Why evolution is true
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#987 Jul 6, 2013
Conservative wrote:
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Can you provide a link to those "stats" or is the reading public supposed to believe it because evangelical "Job" said so.
http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/...
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#988 Jul 6, 2013
Conservative wrote:
<quoted text> That's only your opinion coming from a person who believes horseshoe crabs are only thousands of years old, rather than 445 Million Years Old. That pretty much shows what your opinion is worth on this public forum.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/...
Your posts direct and indirect to me did not go unnoticed. I haven't responded not so much because I don't want to respond to you or discuss the content of you quotes, but more so because of the message you seem to send. This post is a prime example.

What I get from your post here, is that in your opinion, my opinion is not valid. Don't get me wrong, I respect your opinion, and am not the least bit offended. But what more is there to say? At this point, I'm not avoiding you, I'm just respecting your opinion, on an opinion you.

Negative opinions are going to be inevitable. But at some point, one has to decide whether or not it's worthwhile to begin to engage, or continue on in forum communication.
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#989 Jul 6, 2013
At this point, I'm not avoiding you, I'm just respecting your opinion, on an opinion you have.
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#990 Jul 6, 2013
Job wrote:
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Your posts direct and indirect to me did not go unnoticed. I haven't responded not so much because I don't want to respond to you or discuss the content of you quotes, but more so because of the message you seem to send. This post is a prime example.
What I get from your post here, is that in your opinion, my opinion is not valid. Don't get me wrong, I respect your opinion, and am not the least bit offended. But what more is there to say? At this point, I'm not avoiding you, I'm just respecting your opinion, on an opinion you.
Negative opinions are going to be inevitable. But at some point, one has to decide whether or not it's worthwhile to begin to engage, or continue on in forum communication.
Do you agree with this?

Luke, Chapter 14, 33: So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#991 Jul 6, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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If God creates every human, then he creates millions of humans that never live to see the light of day. Unintended miscarriages are God's abortions.
That fact alone negates the value of your God and makes him unworthy of respect or reverence. In fact, it makes him a monster.
So, either God exists and he's a monster, or he doesn't exist except in people's imaginations.
If I were God I would choose the latter. Better to not exist and be worshiped than exist and be reviled.
Checkmate.
Everyone here is 'reviled'. There is not a human on earth who is not reviled by someone(s). Being 'reviled' is inevitable. We are all reviled by a view we hold, and even if we change that view, someone will revile us for making that change. And we are reviled for things we can't do anything about (race, ethnicity, etc.).

If being reviled were against the law, you'd be in prison.

There are only a given number of humans that revile God. There are also a given number who hold Him in the highest of regards.
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#992 Jul 6, 2013
Job wrote:
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Everyone here is 'reviled'. There is not a human on earth who is not reviled by someone(s). Being 'reviled' is inevitable. We are all reviled by a view we hold, and even if we change that view, someone will revile us for making that change. And we are reviled for things we can't do anything about (race, ethnicity, etc.).
If being reviled were against the law, you'd be in prison.
There are only a given number of humans that revile God. There are also a given number who hold Him in the highest of regards.
Are you a disciple of Christ?
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#993 Jul 6, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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Then HighlyEvolved has the wrong Joey. The two of you are talking about two different Joeys.
Well, it was an honest mistake.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#994 Jul 6, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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"Religion is based, I think, primarily and mainly upon fear …fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand.”-- Bertrand Russell
Your variety of Christianity is a perfect example. You are afraid of science (evolution) when it contradicts your beliefs because you would have to accept the fact that at least some of your beliefs are wrong just as Martin Luther and Cardinal Belllarmine were afraid to accept heliocentric theory. If you accept the fact that some of your beliefs are wrong the fear that your eternal reward in heaven will not be there takes control. The more afraid you become the more condemnations to hellfire you spout.
Only "FOOLS" do not fear God/Hell.

Proverbs 1:7
7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, But fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#995 Jul 6, 2013
Job wrote:
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However Jesus doesn't advocate slavery and exclusion. As far as gentiles not being worthy of grace,

in context, no one, Jew or gentile is 'worthy' of grace.

He also didn't come to divide households 'or' turn family members against one another. Does the law wish to split up 'crime families'? No. But they will attempt to turn individual family members 'away' from that family as long as that family is involved in crime. Does that mean that non-Christians are 'criminals'? No, not in the earthly sense. But we do see family members disown other family members for converting to Christianity.
No one is worthy, yet we live in a nation where MOST Xtians say they have received it and received it in a irrevocable form...

Weird that you use a crime family as an example...thats the best you could conjure...sort of speaks towards "our" side of the argument...

And this notion of a family disowning a member for a Xtian conversion (if only to a diff sect) is pretty specious...downright lame...

Plus thats not even remotely close to what the Bible passage in Q is speaking to...not even in the same city let alone ballpark...
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#996 Jul 6, 2013
Job wrote:
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Everyone here is 'reviled'. There is not a human on earth who is not reviled by someone(s). Being 'reviled' is inevitable. We are all reviled by a view we hold, and even if we change that view, someone will revile us for making that change. And we are reviled for things we can't do anything about (race, ethnicity, etc.).
If being reviled were against the law, you'd be in prison.
There are only a given number of humans that revile God. There are also a given number who hold Him in the highest of regards.
As far as I know, the only time I have ever been reviled, is for my atheism. By theists.

Otherwise revilement for anything else has never entered into the equation...that I know of...as I would think if someone reviled me I would find out about it somehow...it being such a strong emotional reaction to someone...

And here we are back to a select number...do any of you Believers know the exact number of those for and/or against this God? Did any of you get a special button for the For-side? From this God, direct...that you could show us as proof...cause a lot of you all claim to be chosen, and in possession of an irrevocable pass to his Night club...
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#997 Jul 6, 2013
Job wrote:
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But aside from all of that, what Jesus advocates is a lifelong commitment between one man and one woman. If from day one, every man and woman had a monogamous lifelong marriage, what do you think life would like today? How would the problem of broken homes look today? How would life look like 'without' prostitution, human trafficking? Where would STD stand (would it even exist?)?

Jesus advocated monogamous marriages. Is monogamous marriages dangerous?
Do you honestly think monogamy would cure all these ills?

Do you really think that monogamy would somehow eradicate naturally occurring viruses and the like?

Its sort of funny, sort of, how much weight American Xtians give to monogamy...while the numbers point to them being the biggest violators of it...and yet want to deny a small segment of a small segment (gays) of society a shot at being monogamous by law.

IMO, this marriage issue is so hot for Xtians right now, mostly American ones, because its one of last stands for you guys. Whats left after "you" lose this battle over "control" of what a marriage should be? Oh right there's abortion...which is a political war being waged in a pretty dishonest way at the moment..but what's left to attack after this loss...?

Will American Xtianity actually turn towards real issues, real problems facing a large swath of the Xtian community, like teen pregnancy, poverty, etc...

How about attacking the worship of Wall St in Govt? How about a real War on poverty Or illness? Or health-care, and make it something REAL Xtians deem an inalienable right, and not a thing to be reviled as socialist, the work of the anti-christ (obama) and counter-productive to the Free-Market God...? How about the revitalization of Unions and re-protection of Workers Rights and their importance in protecting and bolstering the American middle class, of which many salt of the earth Americans, Xtians or other populate...

Whats the next unimportant front you folks are gonna attack, or will it now be time to really do some real Xtian work...?
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#998 Jul 6, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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Only "FOOLS" do not fear God/Hell.
Proverbs 1:7
7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, But fools despise wisdom and instruction.
"And the Lord said, fear the ones who claim to speak for me, and use words of men as my own - for they are the real fools and a special place in hell has been set aside for them..."
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#999 Jul 6, 2013
Job wrote:
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Well, it was an honest mistake.
Job whats your POV on your remark and few pages back about self-sufficiency...you said it's something that tempts Xtians...and as such is bad...(words to that effect)

So whats wrong with it? I still cant figure that one out...?
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#1000 Jul 6, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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You're eternal addy:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Which part of this makes you blow your load?

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#1001 Jul 6, 2013
Punisher wrote:
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"And the Lord said, fear the ones who claim to speak for me, and use words of men as my own - for they are the real fools and a special place in hell has been set aside for them..."
Your opinion?

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#1002 Jul 6, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Which part of this makes you blow your load?
Romans 1 "REPROBATE MIND"
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#1003 Jul 6, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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Your opinion?
Jesus said you are going to hell because you are not his disciple.

Jesus said you are not a Christian.

Luke, Chapter 14, 33: So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#1004 Jul 6, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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Romans 1 "REPROBATE MIND"
Jesus said you are going to hell because you are not his disciple.

Jesus said you are not a Christian.

Luke, Chapter 14, 33: So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#1006 Jul 6, 2013
Job wrote:
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However Jesus doesn't advocate slavery and exclusion.
Sure he does.

If Jesus is God, and always was God, then everything God did or said applies to Jesus.

Jesus therefore selected the Jews to be his chosen people, and told them it was okay to enslave non-Jews but not to enslave each other.

Jesus said that a woman who wasn't a virgin on her wedding night should be executed.

Jesus drowned an untold number of unborn babies in the Flood, then claimed that all humans were evil and had evil thoughts from childhood. Since childhood begins AFTER you are born and you cannot have thoughts until AFTER you have a brain, Jesus admits to murdering an untold number of innocent and unthinking unborn babies.

So you're basically screwed either way - if Jesus is the God of the OT then he is a monster. And if Jesus is not God then Christianity is a sham.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#1007 Jul 6, 2013
Job wrote:
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Jesus advocated monogamous marriages.
If Jesus is God and has always been God, then he blessed polygamous marriages with children (Lamech, Solomon, etc.)

If Jesus isn't God then Christianity is a sham.

By the way, why is your God such a male chauvinist? In the Bible a man can have more than one wife, but a woman cannot have more than one husband.

And only a woman can be put to death for having sex before marriage, which means that God thinks of women as property.

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