Why are you looking forward to heaven?

Why are you looking forward to heaven?

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#1 Mar 18, 2013
Christians desire so much to go to this heaven. I never hear them tell me about this thing they look forward to. They have made it their purpose in life to get there yet they rarely describe what it is like or why they want to go there and why they desperately want to go there. The bible doesn't describe it that much either.

So why are people so obsessed with going there?

It seems that the mental conditioning is so effective that a proper description isn't even needed. They have people desperate to get to a place they don't know about.

So we already saw that jesus is not proven to claim to be a god..as evidenced by various interpreations that can reasonably made...noteably by the jewish and muslim religions and thousands of christian sects rhat can't agree what the bible means. Yet they proclaim a guy that didn't say he was a god is a god.

We already know that to come to believe the bible to begin with..regardless of which interpretation....requires blind faith in unknown authors where we have no original document and where the story arcs resemble prior myths.

And now...the end goal of heaven.......a place left mostly to your imagination with the understanding that it is nice there.

Is it just me?

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#2 Mar 18, 2013
Lets not forget the other things too...

75 percent of prisoners are christians
80 percent of hiv patients are religious
Christians worship the most powerful Atheist in the universe.
Prayer is scientifically proven to be ineffective except as a placebo.
The vast amount of errors and contradictions in the bible.
Prophet of Jesus Christ

São Paulo, Brazil

#3 Mar 18, 2013
cvor wrote:
Christians desire so much to go to this heaven. I never hear them tell me about this thing they look forward to. They have made it their purpose in life to get there yet they rarely describe what it is like or why they want to go there and why they desperately want to go there. The bible doesn't describe it that much either.
So why are people so obsessed with going there?
It seems that the mental conditioning is so effective that a proper description isn't even needed. They have people desperate to get to a place they don't know about.
So we already saw that jesus is not proven to claim to be a god..as evidenced by various interpreations that can reasonably made...noteably by the jewish and muslim religions and thousands of christian sects rhat can't agree what the bible means. Yet they proclaim a guy that didn't say he was a god is a god.
We already know that to come to believe the bible to begin with..regardless of which interpretation....requires blind faith in unknown authors where we have no original document and where the story arcs resemble prior myths.
And now...the end goal of heaven.......a place left mostly to your imagination with the understanding that it is nice there.
Is it just me?
RETARD,

I am not looking forward to Heaven. In fact there is going to be a war in Heaven. God is going to destroy Heaven and the Heavens and the Earth with fire.

I AM LOOKING FAR BEYOND HEAVEN FOR THAT IS WHERE I AM FROM. THAT IS THE WORLD I CAME FROM.
Prophet of Jesus Christ

São Paulo, Brazil

#4 Mar 18, 2013
I am not a Christian.

I am a son of God.

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#5 Mar 19, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
I am not a Christian.
You finally god something right.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#6 Mar 19, 2013
The Vikings threw away their lives trying to get to Valhalla and the Greeks squandered their lives trying to get to the Elysian Fields. Christians expended their lives trying to get to heaven.

"The idea of death, the fear of it, haunts the human animal like nothing else; it is a mainspring of human activity - designed largely to avoid the fatality of death, to overcome it by denying in some way that it is the final destiny of man." —Ernest Becker (cultural anthropologist, Pulitzer Prize winner)
little lamb

Australia

#7 Mar 19, 2013
We are promised everlasting life...

And as someone stated God created time, matter and space..and that God exists outside time..and that

eternity is existing NOW..keeping on existing

God is called I AM ..meaning he EXISTS..He is not I WAS or I WILL BE but is I AM...interesting thought because as a Christians i am constantly learning to live in TODAY.

Today is the day of salvation, today is the day to be saved.

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#8 Mar 19, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
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RETARD,
I am not looking forward to Heaven. In fact there is going to be a war in Heaven. God is going to destroy Heaven and the Heavens and the Earth with fire.
I AM LOOKING FAR BEYOND HEAVEN FOR THAT IS WHERE I AM FROM. THAT IS THE WORLD I CAME FROM.
oh - so you have your own branch of christianity. What do you call this place beyond heaven?

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#9 Mar 19, 2013
little lamb wrote:
We are promised everlasting life...
And as someone stated God created time, matter and space..and that God exists outside time..and that
eternity is existing NOW..keeping on existing
God is called I AM ..meaning he EXISTS..He is not I WAS or I WILL BE but is I AM...interesting thought because as a Christians i am constantly learning to live in TODAY.
Today is the day of salvation, today is the day to be saved.
I asked a basic question and you didn't answer it

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#10 Mar 21, 2013
This thread should tell you alot.

Not alot of information about heaven huh??? So many people are looking forward to something they don't even know about.

To be with a god that was never proven to say he was a god...even if you believe the unproven bible books about him.

lol

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#11 Mar 21, 2013
cvor wrote:
This thread should tell you alot.
Not alot of information about heaven huh??? So many people are looking forward to something they don't even know about.
To be with a god that was never proven to say he was a god...even if you believe the unproven bible books about him.
lol
And you won't get any answer/description of Heaven from the Christians. At least not based upon anything from their book of lies. As a description of Heaven is one of the things I have challenged the Christians to find in their book of lies for a few years now. And NONE have found anything of merit. Most just obfuscate, lie, or run away from the challenge.

But as a non-Christian, with a unique spiritual life, I like how it feels to be in a pure soul state in Heaven/God. I do not like the maintenance and limitations of being tied down to my physical body. The only thing I like about it is the depth and more solid feelings one gets from experiencing things. But I like more the vividness, clarity, and energized feeling I get when in a pure soul state in Heaven. And am able to do, see, and experience things without the limited physical senses. To be able to travel by thought, have all my questions answered by simultaneous experience(s), imparted information, and even any peripheral information required to give me a complete understanding of what I need to know.

And Heaven/God will be a mystery that will take an eternity to fully understand, To learn about all the spiritual entities, deities, aiding in the expansion/creating of the physical universe, everyone's role and interaction in doing their part in God's plan for all souls, and the purpose of it all.

But here's a thumbnail version.

God is the vast and all powerful soul, spiritual energy Deity who creates, maintains, and controls the universe. God IS the living universe, and the universe IS the living God. God as a spiritual Deity has always existed through out all eternity. He created the physical universe within the spiritual universe/himself/God. Both are side by side, but separate, yet both of God, are God. For God IS the living universe, and the universe IS the living God.

And so the spiritual universe, is God's soul, God, but also what the Christians think this "Heaven" is. And our souls are created in the likeness of God's soul, himself. Diminutive versions of God's soul's energies and abilities, that grow over time. Existing as free willed points of self aware consciousness within God/Heaven.

And one of the very first things I noticed about being in a pure soul state, is that my thinking no longer seemed orientated in where my head would be, but strongest in the center of my soul. Which corresponds to God/Heaven, as when in the farther reaches from the center, the energy is more coarser and things have less control. And the energy is higher and things are more controlled as one moves toward the center. It is also where the more advanced souls, Deities, are allowed to do their duties in God's plan.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#12 Mar 21, 2013
cvor wrote:
Christians desire so much to go to this heaven. I never hear them tell me about this thing they look forward to. They have made it their purpose in life to get there yet they rarely describe what it is like or why they want to go there and why they desperately want to go there. The bible doesn't describe it that much either.
So why are people so obsessed with going there?
It seems that the mental conditioning is so effective that a proper description isn't even needed. They have people desperate to get to a place they don't know about..........

And now...the end goal of heaven.......a place left mostly to your imagination with the understanding that it is nice there.
Is it just me?
Don't sweat it man.
I can tell you what heaven is about.

Well, MY heaven anyway...
Its kind of like the big rock candy mountains, and goes a little something like this:

"One evening as the sun went down
And the jungle fires were burning,
Down the track came a hobo hiking,
And he said, "Boys, I'm not turning
I'm headed for a land that's far away
Besides the crystal fountains
So come with me, we'll go and see
The Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains,
There's a land that's fair and bright,
Where the handouts grow on bushes
And you sleep out every night.
Where the boxcars all are empty
And the sun shines every day
And the birds and the bees
And the cigarette trees
The lemonade springs
Where the bluebird sings
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains.

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains
All the cops have wooden legs
And the bulldogs all have rubber teeth
And the hens lay soft-boiled eggs
The farmers' trees are full of fruit
And the barns are full of hay
Oh I'm bound to go
Where there ain't no snow
Where the rain don't fall
The winds don't blow
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains.

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains
You never change your socks
And the little streams of alcohol
Come trickling down the rocks
The brakemen have to tip their hats
And the railway bulls are blind
There's a lake of stew
And of whiskey too
You can paddle all around it
In a big canoe
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains,
The jails are made of tin.
And you can walk right out again,
As soon as you are in.
There ain't no short-handled shovels,
No axes, saws nor picks,
I'm bound to stay
Where you sleep all day,
Where they hung the jerk
That invented work
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains."

Hallelujah!
Thank you Lord!

http://lyricsplayground.com/alpha/songs/b/big...

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#13 Mar 21, 2013
Seentheotherside wrote:
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And you won't get any answer/description of Heaven from the Christians. At least not based upon anything from their book of lies. As a description of Heaven is one of the things I have challenged the Christians to find in their book of lies for a few years now. And NONE have found anything of merit. Most just obfuscate, lie, or run away from the challenge.
But as a non-Christian, with a unique spiritual life, I like how it feels to be in a pure soul state in Heaven/God. I do not like the maintenance and limitations of being tied down to my physical body. The only thing I like about it is the depth and more solid feelings one gets from experiencing things. But I like more the vividness, clarity, and energized feeling I get when in a pure soul state in Heaven. And am able to do, see, and experience things without the limited physical senses. To be able to travel by thought, have all my questions answered by simultaneous experience(s), imparted information, and even any peripheral information required to give me a complete understanding of what I need to know.
And Heaven/God will be a mystery that will take an eternity to fully understand, To learn about all the spiritual entities, deities, aiding in the expansion/creating of the physical universe, everyone's role and interaction in doing their part in God's plan for all souls, and the purpose of it all.
But here's a thumbnail version.
God is the vast and all powerful soul, spiritual energy Deity who creates, maintains, and controls the universe. God IS the living universe, and the universe IS the living God. God as a spiritual Deity has always existed through out all eternity. He created the physical universe within the spiritual universe/himself/God. Both are side by side, but separate, yet both of God, are God. For God IS the living universe, and the universe IS the living God.
And so the spiritual universe, is God's soul, God, but also what the Christians think this "Heaven" is. And our souls are created in the likeness of God's soul, himself. Diminutive versions of God's soul's energies and abilities, that grow over time. Existing as free willed points of self aware consciousness within God/Heaven.
And one of the very first things I noticed about being in a pure soul state, is that my thinking no longer seemed orientated in where my head would be, but strongest in the center of my soul. Which corresponds to God/Heaven, as when in the farther reaches from the center, the energy is more coarser and things have less control. And the energy is higher and things are more controlled as one moves toward the center. It is also where the more advanced souls, Deities, are allowed to do their duties in God's plan.
Thanks! I would like to believe some of what you believe but I just don't see it that way. It certainly is a much different league rhan regurgitating the hate filled cult bible
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#14 Mar 21, 2013
cvor wrote:
Christians desire so much to go to this heaven. I never hear them tell me about this thing they look forward to. They have made it their purpose in life to get there yet they rarely describe what it is like or why they want to go there and why they desperately want to go there. The bible doesn't describe it that much either.
So why are people so obsessed with going there?
It seems that the mental conditioning is so effective that a proper description isn't even needed. They have people desperate to get to a place they don't know about.
So we already saw that jesus is not proven to claim to be a god..as evidenced by various interpreations that can reasonably made...noteably by the jewish and muslim religions and thousands of christian sects rhat can't agree what the bible means. Yet they proclaim a guy that didn't say he was a god is a god.
We already know that to come to believe the bible to begin with..regardless of which interpretation....requires blind faith in unknown authors where we have no original document and where the story arcs resemble prior myths.
And now...the end goal of heaven.......a place left mostly to your imagination with the understanding that it is nice there.
Is it just me?
What do you believe is going to happen when you die?
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#15 Mar 22, 2013
God and I in space alone ...

and nobody else in view ...

"And where are all the people, Oh Lord" I said, "the earth below and the sky overhead and the dead that I once knew?"

"That was a dream," God smiled and said: "The dream that seemed to be true; there were no people living or dead; there was no earth, and no sky overhead, there was only myself in you."

"Why do I feel no fear?" I asked, "meeting you here in this way? For I have sinned, I know full well and is there heaven and is there hell, and is this Judgement Day?"

"Nay, those were but dreams" the Great God said, "dreams that have ceased to be. There are no such things as fear and sin; there is no you ... you never have been.There is nothing at all but me."

- Ella Wheeler Wilcox

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#16 Mar 22, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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What do you believe is going to happen when you die?
I don't believe anything. I acknowledge the facts about death.

Definition: A permanent cessation of all vital functions : the end of life

THE END OF LIFE

Christians to not acknowledge the facts about death. They in fact claim death doesn't exist.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#17 Mar 22, 2013
cvor wrote:
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I don't believe anything. I acknowledge the facts about death.
Definition: A permanent cessation of all vital functions : the end of life
THE END OF LIFE
Christians to not acknowledge the facts about death. They in fact claim death doesn't exist.
So what do you think happens after you die?

Christians do acknowledge death but they believe we will exist beyond our physical deaths.

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#18 Mar 22, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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So what do you think happens after you die?
Christians do acknowledge death but they believe we will exist beyond our physical deaths.
no they don't--- they do not believe life ends. The definition says end of life
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#19 Mar 22, 2013
cvor wrote:
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no they don't--- they do not believe life ends. The definition says end of life
The definition has to do with the physical body. It is the soul-spirit of man that survives the death of the physical body.

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#20 Mar 22, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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The definition has to do with the physical body. It is the soul-spirit of man that survives the death of the physical body.
the definition doens't say that

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