"Under God" Under Fire in MA

"Under God" Under Fire in MA

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Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#1 Sep 5, 2013
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/04/20...

About time. This constitutional violation should be removed. If you want to believe in God, fine. But it has no business in our pledge to our nation.

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#2 Sep 5, 2013
The "under God" is unconstitutional in a pledge to a secular nation. Can you figure out why?

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#3 Sep 5, 2013
I am anxious to hear the decision. I hear it might not happen for up to 6 months though... :-/
lol

Pineville, WV

#4 Sep 5, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
The "under God" is unconstitutional in a pledge to a secular nation. Can you figure out why?
No matter how hard you try, this is NOT a SECULAR nation.

http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2012/aug/...

Third, Supreme Court rulings for the entire first century of American existence boldly declared that "Christianity was a part of the common law of the land." In fact, the Constitution is only officially considered to be one of the fundamental laws of the United States. The Declaration of Independence is another and is so stated in the U.S. Code. As Samuel Adams put it: "Before the formation of the Constitution … this Declaration of Independence was received and ratified by all the states in the Union and has never been disannulled." The Declaration, which grounds our liberties upon God, was always considered to be interrelated to the Constitution in the same sense as articles of incorporation are related to the bylaws of a company. The Articles bring the entity into existence and the bylaws manage how that entity is to be run. Thus, the founders needed not place their sense of values in the Constitution since this had already been done in the Declaration.

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#5 Sep 5, 2013
lol wrote:
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No matter how hard you try, this is NOT a SECULAR nation.
http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2012/aug/...
Third, Supreme Court rulings for the entire first century of American existence boldly declared that "Christianity was a part of the common law of the land." In fact, the Constitution is only officially considered to be one of the fundamental laws of the United States. The Declaration of Independence is another and is so stated in the U.S. Code. As Samuel Adams put it: "Before the formation of the Constitution … this Declaration of Independence was received and ratified by all the states in the Union and has never been disannulled." The Declaration, which grounds our liberties upon God, was always considered to be interrelated to the Constitution in the same sense as articles of incorporation are related to the bylaws of a company. The Articles bring the entity into existence and the bylaws manage how that entity is to be run. Thus, the founders needed not place their sense of values in the Constitution since this had already been done in the Declaration.
It IS a secular nation..and your "source" is an opinion piece from this guy

Bill Lockwood is minister of Iowa Park Church of Christ. Contact him at billnitalockwood@yahoo.com.
Posted August 4, 2012 at 3 a.m.

Hardly an historian..and definitely NOT a Christian.

"Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God."

"Live in the world, not of the world."

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#6 Sep 5, 2013
EmpAtheist wrote:
I am anxious to hear the decision. I hear it might not happen for up to 6 months though...:-/
It will be quite a battle, I am sure...even in MA. But this is an unconstitutional stand whose time has come.
lol

Pineville, WV

#8 Sep 6, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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It will be quite a battle, I am sure...even in MA. But this is an unconstitutional stand whose time has come.
This BS comes up from time to time and every time the whiny atheists gets put in his place. You actually think any government branch, THAT OPENS EVERY SESSION WITH A PRAYER TO GOD ALMIGHTY, to actually waste their time on triviality such as this? LOL

I'm sure there are many who will take that unconstitutional money with "In God We Trust" engraved on it off your "secular" hands.

lol

Since: Nov 12

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#9 Sep 7, 2013
That's sad

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#10 Sep 7, 2013
lol wrote:
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This BS comes up from time to time and every time the whiny atheists gets put in his place. You actually think any government branch, THAT OPENS EVERY SESSION WITH A PRAYER TO GOD ALMIGHTY, to actually waste their time on triviality such as this? LOL
I'm sure there are many who will take that unconstitutional money with "In God We Trust" engraved on it off your "secular" hands.
lol
"In God We Trust" wasn't added to our currency until the Civil War, you lying idiot.

Prior to the Civil War, no mention of God appeared on our currency. We began as a secular nation, and we are still a secular nation.

If we aren't secular, then we are a theocracy.

Are you claiming we're a theocracy? If you are then you're an even bigger idiot than we all already believed.

If we're not a theocracy, then what are we? Say it out loud, moron, nice and slowly: a s-e-c-u-l-a-r n-a-t-i-o-n.

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#11 Sep 7, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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"In God We Trust" wasn't added to our currency until the Civil War, you lying idiot.
Prior to the Civil War, no mention of God appeared on our currency. We began as a secular nation, and we are still a secular nation.
If we aren't secular, then we are a theocracy.
Are you claiming we're a theocracy? If you are then you're an even bigger idiot than we all already believed.
If we're not a theocracy, then what are we? Say it out loud, moron, nice and slowly: a s-e-c-u-l-a-r n-a-t-i-o-n.
It upsets them because the born again evangelical movement agenda lists democrats, humanists and secular nation as the works of the devil...rather pathetic to think there are adults who buy this stuff, huh?

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