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#1874
Jul 28, 2013
 
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Verbose pap - you must be rattled.
Still no proof of your steady state universe, I see.
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I'm sorry that I couldn't help you on the subject matter that we were discussing, Thinking. I sure did try to help you though.

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So you don't believe that your God is powerful enough to create a universe that is expanding into nothing?
What up, HG? I believe that it is possible that the universe can be the the size of a teardrop in comparison to what is really outside of it. Our universe may just be a single drop in the bucket compared to what is out side of it in other words.
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<quoted text> Duly noted: Quin's God is neither omniscient nor omnipotent, yet Quin is a Christian who believes in the omnipotent and omniscient Christian God.
Your words not mine... projection, sorry.
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<quoted text>Cognitive dissonance rears its ugly head once again!
Actually, I'm pretty confident on the matter. I mean think about this for a moment...Those redshifts tell us that they are speeding away at astronomical speeds. I agree with that but that's all they know at this point. The thing is, they don't know exactly the direction it is speeding away in. It could be following a pattern.

God gives us a clue simply by looking out into the cosmos... we look out into space and mostly, every planetary system and/or luminaries are spinning and they have their own orbit. Even the gaseous only planets are spinning and moving in orbit. You already know that the sun is spinning and I'm sure you know that our sun itself (with it's entire solar system is on it's own orbit circling around this galaxy.

Now, there are billions upon billions of solar systems within our own, single galaxy and then on top of that there are billions upon billions of galaxies each with their own billions of solar systems. And almost everything is determinent and spinning... Some things are indeterminent. If we can figure out that same pattern local to our own solar system and the same pattern as far as the voyagers and telescope will let us... then please tell me why the universe itself can't be spinning and moving in it's own orbit?

The Redshifts doesn't necessarily mean that our own universe is expanding straight outwards into nothingness... it just means that, that is all scientists know at this point... that it is moving away from us more rapidly than they had previous thought.

I believe in universes... and something greater than universes is out there. I can't see it, but it's not hard to figure out that there is the same spinning/rotating pattern that exists out there as well as our region of space.

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I'm still waiting for you to provide absolute, concrete proof that a child cannot give birth to their own parents.
I mean, if as you claim all things are possible in a quantum physics sort of way, then it is possible that a child can give birth to their own parents.
That's not what I meant by our earlier conversation... but technically at the macro level,(not ethically)... a daughter could give birth to her parents' clones.

Biblically, Jesus existed before the world existed... the world was made through Him (John 17:5)... and yet He was born of a woman.

Metaphorically, Jesus said this: Mark 3:35

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<quoted text>Just as it would be possible for a person to start eating their own feet and end up consuming their entire body, including their own head, leaving nothing behind.
That's gross but at the quantum level it might be just possible. Kind of reminds me a little of how Einstein theorized that the universe was folded onto itself...
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<quoted text>You seem like a genuinely nice person,
Right now I'm a genuinely, tired nice person... eyes out about to shut down. I want to stay awake but body says, "You can stay up, but I'm going to sleep"...
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<quoted text>but anyone who believes that a square could have five sides either has no regard for definitions or is somewhat brain-addled.
I believe that though they may be able to figure out quantum computations... the results would say that it would work but it wouldn't make sense. Ever heard of quantum computing and entanglement... I looked that up some time ago and that's pretty wild. Nevertheless, went out to look for anything about a 5-sided square... saw this in the link but too tired to look further into it. what do you think?

http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index...

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My point stands: the Christian God, defined as knowing the precise future that will befall every man, woman, and child - and also defined as granting every man, woman, and child free will - cannot exist, by definition.
If you told your child... if you study hard and ask good questions... do all the right things... then it's not hard to figure out at our level that your child is going to be successful at school and can also figure out some of the obvious things that could be lined up for him or her. And then you also warn your child (on the flip side) that if they don't follow your good advice for school then you might be able to tell them some of the things that could befall them. You, as a father (or mother, sorry) would know what is up ahead and down the linefor your kid(s) if they follow either path... sucess, awards, rewards, networking with others or failure, depression, worry, yadda, yadda.

But you can't control their choice... you don't know exactly what, when or how they are going to choose. Obviously, God is more superior to us... where we may look at an orange seed... God can look at that seed and probaly see a grove of oranges. But we humans are more complicated then plant seeds and in fact, the most complex creatures on earth, I think... It's like... it's like.. hmmm... trying to always to figure women out (by that I mean my wife.. married 21 years)... it's a very tedious event sometimes.

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<quoted text>If you have to redefine the Christian God in order to claim its existence, then it is no longer the Christian God you are referring to.
God doesn't change at all... but it is my understanding of God that changes as I learn more about Him. In the same sense, the same thing with our understanding of the universe since man began keeping some sort of record aboout it. The universe didn't change... but our perception and understanding did.
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<quoted text>And since you would then have reverence for a god other than the Christian God, you are not a Christian.
Yep... I'm a Christian. There was a time that I wanted to get away from the title because there were so many different facets in traditional Christianity and other subsets of it. But what made me change my mind on that matter is the fact that "Christian" is mentioned in the bible a couple to few times.
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<quoted text>Then again, in your quantum physics Bizarro world, a Christian could also be an atheist Hindu, a one-man symphony orchestra, and a headless quadriplegic who is a licensed masseuse and an expert juggler...
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LOl... nah...but quantum physics is a bizzarre and also quite interesting.

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#1882
Jul 28, 2013
 
Sending out Matthew 10:16 Parts 2-5 I think. Sorry for hogging up the pages.

Gone 4 ree-yeel this time after the next few posts.

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#1883
Jul 28, 2013
 
Matthew 10:16

Part 2

"...Therefore be as SHREWD as snakes AND as innocent as doves."

A. The serpent is initially blamed and branded as being an evil symbol of satan as it was the first creature on this earth ever to be possessed by the fallen angel (Genesis 3:1).

1. But biblically and metaphorically it is not always the symbol of satan. The following verses reflect a good light of the creature (Exodus 4:1-4 and Exodus 7:12)....(Numbers 21:9)...(John 3:14-15)

2. And sometimes it is biblically the case where the serpent is the symbol of satan - but one must metaphorically discern whether it is meant in a good sense or a bad sense. The following verses obviously reflect a bad light.(Genesis 3:13)...(2 Corinthians11:3)...(Revelation 12:9)

B. The point that the Lord Jesus is making in the latter part of the verse 16 comment is that the serpent is regarded for it's craftiness.... there is nothing wrong with being shrewd and doing God's work but there is something definitely wrong with being shrewd and doing evil to others.

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Part 3

1. Here are some biblical examples of being shrewd AND doing God's work ---> that is, being shrewd and innocent as a dove:(Genesis 3:15)...(Genesis 45:3)...(Exodus 11:1)...(Matthew 2:13)...

a. Jesus being opposed by the Jewish Leaders: "They discussed it among themselves and said,“If we say,‘From heaven,’ he will ask,‘Then why didn’t you believe him?’ But if we say,‘Of human origin’...”(They feared the people, for everyone held that John really was a prophet.)--- Mark 11:27-33

b. Paul being opposed by the Jewish Leaders: "Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees, called out in the Sanhedrin,“My brothers, I am a Pharisee, descended from Pharisees. I stand on trial because of the hope of the resurrection of the dead.” When he said this, a dispute broke out between the Pharisees and the Sadducees, and the assembly was divided." (Acts 23:1-10)



2. Here are some biblical examples of being shrewd and evil to others:

a. " ...'The serpent deceived me, and I ate.'”(Genesis 3:13)


b. King Herod: "...'Go and search carefully for the child. As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him.'”(Matthew 2:3-17)

c. Judas: "...He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the .money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it." John 12:3-6

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Jul 28, 2013
 
Part 4

1. On the innocent side ---> The American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ)... easily fits the description of being shrewd and innocent as a dove.

2. On the "not-so-innocent" side ---> A husband who says he is just going to his friend's house but is actually going to meet someone else at a hotel, neglecting his wife, then coming back home with gum in his mouth and flowers for his wife with the intentions of meeting the other woman, again is example of being shrewd and evil.

3. The bottom line to the latter part of Matt 10 verse 16 is this: Being as shrewd as a serpent COUPLED WITH genuinely doing good and godly things IS THE SAME AS being shrewd as a serpent and being innocent as a dove. Jesus tell us we have to be this way because sometimes the world can be a cold place... in verse 17 Jesus goes further and prophesies what will/could happen to His followers...

verse 17, Lordwilling 2morrow...

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<quoted text>Do you have evidence of what you claim? And Im talking 100% solid evidence too.
Didn't think so!
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Jul 28, 2013
 
Why do you keep posting articles regarding expanding universes, contracting universes but not steady state universe?
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<quoted text>Your post was to Thinking but thought you may find the following article interesting:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/44690771/ns/technol...

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#1888
Jul 29, 2013
 
Still waiting on evidence and proof that God doesn't exist from those who claim it is factually so.

In the meantime, you may want to consider the fact that if you cannot concretely prove that God is non-existent using the scientific method of discovery (which is beloved by Evolutionists) then what you really could have is simply "a belief" that God does not exist...

Being that could be very well be the case, then those of us who believe in God and Athiests who don't believe in God would have something in common in the sense that Believers already "believe" and have faith that God exists.

Could Atheists possibly dare consider but for a moment to venture away from the non-believing posse a simple, short distance to further examine this. Perhaps they are afraid of temporarily leaving the herd and stepping into a new realm of further understanding? And that is, that Atheists could have had a belief system all along but didn't realize that they had used "faith" in their thinking habits to take the "God does not exist" cliché as factual and with unrestricted acceptance.

But fact without any proofs is not fact... it's simply an observation... or yet, better said... "a belief"

Perhaps Atheists are Believers.
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#1889
Jul 29, 2013
 
Your god is better at hide and seek than Bin Laden ever was.
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Still waiting on evidence and proof that God doesn't exist from those who claim it is factually so.
In the meantime, you may want to consider the fact that if you cannot concretely prove that God is non-existent using the scientific method of discovery (which is beloved by Evolutionists) then what you really could have is simply "a belief" that God does not exist...
Being that could be very well be the case, then those of us who believe in God and Athiests who don't believe in God would have something in common in the sense that Believers already "believe" and have faith that God exists.
Could Atheists possibly dare consider but for a moment to venture away from the non-believing posse a simple, short distance to further examine this. Perhaps they are afraid of temporarily leaving the herd and stepping into a new realm of further understanding? And that is, that Atheists could have had a belief system all along but didn't realize that they had used "faith" in their thinking habits to take the "God does not exist" cliché as factual and with unrestricted acceptance.
But fact without any proofs is not fact... it's simply an observation... or yet, better said... "a belief"
Perhaps Atheists are Believers.

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#1890
Jul 30, 2013
 
Matthew 10:17

"Be on your guard; you will be handed over to the local councils and be flogged in the synagogues."

The Lord goes into a tangent of further prophecy starting with verse 17. The preceding verse, verse 16, was an initial start. Verse 16 seems to be a bridge from a simple, local and current intructions only in the verses before it "right into" future instructions and warnings of inflictions in the verses after 16....

Btw, Judas was initially sent with them to preach the message also and heal others, he did so and could have been a part of the verse 17 prophecy but Judas would eventually choose to go down another path that landed him as a victim of another prophecy because of his own greed and devilish choice to betray Jesus, an innocent man.

Here are some verses in which the prophecy in verse 17 is fulfilled:

A. Acts 5:40 - "They called the apostles in and had them flogged. Then they ordered them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go."

B. Acts 26:11 - "Many a time I went from one synagogue to another to have them punished, and I tried to force them to blaspheme. I was so obsessed with persecuting them that I even hunted them down in foreign cities."

C. 2 Corinthians 11:24 - "Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one"

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Your god is better at hide and seek than Bin Laden ever was.
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Isaiah 59:2 (NKJV)
2 But your iniquities have separated you from your God; And your sins have hidden His face from you, So that He will not hear.
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#1892
Jul 30, 2013
 
So you believe your god is not omniscient.

What a limited god.
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Isaiah 59:2 (NKJV)
2 But your iniquities have separated you from your God; And your sins have hidden His face from you, So that He will not hear.

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So you believe your god is not omniscient.
What a limited god.
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He is indeed 'omniscient'. He just chooses to ignore the prayers of most.

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Your god is better at hide and seek than Bin Laden ever was.
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Good Morning and always nice to post with someone that is "thinking"!!

Bingo!! The key word here being "SEEK".

The word "seek" occurs 244 times in 233 verses of the KJV. There must be a reason for that, eh?

Heb. 11:

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Matt. 6:

32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

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