Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#309 Jun 25, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
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It proves you cannot show us in all the bible were... Abraham and Moses and the children of Israel were Black?
Show me where I said that you said... they were or were not black.
I can show you were you refused to answer if you believed they were black.
Yes because you havent answered any questions of mine. But you're still saying "I dont hide"

If you dont answer my questions why should I answer yours?

lol

lol

Doesnt your prophet say to treat others how you want to be treated?
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#310 Jun 25, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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(I am a) Coward.(I cannot prove that theres no Creator though Im an atheist)
Yes I understand... Thank you for your input :)
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#311 Jun 25, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes because you havent answered any questions of mine. But you're still saying "I dont hide"
If you dont answer my questions why should I answer yours?
lol
lol
Doesnt your prophet say to treat others how you want to be treated?
lol

Liar Liar

Lake of Fire.
Prophet of Jesus Christ

Atlanta, GA

#312 Jun 25, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
lol
Liar Liar
Lake of Fire.
Dont mind me, i just show my ignorance and immaturity with every post.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#315 Jun 26, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
<quoted text>I like to place a slice of Wonder Bread in the urinal in a public restroom , then come back later and nibble on it.
TMI, buddy...
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#316 Jun 26, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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TMI, buddy...
Keep your fantasies to your self lmao
JJJ

Surry Hills, Australia

#317 Jun 26, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
<quoted text>If I choose not to than that is what it is..
Well you are unique in that you are the first person I've had discussions with over the bible that is reluctant for whatever reason (shame, embarrassment,lack of proof??) to be open about your beliefs.....

I mean if your believe in the 'eternal of Israel'(I'm using the term because that's as close as you've come to naming the god that you believe in).... are talking about YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah...the god of Abraham... or is there some other god that you've come up with that I don't know about?

Now as far as sacrifice for sins goes... I'm with you, I don't believe in it but that's because 1, I don't believe in the bible and 2, I find it morally reprehensible.

But you on the other hand claim to believe in the OT and yet you also claim that nowhere in it does 'the eternal of Israel' call for a human sacrifice for sin......and that's your right but if you are honest then you will at least admit that the general consensus on the part of the bible faithful (including scholars) is that he does....

Now as far as the OT goes.....the law given to Moses from the 'eternal of Israel', pointed forward to a Messiah that would come to fulfill the law..... and that this one would die as a sacrifice an offering for sin

Now while there are numerous prophecies in regard to this let's just look at one...
JJJ

Surry Hills, Australia

#319 Jun 26, 2013
I refer you Isaiah Ch:53 and regardless of what you believe......this chapter is accepted by OT bible scholars as referring to Jesus...

But even if you wish to argue that point, fine but you no choice (at least no honest choice) but to admit that this passage of scripture, Isaiah is referring to someone that had been selected by 'the eternal of Israel' to die as a sacrifice for sin...

I refer you to the first part of Vs 10 of Isaiah 53,.....and as I can't highlight I'll use upper case...

10 YET IT WAS THE LORDíS WILL TO CRUSH HIM AND CAUSE HIM TO SUFFER, AND THOUGH THE LORD MAKES[C] HIS LIFE AN OFFERING FOR SIN,.......

Now if you are going to fair and reasonable in our discussion.... then even though I don't believe it.... you MUST accept that Isaiah was a prophet of the 'the eternal of Israel', YHWH, and that the book of Isaiah was inspired by the god Abraham,'eternal of Israel'....

That being the case it tells you as plain as can be that the LORD (YHWH) decreed that the subject of this prophecy (accepted to be Jesus by Christians and by far the majority of bible scholars) but hey I'll concede it can be whomever you want it to be)..

In the context of your claim that nowhere in the OT does god ask for human sacrifice for sin, who it is referring to is not important...

What is important though is that in plain English, in that prophecy your god decreed that this person's life would offered as a sin offering....

And the latter half of verse 8 of Isaiah 53, leaves no doubt as to what the 'suffering' would be it read....'FOR HE WAS CUT OFF FROM THE LAND OF THE LIVING;
JJJ

Surry Hills, Australia

#320 Jun 26, 2013
Now as I have said Fly.... I respect your right to have your own views, own beliefs, even your own unique interpretation of the bible....

But at least accept that it is you who is out of sync with the majority of people including respected bible scholars who believe that the bible is the word of god....

You asked for a scripture specifically stating where the eternal of Israel asked for sacrifice for forgiveness of sins..... well there it is and besides that..... he demanded all sorts of animal sacrifice as well.....

And just like the Catholic priest that hands 'Holy Marys and "Our Fathers' to be said as punishment for sin, the number to be uttered depending on the seriousness of sin...

So too did your 'eternal of Israel' have a scale of animal sacrifice depending on the severity and sin (with concessions made for the poor in that they could substitute a turtle dove or a pigeon for a lamb etc)

But the most expensive sacrifice he asked for was a human sacrifice, the life of the subject of Isaiah Ch 53....
JJJ

Surry Hills, Australia

#321 Jun 26, 2013
You see Fly.... this is why I find you so frustrating...

You claim to believe in 'eternal of Israel', I think you believe in the OT of the bible so putting these two things together then you believe in the god of the Hebrews, YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah...

And if you do believe in this god then and yet still doubt that this god does not require blood sacrifice for sin, including human sacrifice (asking Abraham, and the example above)...

Then perhaps it is I that should be suggesting that it is you that has not read the bible....

Because if you have.... then you are obviously having some difficulties understanding it.
JJJ

Surry Hills, Australia

#323 Jun 26, 2013
And for your benefit the whole chapter....

Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?

2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,and like a root out of dry ground.

He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

3 He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.

Like one from whom people hide their faces he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

4 Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.

5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.

6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.

8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was punished.

9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the Lordís will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.

11 After he has suffered, he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities.

12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.

For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#324 Jun 26, 2013
JJJ wrote:
You see Fly.... this is why I find you so frustrating...
You claim to believe in 'eternal of Israel', I think you believe in the OT of the bible so putting these two things together then you believe in the god of the Hebrews, YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah...
And if you do believe in this god then and yet still doubt that this god does not require blood sacrifice for sin, including human sacrifice (asking Abraham, and the example above)...
Then perhaps it is I that should be suggesting that it is you that has not read the bible....
Because if you have.... then you are obviously having some difficulties understanding it.
That idiot is demon possessed. That is why he is the way he is. He will lie to you even when you can read what was posted ...he will still make up a lie...even with the truth right there where you can read it.

He is a retarded idiot.
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#325 Jun 26, 2013
God told me he use to practice voodoo, that is where a lot of the evil spirits that possess him came from.
JJJ

Surry Hills, Australia

#326 Jun 26, 2013
I appreciate Fly from our discussions (at least I think I do correct me I'm wrong) that you don't believe in the NT..... but that you do believe that Hebrew Scriptures are the word of god.

Okay so within that context ..... you can still argue as whether or not you believe that Chapter 53 of Isaiah was referring to the man Jesus,

In fact you can argue as to whether or not a man called Jesus or any other man for that matter fulfilled the prophecy penned as Chapter 53 of Isaiah ....

But in regard to the Old Testament, what you cannot argue against Fly is this:

That Isaiah is considered by the bible faithful, both Christian and Hebrew, as well as scholars, to be a true prophet of the OT biblical god.....

You also have to accept that the bible faithful, both Christian and Hebrew, also believe that what is written in the OT of the bible is the word of god..... that he inspired Isaiah and others to write what they did....

And finally it is beyond doubt that passages of chapter 54 are talking about a human life being offered up as a sacrifice, a sin offering.... observe some examples:
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#327 Jun 26, 2013
God told me

He is with some of those retarded idiots you can watch on youtube that believe that Abraham and Moses and the children of Israel were black people and that they are the real and only Israelites.
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#328 Jun 26, 2013
They are all just a bunch of retarded idiot possessed with demons.
JJJ

Surry Hills, Australia

#329 Jun 26, 2013
vs 4 & 5

Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted.

5 But he WAS PIERCED FOR OUR TRANSGRESSIONS, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.

vs 6

WE ALL, LIKE SHEEP, HAVE GONE ASTRAY, each of us has turned to our own way; AND THE LORD HAS LAID ON HIM THE INIQUITY OF US ALL

7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; HE WAS LED LIKE A LAMB TO THE SLAUGHTER and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.

8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested? For he was cut off from the land of the living; FOR THE TRANSGRESSION OF MY PEOPLE HE WAS PUNISHED

10 Yet it was the Lordís will TO CRUSH HIM AND CAUSE HIM TO SUFFER, and though THE LORD MAKES HIS LIFE AN OFFERING FOR SIN he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
JJJ

Surry Hills, Australia

#330 Jun 26, 2013
Only the most obstinate and unreasonable of men, or a man that is truly deluded or of low intelligence would argue that the content of Isaiah 53 is NOT referring to the god of the OT decreeing that a human life is to be offered up to carry to sins of mankind (well at least of the Hebrew)...

Now don't get me wrong.... I don't believe in any of this so if you don't believe any of it is true then we are in agreement...

However if this is the case then how do you reconcile your earlier statements that the god of the Hebrews does not ask for human sacrifice?
JJJ

Surry Hills, Australia

#331 Jun 26, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
God told me he use to practice voodoo, that is where a lot of the evil spirits that possess him came from.
*smile*
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#332 Jun 26, 2013
JJJ wrote:
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*smile*
How come you do not know God?

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