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Flygerian

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Well you are unique in that you are the first person I've had discussions with over the bible that is reluctant for whatever reason (shame, embarrassment,lack of proof??) to be open about your beliefs.....
I mean if your believe in the 'eternal of Israel'(I'm using the term because that's as close as you've come to naming the god that you believe in).... are talking about YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah...the god of Abraham... or is there some other god that you've come up with that I don't know about?
Now as far as sacrifice for sins goes... I'm with you, I don't believe in it but that's because 1, I don't believe in the bible and 2, I find it morally reprehensible.
But you on the other hand claim to believe in the OT and yet you also claim that nowhere in it does 'the eternal of Israel' call for a human sacrifice for sin......and that's your right but if you are honest then you will at least admit that the general consensus on the part of the bible faithful (including scholars) is that he does....
Now as far as the OT goes.....the law given to Moses from the 'eternal of Israel', pointed forward to a Messiah that would come to fulfill the law..... and that this one would die as a sacrifice an offering for sin
Now while there are numerous prophecies in regard to this let's just look at one...
1. I didnt tell you because you were trying to distract. I mean like at your post lol. You didnt come to show proof that God does not exist but instead are trying to bring up human sacrifice

2. Lol no theres nothing in the OT that says the Messiah will come fulfill the law. Are you bearing false witness?
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I refer you Isaiah Ch:53 and regardless of what you believe......this chapter is accepted by OT bible scholars as referring to Jesus...
But even if you wish to argue that point, fine but you no choice (at least no honest choice) but to admit that this passage of scripture, Isaiah is referring to someone that had been selected by 'the eternal of Israel' to die as a sacrifice for sin...
I refer you to the first part of Vs 10 of Isaiah 53,.....and as I can't highlight I'll use upper case...
10 YET IT WAS THE LORDíS WILL TO CRUSH HIM AND CAUSE HIM TO SUFFER, AND THOUGH THE LORD MAKES[C] HIS LIFE AN OFFERING FOR SIN,.......
Now if you are going to fair and reasonable in our discussion.... then even though I don't believe it.... you MUST accept that Isaiah was a prophet of the 'the eternal of Israel', YHWH, and that the book of Isaiah was inspired by the god Abraham,'eternal of Israel'....
That being the case it tells you as plain as can be that the LORD (YHWH) decreed that the subject of this prophecy (accepted to be Jesus by Christians and by far the majority of bible scholars) but hey I'll concede it can be whomever you want it to be)..
In the context of your claim that nowhere in the OT does god ask for human sacrifice for sin, who it is referring to is not important...
What is important though is that in plain English, in that prophecy your god decreed that this person's life would offered as a sin offering....
And the latter half of verse 8 of Isaiah 53, leaves no doubt as to what the 'suffering' would be it read....'FOR HE WAS CUT OFF FROM THE LAND OF THE LIVING;
I refer you to chapter 41, 44, 45, and 49. Tell me in these chapters who Isaiah refers to as the servant. Than go to Isaiah 53 and tell me who the servant is referring to. Deal? Lol CONTEXT. Dont just pick a verse(s), or chapter out of context and pretend like you know the bible
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JJJ wrote:
Now as I have said Fly.... I respect your right to have your own views, own beliefs, even your own unique interpretation of the bible....
But at least accept that it is you who is out of sync with the majority of people including respected bible scholars who believe that the bible is the word of god....
You asked for a scripture specifically stating where the eternal of Israel asked for sacrifice for forgiveness of sins..... well there it is and besides that..... he demanded all sorts of animal sacrifice as well.....
And just like the Catholic priest that hands 'Holy Marys and "Our Fathers' to be said as punishment for sin, the number to be uttered depending on the seriousness of sin...
So too did your 'eternal of Israel' have a scale of animal sacrifice depending on the severity and sin (with concessions made for the poor in that they could substitute a turtle dove or a pigeon for a lamb etc)
But the most expensive sacrifice he asked for was a human sacrifice, the life of the subject of Isaiah Ch 53....
No that is a man speaking about a servant. Who is the servant referred to in Isaiah?
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That idiot is demon possessed. That is why he is the way he is. He will lie to you even when you can read what was posted ...he will still make up a lie...even with the truth right there where you can read it.
He is a retarded idiot.
Can you prove one lie you claim I have told?

I didnt think so lol
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JJJ wrote:
Only the most obstinate and unreasonable of men, or a man that is truly deluded or of low intelligence would argue that the content of Isaiah 53 is NOT referring to the god of the OT decreeing that a human life is to be offered up to carry to sins of mankind (well at least of the Hebrew)...
Now don't get me wrong.... I don't believe in any of this so if you don't believe any of it is true then we are in agreement...
However if this is the case then how do you reconcile your earlier statements that the god of the Hebrews does not ask for human sacrifice?
Out of those verses which one is the God of the Hebrews commanding someone be sacrificed? Ready??? Go!!!
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Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
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I worship the god of mischief
Lol yes I know this. It must be why you're so miserable inside
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Flygerian wrote:
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Can you prove one lie you claim I have told?
I didnt think so lol
YES I CAN PROVE A LIE YOU TOLD...
THIS LIE RIGHT HERE ON THIS SAME THREAD AND PAGE. I DID NOT SAY THIS TO YOU...YOU MADE IT UP AND POSTED IT AS IF I SAID THIS. THAT IS A LIE.

Flygerian
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I worship the god of mischief
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YES I CAN PROVE A LIE YOU TOLD...
THIS LIE RIGHT HERE ON THIS SAME THREAD AND PAGE. I DID NOT SAY THIS TO YOU...YOU MADE IT UP AND POSTED IT AS IF I SAID THIS. THAT IS A LIE.
Flygerian
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I worship the god of mischief
Your gods name is jehovah right? Therefore you worship the god of mischief lol. Plain and simple isnt it?
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Your gods name is jehovah right? Therefore you worship the god of mischief lol. Plain and simple isnt it?
What is the name of your God? If you are not too ashamed of him?
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Flygerian wrote:
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I refer you to chapter 41, 44, 45, and 49. Tell me in these chapters who Isaiah refers to as the servant. Than go to Isaiah 53 and tell me who the servant is referring to. Deal? Lol CONTEXT. Dont just pick a verse(s), or chapter out of context and pretend like you know the bible
No... no deal.... I have already stated that I don't know who Isaiah is referring to and what's more I don't care...

The point is... WHOEVER the passage is referring to is NOT the subject of our discussion...

What is the subject of our discussion is that whoever it is that Isaiah 53 is referring to....

That person is to be put to death (see above) as a sin offering to carry the sins for all..... now the 'all' may refer to mankind or just the Hebrews,(probably the latter since I believe that the OT is nothing more than a reasonably accurate history of a nomadic tribe of goat and sheep herders who like all the other tribes of that time believed in the 'gods')...

So I don't have to tell who you the servant in any of the others chapters that you have listed is because I have not challenged you or even entered into a discussion with you on this topic......
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You on the other hand keep making the asertion that the god of the Hebrews has not asked for a human life to atone sins and as Isaiah 53 shows you are wrong...

Just as animal sacrfices were ooferd up to atone for sin..... so too would a human life be..'PIERCED FOR OUR TRANSGRESSIONS, HE WAS CRUSHED FOR OUR INIQUITIES; and HE WAS CUT OFF FROM THE LAND OF THE LIVING; FOR THE TRANSGRESSION OF MY PEOPLE HE WAS PUNISHED..

And for what reason would this 'servant' be 'pierced, crushed and cut off from the land'?

Because the god of Abraham, MAKES HIS LIFE AN OFFERING FOR SIN,.. and finally..

HE POURED OUT HIS LIFE UNTO DEATH, AND WAS NUMBERED WITH THE TRANSGRESSORS.FOR HE BORE THE SIN OF MANY,
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So nice try at side stepping the issue, diversion, etc but I just wish once you would be honest and give a straight honest answer...

So in conclusion again I don't know who Isaiah is referring to all I know is that passage of scripture is referring to someone having their life taken away as a sin offering....

Someone was going to bear the sins of many and be offered up as a sacrifice... a human sacrifice...

So you reconcile this fact with your claim that nowhere does the god of the Hebrews ask for a human sacrifice to cover the sins of others... and THEN..

Then you can enlighten me as to who the actual person is... and to be truthful even though I don't believe in any of it I'm genuinely interested in hearing who it is that you believe the scripture is referring to...
Flygerian

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No... no deal.... I have already stated that I don't know who Isaiah is referring to and what's more I don't care...
The point is... WHOEVER the passage is referring to is NOT the subject of our discussion...
What is the subject of our discussion is that whoever it is that Isaiah 53 is referring to....
That person is to be put to death (see above) as a sin offering to carry the sins for all..... now the 'all' may refer to mankind or just the Hebrews,(probably the latter since I believe that the OT is nothing more than a reasonably accurate history of a nomadic tribe of goat and sheep herders who like all the other tribes of that time believed in the 'gods')...
So I don't have to tell who you the servant in any of the others chapters that you have listed is because I have not challenged you or even entered into a discussion with you on this topic......
Of course no deal lol. Cuz thats all you do is pick up the bible and then.... Well you dont even do that lol. You just google certain verses and pick them up out of context. If you actually saw who the servant was you would see how foolish it is to assume that its literal. Plus, you would see that nowhere in the passage does God say anything of human sacrifice. Its a man (from another nation NOT ISRAEL) commenting on the plight of the servant. But of course you do not know that because you pick up verses out of context
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Jun 27, 2013
 
JJJ wrote:
You on the other hand keep making the asertion that the god of the Hebrews has not asked for a human life to atone sins and as Isaiah 53 shows you are wrong...
Just as animal sacrfices were ooferd up to atone for sin..... so too would a human life be..'PIERCED FOR OUR TRANSGRESSIONS, HE WAS CRUSHED FOR OUR INIQUITIES; and HE WAS CUT OFF FROM THE LAND OF THE LIVING; FOR THE TRANSGRESSION OF MY PEOPLE HE WAS PUNISHED..
And for what reason would this 'servant' be 'pierced, crushed and cut off from the land'?
Because the god of Abraham, MAKES HIS LIFE AN OFFERING FOR SIN,.. and finally..
HE POURED OUT HIS LIFE UNTO DEATH, AND WAS NUMBERED WITH THE TRANSGRESSORS.FOR HE BORE THE SIN OF MANY,
Who was saying this? Did you read far enough back in the book of Isaiah to figure it out?
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So nice try at side stepping the issue, diversion, etc but I just wish once you would be honest and give a straight honest answer...
So in conclusion again I don't know who Isaiah is referring to all I know is that passage of scripture is referring to someone having their life taken away as a sin offering....
Someone was going to bear the sins of many and be offered up as a sacrifice... a human sacrifice...
So you reconcile this fact with your claim that nowhere does the god of the Hebrews ask for a human sacrifice to cover the sins of others... and THEN..
Then you can enlighten me as to who the actual person is... and to be truthful even though I don't believe in any of it I'm genuinely interested in hearing who it is that you believe the scripture is referring to...
I didnt defer. I asked you to reveal who the servant was (who was named by name at least 5 times prior to Isaiah 53) but you cannot do that. Because you havent read it lol. All you did was google till you found something lol. Thats why it took you this long (months since starting that human sacrifice thread) to find it. If you saw who Isaiah was referring to, then read Isaiah 52, you would know that the verses in chapter 53 are not.... well afteryou figure out who is the servant then we can go over Isaiah 53. Till then, its you just cherrypicking lol

So simply put, read thru chapter 41 for example. The servant is named there. Or Isaiah 49. Theres more but that should do it. Read the whole chapter and tell me the name of the servant. You can do that right? I assume so since you can google and find Isaiah 53
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What is the name of your God? If you are not too ashamed of him?
Explain the lie I told. I mean you said I was lying when I said that you worship the god of mischief and yet you said yourself that you worship jehovah. So wheres the lie in what I said? After you answer that (remember we're alternating?) then I can tell you the name that my God gave
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Explain the lie I told. I mean you said I was lying when I said that you worship the god of mischief and yet you said yourself that you worship jehovah. So wheres the lie in what I said? After you answer that (remember we're alternating?) then I can tell you the name that my God gave
lol
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Flygerian wrote:
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Explain the lie I told. I mean you said I was lying when I said that you worship the god of mischief and yet you said yourself that you worship jehovah. So wheres the lie in what I said? After you answer that (remember we're alternating?) then I can tell you the name that my God gave
My God Jehovah told me the name of your god is Baal. And you are to ashamed of admitting it.
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lol
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lol
I didnt think so lol....

In short my Rock is not the same as your rock lol

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