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NDanger

“Third Eye”

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#158 Apr 13, 2014
Skeeeeptcal wrote:
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No proof of the biblical supernatural events in that link because there is none..
Quit moving the goalposts. You asked if 'anything' could be proven...

“God is Love”

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#159 Apr 13, 2014
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
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Your words gave you away.
Titus, Chapter 3, 2: To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, showing all meekness unto all men.
Ephesians 5:11 (KJV)
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

“God is Love”

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#160 Apr 13, 2014
Robert Sanders wrote:
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A Spirit.
You should not be deceitful. You know what is in store for you if you continue...

“The Holy Ghost”

Since: Apr 14

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#161 Apr 13, 2014
28 yr Midlo Resident wrote:
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Ephesians 5:11 (KJV)
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
Is there any one in your family
that is not living for God that you fellowship with at all?

Yes or no?
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#162 Apr 13, 2014
NDanger wrote:
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Finkelstein possesses a level of skepticism that finds no place among mainstream scholarship. Experts usually approach the ancient evidence with a degree of confidence, assuming that the literary and material evidence are generally trustworthy unless there is reason for suspicion. Minimalists approach the biblical evidence with an extreme degree of skepticism that they often do not employ elsewhere. They hold the biblical text to an extreme double standard, and disregard the Bible unless incontrovertible extrabiblical evidence is found that corroborates the text. If the same method were applied to reading the daily paper, minimalists would never get past the first paragraph of the lead article.
Not only does Finkelstein have a reputation for criticizing other archaeologists’ conclusions without examining their evidence, but other Israeli archaeologists have been critical and almost dismissive of him and his methods.
There are three (3) sides to every story. Just don't forget the cold hard truth...
If you do not have an open mind but rather a mind closed by faith you cannot look at the evidence objectively.

"Belief can alter observation; human confirmation bias is a heuristic that leads a person with a particular belief to see things as reinforcing their belief, even if another observer might disagree.”- Ludwik Fleck

"Archaeology certainly doesn't prove literal readings of the Bible...It calls them into question, and that's what bothers some people. Most people really think that archaeology is out there to prove the Bible. No archaeologist thinks so." - William G. Dever, Professor of Near Eastern Archaeology and Anthropology at the University of Arizona in Tucson specializing in the history of Israel and the Near East in Biblical times

“This is what archaeologists have learned from their excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel.”- Israeli archeologist, professor of archaeology at The Department of Archaeology and Ancient Near Eastern Cultures at Tel Aviv University

Regarding the Exodus of Israelites from Egypt, Egyptian PhD archaeologist Zahi Hawass said,“Really, it’s a myth,”...“This is my career as an archaeologist. I should tell them the truth. If the people are upset, that is not my problem.”- The New York Times, April 3, 2007

Bestselling author of books on religion, the Bible, and Judaism Jonathan Kirsch, writing in the Los Angeles Times, called Finklestein’s book The Bible Unearthed “a brutally honest assessment of what archeology can and cannot tell us about the historical accuracy of the Bible…" - Los Angeles Times, 6 January 2001

Baruch Halpern, professor of Jewish Studies at Pennsylvania State University and leader of the archaeological digs at Megiddo for many years, said (about Israel Finkelstein’s book), "the boldest and most exhilarating synthesis of Bible and archaeology in fifty years…"

“The truth is that virtually every modern archaeologist who has investigated the story of the Exodus, with very few exceptions, agrees that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way it happened, if it happened at all”- Rabbi David Wolpe, The Los Angeles Times 2001

“The Holy Ghost”

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#163 Apr 13, 2014
28 yr Midlo Resident wrote:
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You should not be deceitful. You know what is in store for you if you continue...
How come you are accusing me of being deceitful?

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#164 Apr 13, 2014
Big Al wrote:
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If you do not have an open mind but rather a mind closed by faith you cannot look at the evidence objectively.
"Belief can alter observation; human confirmation bias is a heuristic that leads a person with a particular belief to see things as reinforcing their belief, even if another observer might disagree.”- Ludwik Fleck
"Archaeology certainly doesn't prove literal readings of the Bible...It calls them into question, and that's what bothers some people. Most people really think that archaeology is out there to prove the Bible. No archaeologist thinks so." - William G. Dever, Professor of Near Eastern Archaeology and Anthropology at the University of Arizona in Tucson specializing in the history of Israel and the Near East in Biblical times
“This is what archaeologists have learned from their excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel.”- Israeli archeologist, professor of archaeology at The Department of Archaeology and Ancient Near Eastern Cultures at Tel Aviv University
Regarding the Exodus of Israelites from Egypt, Egyptian PhD archaeologist Zahi Hawass said,“Really, it’s a myth,”...“This is my career as an archaeologist. I should tell them the truth. If the people are upset, that is not my problem.”- The New York Times, April 3, 2007
Bestselling author of books on religion, the Bible, and Judaism Jonathan Kirsch, writing in the Los Angeles Times, called Finklestein’s book The Bible Unearthed “a brutally honest assessment of what archeology can and cannot tell us about the historical accuracy of the Bible…" - Los Angeles Times, 6 January 2001
Baruch Halpern, professor of Jewish Studies at Pennsylvania State University and leader of the archaeological digs at Megiddo for many years, said (about Israel Finkelstein’s book), "the boldest and most exhilarating synthesis of Bible and archaeology in fifty years…"
“The truth is that virtually every modern archaeologist who has investigated the story of the Exodus, with very few exceptions, agrees that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way it happened, if it happened at all”- Rabbi David Wolpe, The Los Angeles Times 2001
An 'open mind'? Finkelstein is on the otherside of that fence. He has a 'closed' mind regarding everything pertaining to the Bible...hence my post...You are just like Ts7...

“This is what archaeologists have learned from their excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel.”- HUH?
Skeeeeptcal

United States

#165 Apr 13, 2014
Robert Sanders wrote:
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A Spirit.
What does a spirit look like when you see in with your eyes?
Skeeeeptcal

United States

#166 Apr 13, 2014
NDanger wrote:
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Quit moving the goalposts. You asked if 'anything' could be proven...
I'm not moving the goalpost..Until someone can show evidence a supernatural event has happened in our natural world it hasn't happened..I'm waiting...
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#167 Apr 13, 2014
NDanger wrote:
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An 'open mind'? Finkelstein is on the otherside of that fence. He has a 'closed' mind regarding everything pertaining to the Bible...hence my post...You are just like Ts7...
“This is what archaeologists have learned from their excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel.”- HUH?
No you are wrong about Professor Finkelstein.

He was born raised and educated a practicing Jew. He was born in Petah Tikva Israel and his parents families lived there for over 100 years. He is a professor at Tel Aviv University a public university in Israel which means that he is an employee of the state of Israel.

Finkelstein’s findings do not help the Israeli government in their well-known battles with the Palestinians over the territory. Finkelstein has every reason in the world to see the archeological evidence as supporting of the biblical stories but he is objective enough to accept the fact that it does not.

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#168 Apr 13, 2014
Skeeeeptcal wrote:
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I'm not moving the goalpost..Until someone can show evidence a supernatural event has happened in our natural world it hasn't happened..I'm waiting...
No, you asked for proof of anything in the Bible. You were shown and now it has to be 'supernatural'... goalposts have been moved...

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#169 Apr 13, 2014
Big Al wrote:
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No you are wrong about Professor Finkelstein.
He was born raised and educated a practicing Jew. He was born in Petah Tikva Israel and his parents families lived there for over 100 years. He is a professor at Tel Aviv University a public university in Israel which means that he is an employee of the state of Israel.
Finkelstein’s findings do not help the Israeli government in their well-known battles with the Palestinians over the territory. Finkelstein has every reason in the world to see the archeological evidence as supporting of the biblical stories but he is objective enough to accept the fact that it does not.
Again...

Minimalists approach the biblical evidence with an extreme degree of skepticism that they often do not employ elsewhere. They hold the biblical text to an extreme double standard, and disregard the Bible unless incontrovertible extrabiblical evidence is found that corroborates the text. If the same method were applied to reading the daily paper, minimalists would never get past the first paragraph of the lead article.

Not only does Finkelstein have a reputation for criticizing other archaeologists’ conclusions without examining their evidence, but other Israeli archaeologists have been critical and almost dismissive of him and his methods.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#170 Apr 13, 2014
NDanger wrote:
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Again...
Minimalists approach the biblical evidence with an extreme degree of skepticism that they often do not employ elsewhere. They hold the biblical text to an extreme double standard, and disregard the Bible unless incontrovertible extrabiblical evidence is found that corroborates the text. If the same method were applied to reading the daily paper, minimalists would never get past the first paragraph of the lead article.
Not only does Finkelstein have a reputation for criticizing other archaeologists’ conclusions without examining their evidence, but other Israeli archaeologists have been critical and almost dismissive of him and his methods.
Nick,
You have sunk to an all-time low in quoting 'Apologetics Press'.
Skeeeeptcal

United States

#171 Apr 14, 2014
NDanger wrote:
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No, you asked for proof of anything in the Bible. You were shown and now it has to be 'supernatural'... goalposts have been moved...
Sorry, I thought you were referring to an earlier post I made about supernatural events..As far as archaeological evidence supporting the bible there's plenty of that, but no evidence any supernatural events ever happened..An example of that would be the myth about of the walls of Jericho. Archaeologists have found the remains of the wall near the Jordan River in the West Bank, but there was no scientific evidence that biblical supernatural event happened..
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#172 Apr 14, 2014
NDanger wrote:
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Again...
Minimalists approach the biblical evidence with an extreme degree of skepticism that they often do not employ elsewhere. They hold the biblical text to an extreme double standard, and disregard the Bible unless incontrovertible extrabiblical evidence is found that corroborates the text. If the same method were applied to reading the daily paper, minimalists would never get past the first paragraph of the lead article.
Not only does Finkelstein have a reputation for criticizing other archaeologists’ conclusions without examining their evidence, but other Israeli archaeologists have been critical and almost dismissive of him and his methods.
I don’t think you understand what the term “open minded” means.

If you are selected for jury duty and the judge asks you if you have seen the media coverage of the case and you say yes he will also ask you if you have formed any conclusions based on what you already know about the case. If you say that you already know the defendant is guilty and that that the evidence can only support your conclusion you will be excused from the jury because you cannot consider the evidence objectively.

Similarly if you are an archeologist and admit that you are already convinced that the bible stories are true and that the archaeological evidence can only support that conclusion you are not open minded and cannot view the evidence objectively.

By the way Israeli archeologist Ze'ev Herzog who took part in the excavations of Tel Hazor and Tel Megiddo also says…

“This is what archaeologists have learned from their excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is that the united monarchy of David and Solomon, which is described by the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom.”

And Professor Yoni Mizrahi, an independent Israeli archaeologist who has worked with the International Atomic Energy Agency, agreed with Israel Finkelstein that "Jewish archaeologists have found no historical or archaeological evidence to back the biblical narrative on the Exodus, the Jews' wandering in Sinai or Joshua's conquest of Canaan." (Middle East Monitor, August 9, 2011)

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

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#173 Apr 14, 2014
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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Nick,
You have sunk to an all-time low in quoting 'Apologetics Press'.
Well, as long as it's not a 'new' all time low...then I'm still good...

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#174 Apr 14, 2014
Skeeeeptcal wrote:
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Sorry, I thought you were referring to an earlier post I made about supernatural events..As far as archaeological evidence supporting the bible there's plenty of that, but no evidence any supernatural events ever happened..An example of that would be the myth about of the walls of Jericho. Archaeologists have found the remains of the wall near the Jordan River in the West Bank, but there was no scientific evidence that biblical supernatural event happened..
Walls collapsing? What type of 'scientific evidence' do you need? Maybe the domino effect happened, or there was a seismic event...neither of which would relinquish any scientific evidence of the sorts...
Skeeeeptcal

United States

#175 Apr 14, 2014
NDanger wrote:
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Walls collapsing? What type of 'scientific evidence' do you need? Maybe the domino effect happened, or there was a seismic event...neither of which would relinquish any scientific evidence of the sorts...
There is no evidence the biblical God is not a myth..You got some?

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#176 Apr 14, 2014
Skeeeeptcal wrote:
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There is no evidence the biblical God is not a myth..You got some?
As ya'll tout here, "you can't prove a double negative"...

Do you have evidence GOD is a myth?
Skeeeeptcal

United States

#177 Apr 15, 2014
NDanger wrote:
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Do you have evidence GOD is a myth?
Yes, the evidence your god doesn't exist is the lack of any evidence it does....Then there's the tornado's you claim your God created ripping up the Bible belt sometimes killing people in Church while they worship this God..Is that enough evidence for ya?

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