human imagination. It was first conceived – as recent archaeological findings suggest – during the span of two or three generations, about twenty-six hundred years ago.”– Archaeologist Israel Finkelstein, Ph.D., director of the Sonia and Marco Nadler Institute of Archaeology at Tel Aviv University
Are there not differing opinions among archaeologists on all kinds of matters? That's the impression I get.
Big Al

Grand Rapids, MN

#315 Mar 29, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Are there not differing opinions among archaeologists on all kinds of matters? That's the impression I get.
Archaeologists from a Judeo-Christian background would tend to have preconceived biases in relation to Biblical Archaeology. Some can put those biases aside and look at the evidence objectively and some can’t.

“I can separate my convictions about my culture and my identity on the one hand from my research on the other. I think this is critical for archaeology. If you cannot make this separation you are finished. Unfortunately, most people who work in biblical archaeology fail to make this separation. It’s a serious problem.”– Archaeologist, Israel Finkelstein
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#316 Mar 29, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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Archaeologists from a Judeo-Christian background would tend to have preconceived biases in relation to Biblical Archaeology. Some can put those biases aside and look at the evidence objectively and some can’t.
“I can separate my convictions about my culture and my identity on the one hand from my research on the other. I think this is critical for archaeology. If you cannot make this separation you are finished. Unfortunately, most people who work in biblical archaeology fail to make this separation. It’s a serious problem.”– Archaeologist, Israel Finkelstein
Archaeologists from a skeptical background of the Bible tend to deny the evidence for the Bible. Finkelstein should be honest enough to admit he has his own biases against the Bible.
Big Al

Grand Rapids, MN

#317 Mar 29, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Archaeologists from a skeptical background of the Bible tend to deny the evidence for the Bible. Finkelstein should be honest enough to admit he has his own biases against the Bible.
Israel Finkelstein as a practicing Jew and a resident of Israel (His mother's family came to Palestine in 1860, his father's family eight decades ago) would have natural biases to want to find reasons to support the Biblical stories of the the Old Testament.

“...we keep kosher at home, and I celebrate all the festivals.... This is my identity. I do it gladly....the Bible does not have to be a historically accurate document for its handed-down set of stories to be ‘the root of my identity’.”- Israel Finkelstein Interviewed in New Scientist

The truth is more importantant to some people than maintaining their handed down beliefs about the Bible.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#318 Mar 29, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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Israel Finkelstein as a practicing Jew and a resident of Israel (His mother's family came to Palestine in 1860, his father's family eight decades ago) would have natural biases to want to find reasons to support the Biblical stories of the the Old Testament.
“...we keep kosher at home, and I celebrate all the festivals.... This is my identity. I do it gladly....the Bible does not have to be a historically accurate document for its handed-down set of stories to be ‘the root of my identity’.”- Israel Finkelstein Interviewed in New Scientist
The truth is more importantant to some people than maintaining their handed down beliefs about the Bible.
This still does not change the fact he is biased. Remember: there has yet to be an archaeological find that has disproved the Bible.
Big Al

Grand Rapids, MN

#319 Mar 29, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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This still does not change the fact he is biased. Remember: there has yet to be an archaeological find that has disproved the Bible.
I think you’ve got that backwards.

Since Dr. Finkelstein was raised in a practicing Jewish family he would certainly have been taught that the Bible was historically accurate.

“For centuries, Bible readers took it for granted that the scriptures were both divine revelation and accurate history…”- Israel Finkelstein

He would necessarily have originally been biased in favor of the historical accuracy of the Bible. Only by having the ability to put aside his original biases would he be able to come the conclusion that...
"...we now know that the early books of the Bible and their famous stories...were first codified...at an identifiable place and time: Jerusalem in the seventh century BCE.”- Archaeologist Israel Finkelstein

All a person has to do is "be stubborn” to hold on to preconceived notions in the face of evidence to the contrary.

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