Why evolution is true
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#619 Jun 21, 2013
Job wrote:
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From my experience, there's really nothing for any man, or even Christian to boast about as far as 'themselves'. There's absolutely 'nothing' for 'me' to boast. I mean to say that with all conviction and 'honesty'.
I personally tend to shy away from attempts to claim who is and who isn't a genuine believer. The only exceptions would be someone like Adolph Hitler who made certain references to the Christian faith, and Jesus Christ. And it's not only based on the actions he performed, but also his very own words that were 'contrary' to Christian belief.
I was a professed Christian 'twice' before I became a 'believer'. The two prior occasions there were people who thought I became a believer simply because I made that profession that generally identifies one as am orthodox 'born again' Christian. For some reason, the third time did it. Unfortunately, I wasn't one of those Christians who walked a solid walk after conversion. I admire those Christians that have, but I was one who found out the hard way that I've got a spiritual bungey-cord so to speak. I took 'grace' to an extreme in thinking that God's 'grace' would allow me to continue doing the things I've always done. That God only 'preferred' that I follow 'His' way, but it's not mandatory.
I've found out that this particular verse that doesn't get mentioned much (it seems) is quite serious:
&#9668; 1 Corinthians 6:20 &#9658;
New International Version (©2011)
you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.
That "being bought at a price", I found out, is very serious.
Do you remember the soul musician Rick James? Sometime after his success he became a professed Christian. While I can't say for sure that he was, in my personal opinion I believe he was. He did go back into his old lifestyle, falling deeper into what I guess we could say was depravity that involved a rape charge. Many would say he wasn't a true Christian. However, if God sealed him, bought him at a price, all those incidences (rape charge, a stroke) were severe chastening that eventually lead to God taking him home. I could be wrong of course, but from experience, being one who I believe for whatever reason God chose to separate from the world so to speak, the results of walking 'contrary' to God's will get harder and harder. But through it all God's mercy stands out more and more.
"Contrary to Xtian Belief." Now that's loaded phrase, huh? Been many things to many Xtians thru history. Not all of it good, and that my point.

Adolf was raised in a culture where Xtian belief had a long history of Jewish persecution - that dated all the way back to Xtianity's origins of legality. Jesus killers, nuff said.

So again, I will repeat this till the cow and the bull jump over the moon. No one can take another persons Xtian Faith away from them...least of all those who learned a conflicting set of beliefs. Cant take it away from the pro-slave Xtians, or the vast majority of German, especially German Lutherans, and other European Xtians who truly believed that the Jews were actual devils in human form. Who were taught that by their priests/preachers and whoever else.

Their Faith, their Religion taught them that! Which was wholly supported by the fact that their various Churches had so much power over their social and community lives.

As a matter of course Humans will split off and accuse others of this or that evil (usually unfounded) BUT Religions always ratchet those divisions up and up and up for the glory and service of their God!

And that is the whole point about keeping Religions and their myriad beliefs the hell out of the Civil legal and legislative systems. They all seek to divide at some point, and they make it a morality play when they do...
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#620 Jun 21, 2013
Job wrote:
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This has nothing to do with what I'm asking.
How can creating a universe 'not' be 'supernatural' by 'human' standards? Or let's put it this way, if 'you' were to create a universe, what exactly would you do (or what would be the first thing you would do)?
I was trying to get you to understand that science deals in natural explanations for real world phenomena based on observation, evidence and reason. Once you have decided that creation could only have occurred by supernatural means you have removed creation from the scope of science.

“However, before we come to [special] creation, which puts an end to all discussion: I think we should try everything else.”- Johannes Kepler

Kepler understood that to claim supernatural (special) creation puts an end to scientific inquiry. In your mind it may be a settled fact that creation has to be supernatural but you are a believer not a thinker.

No scientist at this point in time claims to know exactly how the universe began but they are asking questions and researching “natural” explanations.

"What I have done is to show that it is possible for the way the universe began to be determined by the laws of science.…This doesn't prove that there is no God, only that God is not necessary." - Stephen Hawking

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#622 Jun 21, 2013
Job wrote:
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This has nothing to do with what I'm asking.
How can creating a universe 'not' be 'supernatural' by 'human' standards? Or let's put it this way, if 'you' were to create a universe, what exactly would you do (or what would be the first thing you would do)?
Why would you think that a natural origin of the universe (assuming it had one; for all we know it may have always existed in one form or another) would be supernatural?

You're confusing "awesome" or "beyond my comprehension" with "supernatural."

This is what frustrates me the most: when people don't know how something happened and can't fathom a logical reason, they invent a supernatural reason (which is always irrational.)

You don't get to go from "the universe is beyond human comprehension"to "God did it."

If you cannot fathom the universe, and God created it (meaning he is even more complex than the universe) then how can you possibly understand God?

It's a silly argument.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#623 Jun 21, 2013
666SATAN666 wrote:
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ASA??? WTF... what is that some backyard circle jerk club?... When the National Academy of Science recognizes them, they might have some credibility... a bunch of jerk offs trying to gather money and based on faith on faith and belief.....science operates on the scientific method, not faith and belief...
Go to the link and read who they really are and hat they are really doing, idiot!

They are working scientists trying to explain to other Christians how science really works and how you can be a person of faith AND a working scientist.

Since: Feb 10

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#624 Jun 21, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>God is on earth right now and it's always been her intent to live on earth. VWD Day will come by the end of 2014. Vengeance, Wrath, and Destruction. The first Day of the Lord.
"God is on earth right now and it's always been her intent to live on earth."

Typical female, won't move in until the upholsterer has finished.

"VWD Day will come by the end of 2014. Vengeance, Wrath, and Destruction. The first Day of the Lord."

I think you have VD on the brain.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#625 Jun 21, 2013
666SATAN666 wrote:
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ASA??? WTF... what is that some backyard circle jerk club?... When the National Academy of Science recognizes them, they might have some credibility... a bunch of jerk offs trying to gather money and based on faith on faith and belief.....science operates on the scientific method, not faith and belief...
My point was to show that most Christian scientists accept the theory of evolution.

“Scientists with young-earth views are welcome in ASA, but most Christian scientists (both inside and outside ASA) think the earth is old.”

“…my own position is that there is no inherent conflict between evolutionary theory and a Christian faith… This theory is no mere guess or hunch, but an extremely well-supported explanation of the observed record of organic change.…Christian theologians representing many theological traditions (including evangelicals) have long recognized that a faithful reading of Scripture does not demand a young earth, nor does it prohibit God's use of evolutionary mechanisms to accomplish His creative will.”- Keith B Miller, Department of Geology Kansas State University, President of the new Manhattan, Kansas Chapter of the ASA, Fellow of the ASA

“praying for you!”

Since: Mar 13

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#626 Jun 21, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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Wow, stuff is happening in Europe AND England? I never knew that England wasn't in Europe. Good thing I read your posts, or I'd miss out on a lot of cool facts!
Just kidding. You're one of the most illiterate and uneducated a$$wipes on this thread.
Your point was that God is mentioned in states' constitutions. My point was that you're an idiot.
I win.
really? what do you win?
an eternity in hell?
wow, congratulations.

the state constitutions DO mention God
google it.

“praying for you!”

Since: Mar 13

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#627 Jun 21, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, you can, but I can also sit next to you and shout you down. I can blast music or just static and drown you out and be within my rights.
Have you now or ever pledged your "allegiance (note the spelling that word)...to the flag of the United States of America"...?
If you have you're a sinner!
no you can't shout me down or blast music
the constitution says you can PEACEFULLY protest.
and in most places loud music is quickly stiffled by the police.

waaaaaaaaaaa? you calling every soldier and military a sinner for pledging their ALLEGIANCE to their country which they fought and many died for? YOU are dumber than a 10 pound bag of stupid.

you don't not sin by being faithful to your country.
you sin when you aren't.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#632 Jun 21, 2013
Job wrote:
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This has nothing to do with what I'm asking.
How can creating a universe 'not' be 'supernatural' by 'human' standards? Or let's put it this way, if 'you' were to create a universe, what exactly would you do (or what would be the first thing you would do)?
Job, you ask by far the stupidest questions in all of Topix.

Since: Feb 10

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#634 Jun 21, 2013
Walterwalter wrote:
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really? what do you win?
an eternity in hell?
wow, congratulations.
the state constitutions DO mention God
google it.
I know they do. So what? Roman coins had pictures of Zeus. Your mother has a tattoo of me on her left breast.

None of it means anything.

“Valar Morghulis”

Since: Jun 13

All Men Must Die

#635 Jun 22, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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"God is on earth right now and it's always been her intent to live on earth."
Typical female, won't move in until the upholsterer has finished.
"VWD Day will come by the end of 2014. Vengeance, Wrath, and Destruction. The first Day of the Lord."
I think you have VD on the brain.
Venereal Wart Disorder Day

“Valar Morghulis”

Since: Jun 13

All Men Must Die

#636 Jun 22, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>No. Everybody is a new spirit but it is possible to be reincarnated if you went to heaven. You can be reincarnated multiple times and people choose to do this for different reasons. If you go to hell it's all over with, you're history. Both Adam (Satan) and Jesus (Lucifer) went to heaven when they died mainly to preserve their lives. They both have been sent back, kicked out. Adam would be reincarnated to be the father of the Messiah. He was the son of God and was the only one who could genetically bring Messiah/God into the world. It was always Gods' intent to live on earth. Jesus is the leader of the sons of darkness.
Crazier than Carrie's mom
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#637 Jun 22, 2013
JesusMyLord wrote:
<quoted text>If there were evidence for evolution then we would have found it by now. All of the claims and evidence would not be missing. It is like the equation.
1+_+_+_2+_+_=69. They just fill in the blanks to get the predetermined answer.
“If there were real proof that the sun is in the centre of the universe… then we should have to proceed with great circumspection in explaining the passages of Scripture which appear to teach the contrary, and rather admit that we did not understand them… as for myself, I shall not believe that there are such proofs…”– Cardinal Bellarmine, during the trial of Galileo

Does that sound familiar?

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#638 Jun 22, 2013
SONOFSATAN wrote:
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It is at the Smithsonian....use the back entrance where the morons and retards are escorted by the parents...
Evolution has been demonstrated and observed... grow up ....now show us evidence for the supernatural...
"Observed"? What took 'millions and millions' of years...you are now observing it? LMELAO!!!

Cosmic evolution: the origin of time, space, and matter from nothing in the “big bang”
Chemical evolution: all elements “evolved” from hydrogen
Stellar evolution: stars and planets formed from gas clouds
Organic evolution: life begins from inanimate matter
Macro-evolution: animals and plants change from one type into another
Micro-evolution: variations form within the “kind”

Out of all of these, which have YOU 'observed', or anyone for that matter...

I'll wait for your answer...

“Valar Morghulis”

Since: Jun 13

All Men Must Die

#639 Jun 22, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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"Observed"? What took 'millions and millions' of years...you are now observing it? LMELAO!!!
Cosmic evolution: the origin of time, space, and matter from nothing in the “big bang”
Chemical evolution: all elements “evolved” from hydrogen
Stellar evolution: stars and planets formed from gas clouds
Organic evolution: life begins from inanimate matter
Macro-evolution: animals and plants change from one type into another
Micro-evolution: variations form within the “kind”
Out of all of these, which have YOU 'observed', or anyone for that matter...
I'll wait for your answer...
Quit wording your statements like they were written by a total moron

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#640 Jun 22, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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"Observed"? What took 'millions and millions' of years...you are now observing it? LMELAO!!!
Cosmic evolution: the origin of time, space, and matter from nothing in the “big bang”
Chemical evolution: all elements “evolved” from hydrogen
Stellar evolution: stars and planets formed from gas clouds
Organic evolution: life begins from inanimate matter
Macro-evolution: animals and plants change from one type into another
Micro-evolution: variations form within the “kind”
Out of all of these, which have YOU 'observed', or anyone for that matter...
I'll wait for your answer...
Gee, Nick, you're just going to have to accept the fact that smart people can see things you can't. And the smart people are just going to accept the fact that you can see magic and they can't.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#641 Jun 22, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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"Observed"? What took 'millions and millions' of years...you are now observing it? LMELAO!!!
Cosmic evolution: the origin of time, space, and matter from nothing in the “big bang”
Chemical evolution: all elements “evolved” from hydrogen
Stellar evolution: stars and planets formed from gas clouds
Organic evolution: life begins from inanimate matter
Macro-evolution: animals and plants change from one type into another
Micro-evolution: variations form within the “kind”
Out of all of these, which have YOU 'observed', or anyone for that matter...
I'll wait for your answer...
Nicolaus Copernicus made observations (without a telescope) of the motions of the 5 visible planets and was able to correctly conclude from those observations that the Earth revolved around the Sun. He did not have the benefit of the mountains of observations from all fields of science that support Cosmic evolution, Chemical evolution, Stellar evolution, Organic evolution, Macro-evolution and Micro-evolution, but he was able to apply his ability to reason to the meager observations that he had.

"Being unable to reason is not a positive character trait outside religion." - Dewey Henize

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#643 Jun 22, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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"Observed"? What took 'millions and millions' of years...you are now observing it? LMELAO!!!
Cosmic evolution: the origin of time, space, and matter from nothing in the “big bang”
Chemical evolution: all elements “evolved” from hydrogen
Stellar evolution: stars and planets formed from gas clouds
Organic evolution: life begins from inanimate matter
Macro-evolution: animals and plants change from one type into another
Micro-evolution: variations form within the “kind”
Out of all of these, which have YOU 'observed', or anyone for that matter...
I'll wait for your answer...
Evolution has been observed, idiot.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/faq...

http://atheism.about.com/od/evolutionexplaine...

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#646 Jun 22, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
It's 'still' all 'micro' evolution...Here I will refrain from namecalling...

We still end up with the same bacteria, finches, humans, Platypus, etc...

Nothing changes, ALL within their kind

But if you still want to go on believing you came from rock, feel free...it's your right...

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#647 Jun 22, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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Gee, Nick, you're just going to have to accept the fact that smart people can see things you can't. And the smart people are just going to accept the fact that you can see magic and they can't.
All micro fifteen, all micro

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