What is the origin of the Catholic Ch...

What is the origin of the Catholic Church?

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FreeChic

United States

#1 Feb 4, 2013
This explains why Catholicism doesn't aline with Christianity, but more so, paganism.

http://www.gotquestions.org/origin-Catholic-c...
socci

Lawson, MO

#2 Feb 4, 2013

Yes there are many pages online about this, and of course the books by Hislop. I think Simon Magus had a hand in forming the Roman Church.

www.youtube.com/watch...

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#3 Feb 4, 2013
FreeChic wrote:
This explains why Catholicism doesn't aline with Christianity, but more so, paganism.
http://www.gotquestions.org/origin-Catholic-c...
I have a few qustions.

1. Upon what Biblical and extrabiblical evidence does the Catholic Church base it's claim to apostolic sucession:

2. Who argued there should be four Gospels rather than three or five? When, where and why?

The point is, if you don't know what you are arguing against you can not argue against it.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#4 Feb 4, 2013
socci wrote:
Yes there are many pages online about this, and of course the books by Hislop. I think Simon Magus had a hand in forming the Roman Church.
www.youtube.com/watch...
It doesn't matter what you think. If you cannot provide source documents you have nothing.

“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#5 Feb 4, 2013
More fundies bashin others faiths.. tiring.. oh so TIRING!

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

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#6 Feb 4, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
<quoted text>
I have a few qustions.
1. Upon what Biblical and extrabiblical evidence does the Catholic Church base it's claim to apostolic sucession:
2. Who argued there should be four Gospels rather than three or five? When, where and why?
The point is, if you don't know what you are arguing against you can not argue against it.
15TH,
I wonder if it has ever crossed the minds of any of these fundies who bash the Catholic faith so that there are NO Catholics here, and never have been, who consistently bash the Protestant faith.
There has to be a reason for this.

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#7 Feb 4, 2013
FreeChic wrote:
This explains why Catholicism doesn't align with Christianity, but more so, paganism.
http://www.gotquestions.org/origin-Catholic-c...
Weird, but in HS, my best friend who was schooled by the Catholics always called me a Pagan...WTF?

I'm gonna email him this post...

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#8 Feb 4, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>
15TH,
I wonder if it has ever crossed the minds of any of these fundies who bash the Catholic faith so that there are NO Catholics here, and never have been, who consistently bash the Protestant faith.
There has to be a reason for this.
I believe it was Saturday Padre allowed for the possibility that Buddha is a saint.

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#9 Feb 4, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
<quoted text>
I have a few qustions.
1. Upon what Biblical and extrabiblical evidence does the Catholic Church base it's claim to apostolic sucession:
2. Who argued there should be four Gospels rather than three or five? When, where and why?
The point is, if you don't know what you are arguing against you can not argue against it.
I have only one question.

Where is there more factual evidence of where Peter, the Catholic churches "self proclaimed first pope" actually buried?

http://youtu.be/B3lLYOGDsts

Since: Nov 10

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#10 Feb 4, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe it was Saturday Padre allowed for the possibility that Buddha is a saint.
Have you found a link to your church yet? You'd hate to be known as someone that can talk the talk but cant walk the walk wouldn't you Lamo?

Since: Nov 10

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#11 Feb 4, 2013
Troth for Leogere wrote:
More fundies bashin others faiths.. tiring.. oh so TIRING!
Then why don't you and your group of fundies take a nap or something?

“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#12 Feb 4, 2013
Huntington Guy wrote:
<quoted text>Then why don't you and your group of fundies take a nap or something?
aint tired.. get used to it.

Since: Nov 10

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#13 Feb 4, 2013
Troth for Leogere wrote:
<quoted text>aint tired.. get used to it.
But you just said you was Troth, just a few post up???

lol Are you lying again Troth???

For Shame For Shame!!!
Cisco Kid

Columbia, CA

#14 Feb 4, 2013
What is the origin of the Catholic Church?

My goodness this is so easy.

First there was God and God spoke a word called Jesus.

Jesus came to earth as man and founded a church.

Jesus apointed Peter to shepherd the church that Jesus built during Jesus' absentia.

St.Peter was the first Pope and there's been many more leading to Popa Benny XVI.

Next question?
Cisco Kid

Columbia, CA

#15 Feb 4, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe it was Saturday Padre allowed for the possibility that Buddha is a saint.
Would that be fat Buddha or ascetic Buddha?

I hope it's happy fat Buddha because that would be more fun to emulate.

Dominus vobiscum
socci

Lawson, MO

#16 Feb 5, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
What is the origin of the Catholic Church?
My goodness this is so easy.
First there was God and God spoke a word called Jesus.
Jesus came to earth as man and founded a church.
Jesus apointed Peter to shepherd the church that Jesus built during Jesus' absentia.
St.Peter was the first Pope and there's been many more leading to Popa Benny XVI.
Next question?

I'm sure you believe all that and im glad you revere Jesus as God, but understand the pope too claims 'vicar of christ' & god on earth?

The church Jesus founded was not at Rome and had little to do with Peter. This is a gnostic claim like those about 'virgin mary' being anything more than a once virgin mother of Jesus.

You pick out one verse about Peter to try and found a Church / empire when the rest of the Bible exposes the false harlot / beast-empire at Rome!
socci

Lawson, MO

#17 Feb 5, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
It doesn't matter what you think. If you cannot provide source documents you have nothing.

We actually do. Rome admits their religious text comes from Egypt and the Vatican is covered in Egypt's sun symbolism including Cleopatra's needle & sun wheel out front. And we know Peter was never in Rome, Paul was. And we know Simon Magus founded a gnostic false church in Rome, and Magus was so revered by Rome they erected a statue to him.

Why else would Rome erect a statue to Simon Magus?

Rome has no source documents otherwise.

Simon Magus = first pope of Rome, not the apostle Peter

The pope has been dethroned.

Caesar go home!
socci

Lawson, MO

#18 Feb 5, 2013
After a rebuke by the aposlt Peter recorded in the book of Acts Hasting’s Dictionary of the Apostolic Church notes: "But it need not be supposed that when Simon broke with the Christians he renounced all he had learned. It is more probable that he carried some of the Christian ideas with him, and that he wove these into a system of his own. This system is a mixture of pagan ideas wrapped with Christian names and identities."(Vol.2, p.496)

We further find in Schaff’s History of the Church a reference to this Simon Magus. He says: "The author, or first representative of this baptized heathenism, according to the uniform testimony of Christian antiquity, is Simon Magus, who unquestionably adulterated Christianity with pagan ideas and practices, and gave himself out, in a pantheistic style for an emanation of God." (Apostolic Christianity, Vol.2, p.566)

Harnack, a church historian, states that Simon Magus "proclaimed a doctrine in which the Jewish faith was strangely and grotesquely mixed with Babylonian myths, together with some Greek additions. The mysterious worship ... in consequence of the widened horizon and the deepening religious feeling, finally the wild syncretism, whose aim WAS A universal religion, all contributed to gain adherents for Simon." (Vol.1, p.244)

Dr. McGiffert, speaking of Simon Magus: "His effort to rival and surpass Jesus very likely began after his contact with the Christians that Luke records. His religious system was apparently a syncretism of Jewish and Oriental elements." (Hasting’s Dictionary of the Apostolic Church, Vol.2, p.497)

Eerdman's Handbook to the History of Christianity notes, "Early Christian writers regarded Simon as the fount of all heresies" (p. 100). The Encyclopaedia Britannica (11th ed.) in its article on Simon Magus identifies him as the "founder of a school of Gnostics and as a father of heresy." Noted historian Edward Gibbon says the Gnostics "blended with the faith of Christ many sublime but obscure tenets which they derived from oriental philosophy." (The Triumph of Christendom in the Roman Empire, p.15)

continues:

www.remnantofgod.org/pope1.htm

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#19 Feb 5, 2013
socci wrote:
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We actually do. Rome admits their religious text comes from Egypt and the Vatican is covered in Egypt's sun symbolism including Cleopatra's needle & sun wheel out front. And we know Peter was never in Rome, Paul was. And we know Simon Magus founded a gnostic false church in Rome, and Magus was so revered by Rome they erected a statue to him.
Why else would Rome erect a statue to Simon Magus?
Rome has no source documents otherwise.
Simon Magus = first pope of Rome, not the apostle Peter
The pope has been dethroned.
Caesar go home!
I guess you don't even know what a source document is.

Gpd bless you.

Jazybird58

“Reality bites”

Since: Dec 11

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#20 Feb 5, 2013
Huntington Guy wrote:
<quoted text>I have only one question.
Where is there more factual evidence of where Peter, the Catholic churches "self proclaimed first pope" actually buried?
http://youtu.be/B3lLYOGDsts
Under ground? Ya know 6 feet down, what a dumbazz.

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