Is the Pope the antichrist?

Is the Pope the antichrist?

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He is Coming Soon

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#115 Feb 13, 2013
"But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be" - Matt. 24:37

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#116 Feb 13, 2013
He is Coming Soon:
You do not understand the story of Noah and the Ark at all.
Here is a sampling of the Catholic Legate taking on that subject:

Yes. And, again, St. Peter is drawing from a tradition among the Hellenized (Greek) Jews in order to illustrate a point. This was not the original (Hebrew) interpretation of Genesis 6, however, where there is not the slightest suggestion that these "sons of Heaven" did wrong by mating with the "daughters of men." Rather, the "intercourse" between these angels and human women is a parallel idea for God's Spirit remaining in (and then being withdrawn from) human flesh. That's all the passage is about. If it were otherwise, then the Genesis narrative would have had to continued to deal with the subject, and point out how God was specifically angry because of these angelic-human hybrids, and how the Flood specifically destroyed them, etc.(But that is all part of a, much later, Greek presumption ...which saw this passage as a challenge to monotheism, and thus an occasion of "evil"). Yet, we don't see any of this in the text. Rather, what we have is a poetic illustration of how God's Spirit was slowly withdrawn from antediluvian man (again, see the "decreasing" genealogies in Genesis 5), thus explaining why people cannot live past 120 today. In other words, Genesis 6 was drawing from a very well-established oral tradition (belonging to the pan-Semitic culture), and is using it here to illustrate a truth-that the former intimacy which existed between Heaven and earth before the Flood-i.e., that little which was left of a physical "Divine spark" after the Fall of Adam-was withdrawn and the Flood itself was the benchmark for this. That's all.



The use of this word is interesting because in Greek mythology this was the place where the Titans were imprisoned. The Titans were said to be the primal gods who had sexual relations with human women.



Two more things: 1) Whose admitting that Genesis draws from (or pays "homage" to) popular mythology now? And 2) The Titans never had relations with mortal women. That's not part of the myth. However, what is part of all Near Eastern myth (Greek, Persian, Babylonian, pan-Semite) is that the "strength" of heroes (Hercules, Gilgamesh, etc.) was always attributed to Divine paternity-that is, the hero was always the son of a god or other heavenly being. This is what Genesis 6 is playing off in order to illustrate how such "heavenly strength" (which was common before the Flood) was slowly withdrawn from humanity as we came closer and closer to the Flood after the Fall of Adam (see Genesis 5). However, the BIG difference (and it is a very striking difference if one bothers to notice it) is that the monotheistic author of Genesis does not allow these heavenly "fathers" to be gods, but calls them "ben Elohim" ("sons of God" / "sons of Heaven")- a common term for the angels: Job in order to hammer home the fact that he is speaking of "Heaven" in an open-ended, generic sense-that is "heavenly power" being intimately united with humanity. Again, that's all it refers to.



As for St. Peter's comments, which, once again, play off the popular beliefs of Hellenized Jews (in order to make a point), it was Greek-speaking peoples (Hellenized Jews) who equated these "sons of Heaven" with the Titans-the beings who ruled the earth prior to the pagan GREEK version of the Flood story (the myth of Decurion and his boat/ark). Thus, even in taking a more literal approach in regard to these "sons of Heaven" (an approach which Rome, in her more practical, Latin understanding, later condemned... by making it clear that angelic beings, esp. fallen ones, cannot father children) the early Greek-speaking Christians are still SCREAMING the fact that Genesis 6 is an element of mythology because these Greek-speaking Christians equate these "sons of Heaven" with the mythological Titans.
http://www.catholic-legate.com/Apologetics/Sc...
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#117 Feb 13, 2013
socci wrote:
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They did, they are. They are in Rome..
www.who-is-the-antichrist.org
Well, I have a few problems with this study. It does not address the False Prophet and his miracles. Christians weren't beheaded for refusing the "mark of the beast" during the Inquisitions. They were burned at the stake. The "beast" is not a country or system. He is an actual live human being. Of course, I understand there are often multiple meanings in Scripture. But, many, many events mentioned in Revelations & Daniel are still to come.

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#118 Feb 13, 2013
still to come ... somewhere will arise the False Prophet .. I believe the "end-time" One-World system will be a conglomerate of Politics and Religion .. or, if you will: when all "religion" become one (except actual Christians)...

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“During the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church, the seat will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed his sheep in many tribulations: and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge His people.
The End.”========

the False prophet will run along side and point to and promote the Antichrist

for more info on this .. see Hal Lindsey

2011-11-04 ~ The Prophecy of the Popes / Setting the stage http://www.hallindsey.com/videos/... peace and safety to my brothers and sisters in Christ

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#119 Feb 13, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sure that was the mindset of those who did not listen to Noah, "that preacher of righteousness." They were most likely ridiculing him with comments like "Noah said God is going to flood the earth and kill us. What a hateful man." "Hey Noah, what are you doing wasting time and effort building that stupid ark?" "Noah. Noah, Noah, don't you know we are all God's children, and He isn't angry with us?" The song and dance of the unsaved has not changed.
Let's overlook the problem of how all the animals got to the ark from all parts of the world.(I know, I know, goddidit) Perhaps you would like to explain how Noah got the word of the impending doom out to the rest of the world in order to warn them. I would have thought he would have been far too busy building that massive ark to have any time to spend years wandering the earth telling everyone. It didn't seem that he had built the ark to accomodate many people anyway. I don't see how he could have got the all world's population on board, do you? The whole Noah's ark yarn is so full of holes and it sinks as quickly as his arc would have sunk if it had beem subjected to a storm and rainfall of the magnitude described in the bible. I don't know how anyone with half a brain can believe such a tale. Oh wait, yes I do, you can if you're a fundie!
socci

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#120 Feb 15, 2013
His-truth wrote:
still to come ... somewhere will arise the False Prophet .. I believe the "end-time" One-World system will be a conglomerate of Politics and Religion .. or, if you will: when all "religion" become one (except actual Christians)...
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“During the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church, the seat will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed his sheep in many tribulations: and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge His people.
The End.”========
the False prophet will run along side and point to and promote the Antichrist
for more info on this .. see Hal Lindsey
2011-11-04 ~ The Prophecy of the Popes / Setting the stage http://www.hallindsey.com/videos/... peace and safety to my brothers and sisters in Christ

Several problems with the televangelist version. Primarily, the 70 weeks of Daniel were fulfilled 2000 years ago. 70 weeks of Daniel is about Messiah, not antichrist.


Martin Luther (1483-1546)(Lutheran)
"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist...personally I declare that I owe the Pope no other obedience than that to Antichrist." (The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, Vol.2, pg.121 by Froom) "I despise and attack it, as impious, false... It is Christ Himself who is condemned therein... I rejoice in having to bear such ills for the best of causes. Already I feel greater liberty in my heart; for at last I know that the pope is antichrist, and that his throne is that of Satan himself." (D'Aubigne, b.6, ch.9)


John Calvin (1509-1564)(Presbyterian)
"Some persons think us too severe and censorious when we call the Roman pontiff Antichrist. But those who are of this opinion do not consider that they bring the same charge of presumption against Paul himself, after whom we speak and whose language we adopt... I shall briefly show that (Paul's words in II Thess. 2) are not capable of any other interpretation than that which applies them to the Papacy." (Institutes by John Calvin)

socci

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#121 Feb 15, 2013

Cotton Mather (1663-1728)(Congregational Theologian)
"The oracles of God foretold the rising of an Antichrist in the Christian Church: and in the Pope of Rome, all the characteristics of that Antichrist are so marvelously answered that if any who read the Scriptures do not see it, there is a marvelous blindness upon them."
(The Fall of Babylon by Cotton Mather in Froom's book, The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, Vol.3, pg.113)


John Knox (1505-1572)(Scotch Presbyterian)
Knox wrote to abolish "that tyranny which the pope himself has for so many ages exercised over the church" and that the pope should be recognized as "the very antichrist, and son of perdition, of whom Paul speaks." (The Zurich Letters, pg.199 by John Knox)

socci

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#122 Feb 15, 2013

Thomas Cranmer (1489-1556)(Anglican)
"Whereof it followeth Rome to be the seat of antichrist, and the pope to be very antichrist himself. I could prove the same by many other scriptures, old writers, and strong reasons." (Works by Cranmer, Vol.1, pp.6-7)


John Wesley (1703-1791)(Methodist)
Speaking of the Papacy he said, "He is in an emphatical sense, the Man of Sin, as he increases all manner of sin above measure. And he is, too, properly styled the Son of Perdition, as he has caused the death of numberless multitudes, both of his opposers and followers... He it is...that exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped...claiming the highest power, and highest honour...claiming the prerogatives which belong to God alone." (Antichrist and His Ten Kingdoms by John Wesley, pg.110)

socci

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#123 Feb 15, 2013

Roger Williams (1603-1683)(First Baptist Pastor in America)
He spoke of the Pope as "the pretended Vicar of Christ on earth, who sits as God over the Temple of God, exalting himself not only above all that is called God, but over the souls and consciences of all his vassals, yea over the Spirit of Christ, over the Holy Spirit, yea, and God himself...speaking against the God of heaven, thinking to change times and laws; but he is the son of perdition (II Thess. 2)." (Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers by Froom, Vol.3, pg.52)


King James, Meditation on Revelation

“The Pope is Antichrist, and Popery the loosing of Satan, from whom proceedeth false doctrine and cruelty to subvert the kingdom of Christ: Now whether the Pope beareth these marks or not, let any indifferent man judge; I think surely it expounds itself: Doeth he not usurp Christ his office, calling himself universal Bishop and head of the Church? Playeth he not the part of Apollyon, and Abbadon the king of the Locusts and destroyer, or son of perdition, in chopping and changing of souls betwixt heaven, hell, and his fantastic or imagined purgatory at his pleasure? Blasphemeth he not, in denying us to be saved by the imputation of Christ his righteousness? Moreover, hath he not sent forth and abused the world with innumerable orders of locust and shavelings? Hath he not so fully ruled over the world these many hundredth years, as to the fire went he, whosoever he was, that durst deny any part of his usurped supremacy?”....“But I am sure none will condemn me for an heretic, save such as make the Pope their God...”(King James I, A Meditation on Revelation; Premonition)


Not selling any denomination but this pastor is right about the identification of the beast or antichrist..

AntiChrist Delusions
with pastor Steve Wohlberg
www.youtube.com/watch...


or a bit different take on it..

www.youtube.com/playlist...


and here..

http://archive.org/details/RevelationIllustra...

socci

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#124 Feb 15, 2013

and now, personal study...

The Bible doesn't say the "little horn" is a man, but rather that it would have "eyes like the eyes of a man" (Daniel 7:8). When Paul used the expression, "the man of sin," in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, he was simply referring to the "little horn" with its "eyes like the eyes of a man." Yet that same horn is called a "beast" in Revelation 13:1, and the Bible clearly tells us that a beast represents a great kingdom (Daniel 7:23).


The fourth beast - Roman Empire - had ten horns (Dn 7). Three of the horns were plucked up when the little horn came up. This was the fall of the Roman Empire and rise of Papal Rome.


The "horns" we are told are "kings". Kings rule over nations. When papal Rome came up after the fall of pagan Rome (476) there were ten nations of Europe. Three were defeated and extinct to this day. They were:

1. Anglo-Saxons-English
2. Franks-French
3. Allemans-Germany
4. Burgundians-Swiss
5. Visigoths-Spain
6. Suevi-Portugal
7. Lombards-Italy
8. Vandals-extinct
9. Heruli-extinct
10. Ostrogoths-extinct


"Catholic emperors of the eastern empire found ways to help the pope by eliminating three of the Arian tribes. The Catholic emperor Zeno (474 to 491) arranged a treaty with the Ostrogoths in 487 which resulted in the eradication of the kingdom of the Arian Heurls in 493. And the Catholic emperor Justinian (527 to 565) exterminated the Arian Vandals in 534 and significantly broke the power of the Arian Ostrogoths in 538. Thus were Daniels three horns the Heuels, the Vandals, and the Ostrogoths plucked up by the roots." (C. Mervyn Maxwell, God Cares, vol. 1, Daniel, p. 129, Pacific Press Publishing Association, 1981.)
www.historicism.com/misc/tenhorns.htm


Then we are told this new religious "horn" would become the "beast" empire and rule for "time times and half" or 42 month or 1260 days.

This period of time is first found in Daniel 7 repeated numerous times with added details, in describing the rule of this beast power.

Dn7:25 "...time, times and a half", 1260.
Dn12:7 "...time, times and a half", 1260.
Rv11:2 "...42 months", 1260.
Rv11:3 "...1260 days".
Rv12:6 "...1260 days".
Rv12:14 "...time, times and a half", 1260.
Rv13:5 "...42 months", 1260.


The Christian world finds Daniel 9's "70 weeks" or 490 days to be 490 years.(using ***day-year principle***)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-year_princip...

We cannot pick and choose when to apply this principle. Prophetic time is always day = year.


The 1260 years have been identified when Rome's Empire fell in 476 AD and 'holy' Rome arose ruling from 538 to 1798 when Napoleon ended the ***Papal States*** with a deadly "wound".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_states

(538 to 1798)
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3082/2880335909...


Only one empire has ever done this.

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#125 Feb 16, 2013
Islam is the anti-Christ.

NDanger

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#127 Feb 17, 2013
Xcaliber wrote:
Islam is the anti-Christ.
The anti-Christ will be a person...

My thinking used to be that the RCC was the false religion, but the way Islam is taking the world by storm...
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#128 Feb 17, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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The anti-Christ will be a person...
My thinking used to be that the RCC was the false religion, but the way Islam is taking the world by storm...
And perhaps Islam will team up with the RCC? They favor beheading an infidel as stated will happen to those who reject the "mark of the beast."
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#129 Feb 17, 2013

NDanger

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#130 Feb 17, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
<quoted text>And perhaps Islam will team up with the RCC? They favor beheading an infidel as stated will happen to those who reject the "mark of the beast."
Aaaah, the Guillotines...

Those will be interesting times...interesting indeed...

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#131 Feb 17, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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The anti-Christ will be a person...
My thinking used to be that the RCC was the false religion, but the way Islam is taking the world by storm...
I was serious when I said Islam is the anti-Christ; however, Islam and its Mahdi are more to the point. Islam is the harlot riding the beast in Revelation 17:1-6. By the time the 4th seal is opened, one quarter of the worlds population will be wiped out. Islam will be prominent as the anti-Christ and its follower will kill those who do not believe in Islam. In Revelation 9:5, Jesus is explaining to John how bad it's going to get. God, through Christ, is going to bring judgment upon Islam, which is a blasphemer.
qezwex

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#132 Feb 18, 2013
http://youtube.com/watch... ……… Get a Grip on Reality
hes a old man delusional in his mind now
buck

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#133 Feb 21, 2013
he is just a forerunner, many will rise in the last days, maybe the pope is the start lol.
he is here to deceive many like the false prophets that too shall rise in the last days. Read 1 John 2:18 and Matthew 24:11.
socci

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#134 Feb 21, 2013
buck wrote:
he is just a forerunner, many will rise in the last days, maybe the pope is the start lol.
he is here to deceive many like the false prophets that too shall rise in the last days. Read 1 John 2:18 and Matthew 24:11.

Reading the book of Revelation to study the harlot (Rev 17) that is later called the false prophet. Both symbolizing the Roman Church.

There are many antichrists, true, but the beast again is the papal empire then describes as having seven heads or many incarnation, i.e. holy roman empire.

Today we seem to be on the final 8th 'head'(Rev 17:11)
buck

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#135 Feb 21, 2013
this is why I didn't vote yes or no
I believe the pope to be one of the many antichrists in the last days.

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