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MLK

Charlotte, NC

#2 Jan 30, 2013
The bible wasn't inspired or written by a god anymore that any other holy book. If it was the word of god it wouldn't be full of lies, contradictions, Paul's BS, desires of man and just plain nonsense!

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#4 Jan 31, 2013
If you speak about the Bible as 'the book of lies', slam people by calling them 'fundies', bible thumpers, etc while referring to Paul as an imposter...Why would you even remotely expect a response to your thread? At least from a Christian...

Besides, you whining about no responses when the elapsed time from the last idiotic response was during the night is absurd at best...

You watching this thread is like chewing toothpicks and watching the moon go by...

Here's a good one, go and actually 'study' the Bible, learn its Truth...it really is amazing...honest...
Thinking

Ashford, UK

#5 Jan 31, 2013
"I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation."

Deuteronomy 5:9
NDanger wrote:
Here's a good one, go and actually 'study' the Bible, learn its Truth...it really is amazing...honest...
MLK

Charlotte, NC

#7 Jan 31, 2013
backstrokes wrote:
<quoted text>
And there we have it, folks...
NDanger, by rote, applies typical fundie tactics of dancin' round this thread's issues (i.e., why Paul destroyed God's Eternal Wall Covenants?).
NDanger can do naught but attack the truth-filled messenger, backstrokes.
NDanger obviously has no logical answer other than the obviously logical answer that Paul simply did what any religious con-man would do to gain converts. i.e., he twisted the scriptures around and magically turned his Scapegoat, Jesus-On-A-Stick, into Pig/Lamb that destroyed Abraham's and Moses' covenants by applying tricky religious chicanery that would be most appealingly lapped up by his pagan goyim audiences. It worked!
Paul knew well that the Gentile world hated the Hebrew Covenants, especially the one that demanded they have their dicks fileted. With that magic stroke, Con-man Paul established Paulianity Christianity throughout the Roman Empire. VIOLA!! Paul became their Pope and the money filled his coiffers. He then dangled his rich carrot to tempt James and Peter of Pentacostal and Jewish-following fame. At first, they resisted and stuck stubbornly with Jesus' original teachings. BUT THEN,...
Well, the jealous and envious James/Petri Jewish-following Christians, who were quickly be obliterated (hunted like animals by the Sanhedrin), and were starving for money and losing sheep (they had about 120 left), conveniently saw the light.(Peter claimed he envisioned a god-given meal filled with goyim delicacies of snails, shrimp, maggots, pork chops, pigs feet and knuckles and backfat bacon, etc. God ordered Pete (who said, "No Lord. I can't eat that sh1t!"), "It's OK, Pete. I made it holy and delicious. F^ck Moses and his stupid dietary restrictions. It's a new ball game, so stuff yo face and quit following my previous eternal convenants. I'm god and can do whatever the sh1t I feel is convenient!"
With that Christian-trick, the Abe-and-Moses following Christianity died and Pauline Christianity was established. The herd of pigs that Jesus kicked over the cliff flew back up and have been slowly roasting on the Christian spits ever since. Fishman Zebedee opportunitively switched to shrimp nets and made a fortune feeding Peter and James sea bugs!
Poor Jesus and his humble little flock of losers. Jesus never had even a ghost of a chance against that wily coyote, Saul/Paul of Taus-us Over!
Stay Tuned, Kids!
Wow! I somehow feel drawn to this site to catch little bits of truth and reality about Christianity from people like you. I find it fascinating how much people look past on this site to keep the eternal life fairy tale going. Most Christians I know have never read the bible and don't know much about Christianity outside of the church message. If they were exposed to some of the information available they would no longer be Christians but you have people on here that ignore huge amounts of evidence that proves the bible is not the word of a god! Fascinating indeed!

“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#8 Jan 31, 2013
backstrokes wrote:
<quoted text>
And there we have it, folks...
NDanger, by rote, applies typical fundie tactics of dancin' round this thread's issues (i.e., why Paul destroyed God's Eternal Wall Covenants?).
NDanger can do naught but attack the truth-filled messenger, backstrokes.
NDanger obviously has no logical answer other than the obviously logical answer that Paul simply did what any religious con-man would do to gain converts. i.e., he twisted the scriptures around and magically turned his Scapegoat, Jesus-On-A-Stick, into Pig/Lamb that destroyed Abraham's and Moses' covenants by applying tricky religious chicanery that would be most appealingly lapped up by his pagan goyim audiences. It worked!
Paul knew well that the Gentile world hated the Hebrew Covenants, especially the one that demanded they have their dicks fileted. With that magic stroke, Con-man Paul established Paulianity Christianity throughout the Roman Empire. VIOLA!! Paul became their Pope and the money filled his coiffers. He then dangled his rich carrot to tempt James and Peter of Pentacostal and Jewish-following fame. At first, they resisted and stuck stubbornly with Jesus' original teachings. BUT THEN,...
Well, the jealous and envious James/Petri Jewish-following Christians, who were quickly be obliterated (hunted like animals by the Sanhedrin), and were starving for money and losing sheep (they had about 120 left), conveniently saw the light.(Peter claimed he envisioned a god-given meal filled with goyim delicacies of snails, shrimp, maggots, pork chops, pigs feet and knuckles and backfat bacon, etc. God ordered Pete (who said, "No Lord. I can't eat that sh1t!"), "It's OK, Pete. I made it holy and delicious. F^ck Moses and his stupid dietary restrictions. It's a new ball game, so stuff yo face and quit following my previous eternal convenants. I'm god and can do whatever the sh1t I feel is convenient!"
With that Christian-trick, the Abe-and-Moses following Christianity died and Pauline Christianity was established. The herd of pigs that Jesus kicked over the cliff flew back up and have been slowly roasting on the Christian spits ever since. Fishman Zebedee opportunitively switched to shrimp nets and made a fortune feeding Peter and James sea bugs!
Poor Jesus and his humble little flock of losers. Jesus never had even a ghost of a chance against that wily coyote, Saul/Paul of Taus-us Over!
Stay Tuned, Kids!
Oh so predictable! and ndanger is a perfect example of the idiocy!
OKAY

Houston, TX

#9 Jan 31, 2013
Thinking wrote:
"I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation."
Deuteronomy 5:9
<quoted text>
Read 'em and weep
OKAY

Houston, TX

#10 Jan 31, 2013
backstrokes wrote:
Paul's Wall: God's Eternal Covenant of Circumcision
Imposter Paul took it upon himself to abolish God's "Everlasting Covenant" with Father Abraham (made to last forever!), and the "Laws of Moses", also promised by its giver (god) to last forever.
"So he (Jesus) is our peace. In his body he has made Jewish and non-Jewish people one by breaking down the wall of hostility (i.e., Circumcision and the Laws of Moses) that kept them apart." - Ephesians 2:11-15 GWT
"In this new life, it doesn't matter if you are a Jew or a Gentile, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbaric, uncivilized, slave, or free. Christ is all that matters, and he lives in all of us." - Colossians 3:11 NLT
Romans 10:12 "For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile..."
1 Corinthians 7:19 "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing."
Galatians 5:6 "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value."
----------
So then, by what authority or right did Paul condemn and obliterate "the everlasting covenants"??
The obvious answer that I see, with our great hindsight advantage, was that Paul did it purely for the sake of convenient expedience to gain Gentile acceptance of his new creed, which bore the stench of Hasidic/Orthodox Judaism, as it was practiced by the James/Peter Christians, and which would be outrightly rejected by the pagan goyim.
Jesus never thought to abolish Abrahamic/Mosaic Circumcision or the Law of Moses. So how could the Pseudo and Usurping Apostle Paul find authority for his audacious violation of the Jewish God, Yahweh's eternal commandments and covenants?(Abraham's grave-rolling!)
God speaking plainly said this:
Genesis 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee (Abraham) and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. 8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. 10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. 12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. 13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.(KJV)
It seems very clear that Paul spit on God's Words to Patriarchs Abraham and Moses. Something that Jesus, nor any of the true apostles dares to do. In fact, the bible tells us that the original Jerusalem Jewish-based Christians adamantly opposed Paulianity! Only out of sheer desperation from material needs and persecution did James/Peter finally cave in!
Your thoughts, please......
They were too stupid, like you, to 'get it'. Paul was a lot more 'inspired' than you will ever admit to. Remember, Paul killed Christians for a living.

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#11 Jan 31, 2013
backstrokes wrote:
<quoted text>
And there we have it, folks...
NDanger, by rote, applies typical fundie tactics of dancin' round this thread's issues (i.e., why Paul destroyed God's Eternal Wall Covenants?).
NDanger can do naught but attack the truth-filled messenger, backstrokes.
NDanger obviously has no logical answer other than the obviously logical answer that Paul simply did what any religious con-man would do to gain converts. i.e., he twisted the scriptures around and magically turned his Scapegoat, Jesus-On-A-Stick, into Pig/Lamb that destroyed Abraham's and Moses' covenants by applying tricky religious chicanery that would be most appealingly lapped up by his pagan goyim audiences. It worked!
Paul knew well that the Gentile world hated the Hebrew Covenants, especially the one that demanded they have their dicks fileted. With that magic stroke, Con-man Paul established Paulianity Christianity throughout the Roman Empire. VIOLA!! Paul became their Pope and the money filled his coiffers. He then dangled his rich carrot to tempt James and Peter of Pentacostal and Jewish-following fame. At first, they resisted and stuck stubbornly with Jesus' original teachings. BUT THEN,...
Well, the jealous and envious James/Petri Jewish-following Christians, who were quickly be obliterated (hunted like animals by the Sanhedrin), and were starving for money and losing sheep (they had about 120 left), conveniently saw the light.(Peter claimed he envisioned a god-given meal filled with goyim delicacies of snails, shrimp, maggots, pork chops, pigs feet and knuckles and backfat bacon, etc. God ordered Pete (who said, "No Lord. I can't eat that sh1t!"), "It's OK, Pete. I made it holy and delicious. F^ck Moses and his stupid dietary restrictions. It's a new ball game, so stuff yo face and quit following my previous eternal convenants. I'm god and can do whatever the sh1t I feel is convenient!"
With that Christian-trick, the Abe-and-Moses following Christianity died and Pauline Christianity was established. The herd of pigs that Jesus kicked over the cliff flew back up and have been slowly roasting on the Christian spits ever since. Fishman Zebedee opportunitively switched to shrimp nets and made a fortune feeding Peter and James sea bugs!
Poor Jesus and his humble little flock of losers. Jesus never had even a ghost of a chance against that wily coyote, Saul/Paul of Taus-us Over!
Stay Tuned, Kids!
No fundie 'tactics'... oh and BTW, Jesus was the one who converted Paul...
Darius

Long Beach, CA

#12 Jan 31, 2013
backstrokes wrote:
Paul's Wall: God's Eternal Covenant of Circumcision
Imposter Paul took it upon himself to abolish God's "Everlasting Covenant" with Father Abraham (made to last forever!), and the "Laws of Moses", also promised by its giver (god) to last forever.
"So he (Jesus) is our peace. In his body he has made Jewish and non-Jewish people one by breaking down the wall of hostility (i.e., Circumcision and the Laws of Moses) that kept them apart." - Ephesians 2:11-15 GWT
"In this new life, it doesn't matter if you are a Jew or a Gentile, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbaric, uncivilized, slave, or free. Christ is all that matters, and he lives in all of us." - Colossians 3:11 NLT
Romans 10:12 "For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile..."
1 Corinthians 7:19 "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing."
Galatians 5:6 "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value."
----------
So then, by what authority or right did Paul condemn and obliterate "the everlasting covenants"??
The obvious answer that I see, with our great hindsight advantage, was that Paul did it purely for the sake of convenient expedience to gain Gentile acceptance of his new creed, which bore the stench of Hasidic/Orthodox Judaism, as it was practiced by the James/Peter Christians, and which would be outrightly rejected by the pagan goyim.
Jesus never thought to abolish Abrahamic/Mosaic Circumcision or the Law of Moses. So how could the Pseudo and Usurping Apostle Paul find authority for his audacious violation of the Jewish God, Yahweh's eternal commandments and covenants?(Abraham's grave-rolling!)
God speaking plainly said this:
Genesis 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee (Abraham) and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. 8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. 10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. 12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. 13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.(KJV)
It seems very clear that Paul spit on God's Words to Patriarchs Abraham and Moses. Something that Jesus, nor any of the true apostles dares to do. In fact, the bible tells us that the original Jerusalem Jewish-based Christians adamantly opposed Paulianity! Only out of sheer desperation from material needs and persecution did James/Peter finally cave in!
Your thoughts, please......
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." Hebrews 7:12. KJV

God made a new covenant for His people, read Hebrews chapter eight. NLT

Almost nothing in the Bible is forever or everlasting!

A better covenant was made
Cisco Kid

Columbia, CA

#13 Jan 31, 2013
backstrokes wrote:
Paul's Wall: God's Eternal Covenant of Circumcision
..........
Your thoughts, please......
Circumcision's no big deal.
We all gotta get some skin into the game.

ps: As the proud new parent said to the Rabbi;"You can keep the tip".

Badda-Boom, Badda-Bing and shake that thing.
OKAY

Houston, TX

#18 Feb 2, 2013
backstrokes wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course he did, OKAY!
What you overlook so conveniently and blindly is that Paul was an ambitious opportunist. He awoke up and asked, "WHY KILL A GOOSE THAT CAN LAY GOLDEN EGGS??"
Gullible lackeys like the Apostle Steven, James and Peter etal, are precious gem-slaves that would follow their dead and gone leader to the grave. Such devotion is rare to come by. Paul reasoned, "Why kill them for the greedy and failing Sanhedrim and its Judaism, when I can ploy their gullibility to my own religion. I'll' become their new leader. ME!! I'll become famous and rich beyond measure and worshipped as the POPE-GUY PAUL!"
In other word's Paul was a genius and was like a young Hitler at work and a-scheming!
OKAY!... See my next postal installment, please!
"WHY KILL A GOOSE THAT CAN LAY GOLDEN EGGS??"

Say what? What benefit would it be to Paul? Imprisonment? Paul faced unbearable physical tortures by way of beatings with stripes and rods. He received 39 stripes from the Jews and that too, five times. He suffered hunger, thirst, nakedness, weariness and painfulness followed by beheading under Nero?

Ya, some 'golden egg'
OKAY

Houston, TX

#19 Feb 2, 2013
His writings indicate nothing but humility, nothing ever pointing back to him but onlt to the Crucified...

Your story is bullsh*t at best

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#20 Feb 2, 2013
backstrokes wrote:
!! LIVE FROM GOLGATHA !!(Vidal)
'A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Golgotha!'
To those who are truly seeking the truth about the "Manufactured and Re-Manufactured from the death and ashes of the failed original cult of Jesus, the 'Pseudo-Jewish Messiah',... here it is, THE TRUTH:
It is A.D. 96; St. Timothy is the Bishop of Macedonia and other Roman jurisdictions. He is in his study in Thessalonica. Timothy is under terrific pressure to record his version of the "Sacred Story." Timothy's Gospel is intended to be the only one of dozens of such books that would be immunized and protected from then-current hacking and re-juggling of the Christian Myth like some devastating and deadly pervading Catholic-like virus.
So Old Tim wrote the "Gospel of St. Timothy", wherein Tim confessedly revelates truth.
Synopsis:(Saul/Paul was Timothy's Mentor and Religious Boss for some 20-odd years)
Paul reportedly authored some 13 biblical missiles, and reportedly co-authored the off- kiltered Gospel, that Lulu -"Luke", and the self-aggrandizing "Book of Acts"; ... all of which contains Paul's magic conversion to religious boon; also, his writings re-mapped the Cruci-Fiction Story invented by Paul, the Usurping Apostle #13.
It's all a part of his ingenious plottings to "Double-Cross" Jesus and the floundering, dying Neo-Jewish-styled religion that Jesus (decades previous) failed at miserably.
What keeps one catching one's breath, and again and again, is the unfailing brio with which, by whisking through the OT Biblical Blender, Saul/Paul pricks and parodies various sacrosanct Jewish socio-cultural jargons, pieties, foreskin strippin', Mosaic Law-defying, to distorting and aborting sacred legendary patriarchal-speak, while at the same time ruthlessly exposing the fragility of the then all-but-ossified Christo-Iconography.
Paul was the original chicanery-like "Elmer Gantry" who recognized a grand opportunity of world-shaking proportions by re-tooling the battered-down, dying remnant of the Jesus Cult. He saw that he could turn Jesus' dumb Jerusalem donkey-ride into a raging railroad!
The formula's ingredients were really simple things in Paul's scheming capitalist mind:
1 > All mankind are sinfully-endowed;
2 > Paul's Orthodox Jewish religion practiced sin-atoning animal sacs;
3 > Greece, Rome all the civilized world's pagan religions were sin-atonement based;
4 > Christians had developed the post-Jesus idea that he died as their vicarious redeemer;
5 > They (the James/Peter cult) believed that Jesus' Davidic Kingdom was only for Jews;
6 > Paul saw Gentiles ready to accept a cross-hanged Jesus as Messiah (better,'Christ').
(A 'Jesus-On-A-Stick' atonement icon would be much more user-friendly for the world than those messy old, and very expensive animal sacrifices, for both Jews and Gentiles!)
7 > Paul saw the OT Laws and Rites as a 'WALL' that he must destroy to be successful;
8 > Paul creatively twisted and manipulated scriptures to magically universalize Christ;
9 > Jehovah-be-damned, Paul claimed that Jesus was Crucified to destroy the OT routine;
10 > The Abrahamic and Mosaic 'Eternal Covenants' were dead and Paulianity was born:
11 > VIOLA!! Romanized Christendom was born, and Paul etal began clippin' coupons!
12 > Opportunists James and Peter etal quickly saw the new light and dove in head-first!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_from_Golgot...
Doesn't Romans 14 show that Paul did not destroy the wall?

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#21 Feb 2, 2013
backstrokes wrote:
!! LIVE FROM GOLGATHA !!(Vidal)
'A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Golgotha!'
To those who are truly seeking the truth about the "Manufactured and Re-Manufactured from the death and ashes of the failed original cult of Jesus, the 'Pseudo-Jewish Messiah',... here it is, THE TRUTH:
It is A.D. 96; St. Timothy is the Bishop of Macedonia and other Roman jurisdictions. He is in his study in Thessalonica. Timothy is under terrific pressure to record his version of the "Sacred Story." Timothy's Gospel is intended to be the only one of dozens of such books that would be immunized and protected from then-current hacking and re-juggling of the Christian Myth like some devastating and deadly pervading Catholic-like virus.
So Old Tim wrote the "Gospel of St. Timothy", wherein Tim confessedly revelates truth.
Synopsis:(Saul/Paul was Timothy's Mentor and Religious Boss for some 20-odd years)
Paul reportedly authored some 13 biblical missiles, and reportedly co-authored the off- kiltered Gospel, that Lulu -"Luke", and the self-aggrandizing "Book of Acts"; ... all of which contains Paul's magic conversion to religious boon; also, his writings re-mapped the Cruci-Fiction Story invented by Paul, the Usurping Apostle #13.
It's all a part of his ingenious plottings to "Double-Cross" Jesus and the floundering, dying Neo-Jewish-styled religion that Jesus (decades previous) failed at miserably.
What keeps one catching one's breath, and again and again, is the unfailing brio with which, by whisking through the OT Biblical Blender, Saul/Paul pricks and parodies various sacrosanct Jewish socio-cultural jargons, pieties, foreskin strippin', Mosaic Law-defying, to distorting and aborting sacred legendary patriarchal-speak, while at the same time ruthlessly exposing the fragility of the then all-but-ossified Christo-Iconography.
Paul was the original chicanery-like "Elmer Gantry" who recognized a grand opportunity of world-shaking proportions by re-tooling the battered-down, dying remnant of the Jesus Cult. He saw that he could turn Jesus' dumb Jerusalem donkey-ride into a raging railroad!
The formula's ingredients were really simple things in Paul's scheming capitalist mind:
1 > All mankind are sinfully-endowed;
2 > Paul's Orthodox Jewish religion practiced sin-atoning animal sacs;
3 > Greece, Rome all the civilized world's pagan religions were sin-atonement based;
4 > Christians had developed the post-Jesus idea that he died as their vicarious redeemer;
5 > They (the James/Peter cult) believed that Jesus' Davidic Kingdom was only for Jews;
6 > Paul saw Gentiles ready to accept a cross-hanged Jesus as Messiah (better,'Christ').
(A 'Jesus-On-A-Stick' atonement icon would be much more user-friendly for the world than those messy old, and very expensive animal sacrifices, for both Jews and Gentiles!)
7 > Paul saw the OT Laws and Rites as a 'WALL' that he must destroy to be successful;
8 > Paul creatively twisted and manipulated scriptures to magically universalize Christ;
9 > Jehovah-be-damned, Paul claimed that Jesus was Crucified to destroy the OT routine;
10 > The Abrahamic and Mosaic 'Eternal Covenants' were dead and Paulianity was born:
11 > VIOLA!! Romanized Christendom was born, and Paul etal began clippin' coupons!
12 > Opportunists James and Peter etal quickly saw the new light and dove in head-first!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_from_Golgot...
Doesn't Romans 14 show that Paul left the wall intact
Excited

Clarksville, TN

#22 Feb 2, 2013
backstrokes wrote:
!! LIVE FROM GOLGATHA !!(Vidal)
'A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Golgotha!'
To those who are truly seeking the truth about the "Manufactured and Re-Manufactured from the death and ashes of the failed original cult of Jesus, the 'Pseudo-Jewish Messiah',... here it is, THE TRUTH:
It is A.D. 96; St. Timothy is the Bishop of Macedonia and other Roman jurisdictions. He is in his study in Thessalonica. Timothy is under terrific pressure to record his version of the "Sacred Story." Timothy's Gospel is intended to be the only one of dozens of such books that would be immunized and protected from then-current hacking and re-juggling of the Christian Myth like some devastating and deadly pervading Catholic-like virus.
So Old Tim wrote the "Gospel of St. Timothy", wherein Tim confessedly revelates truth.
Synopsis:(Saul/Paul was Timothy's Mentor and Religious Boss for some 20-odd years)
Paul reportedly authored some 13 biblical missiles, and reportedly co-authored the off- kiltered Gospel, that Lulu -"Luke", and the self-aggrandizing "Book of Acts"; ... all of which contains Paul's magic conversion to religious boon; also, his writings re-mapped the Cruci-Fiction Story invented by Paul, the Usurping Apostle #13.
It's all a part of his ingenious plottings to "Double-Cross" Jesus and the floundering, dying Neo-Jewish-styled religion that Jesus (decades previous) failed at miserably.
What keeps one catching one's breath, and again and again, is the unfailing brio with which, by whisking through the OT Biblical Blender, Saul/Paul pricks and parodies various sacrosanct Jewish socio-cultural jargons, pieties, foreskin strippin', Mosaic Law-defying, to distorting and aborting sacred legendary patriarchal-speak, while at the same time ruthlessly exposing the fragility of the then all-but-ossified Christo-Iconography.
Paul was the original chicanery-like "Elmer Gantry" who recognized a grand opportunity of world-shaking proportions by re-tooling the battered-down, dying remnant of the Jesus Cult. He saw that he could turn Jesus' dumb Jerusalem donkey-ride into a raging railroad!
The formula's ingredients were really simple things in Paul's scheming capitalist mind:
1 > All mankind are sinfully-endowed;
2 > Paul's Orthodox Jewish religion practiced sin-atoning animal sacs;
3 > Greece, Rome all the civilized world's pagan religions were sin-atonement based;
4 > Christians had developed the post-Jesus idea that he died as their vicarious redeemer;
5 > They (the James/Peter cult) believed that Jesus' Davidic Kingdom was only for Jews;
6 > Paul saw Gentiles ready to accept a cross-hanged Jesus as Messiah (better,'Christ').
(A 'Jesus-On-A-Stick' atonement icon would be much more user-friendly for the world than those messy old, and very expensive animal sacrifices, for both Jews and Gentiles!)
7 > Paul saw the OT Laws and Rites as a 'WALL' that he must destroy to be successful;
8 > Paul creatively twisted and manipulated scriptures to magically universalize Christ;
9 > Jehovah-be-damned, Paul claimed that Jesus was Crucified to destroy the OT routine;
10 > The Abrahamic and Mosaic 'Eternal Covenants' were dead and Paulianity was born:
11 > VIOLA!! Romanized Christendom was born, and Paul etal began clippin' coupons!
12 > Opportunists James and Peter etal quickly saw the new light and dove in head-first!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_from_Golgot...
Doesn't Romans 14 show Paul left the wall intact?
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#27 Feb 3, 2013
NDanger wrote:
If you speak about the Bible as 'the book of lies', slam people by calling them 'fundies', bible thumpers, etc while referring to Paul as an imposter...Why would you even remotely expect a response to your thread? At least from a Christian...
Besides, you whining about no responses when the elapsed time from the last idiotic response was during the night is absurd at best...
You watching this thread is like chewing toothpicks and watching the moon go by...

1. Here's a good one, go and actually 'study' the Bible, learn its Truth...it really is amazing...honest...
1. Learn it thru the lens of which group? Which sect? They all borrow heavily from the original Sects, now known as the RCC and the Eastern Orthodox Church - yet most Protys revile the RCC out of habit while many are not even aware that the Eastern Church exists. Then thru history each succeeding Proty sect from the Lutherans and Calvinists - has added/subtracted their own little spins. Each group making sure to point the finger of non-True-Xtian at the others and so it went and still goes. Each sect claiming absolute authority over the Bible and its alleged word of the God within. Sect after sect, spin-off group after spin-off group...all laying claim to the REAL TRUTH of the Bible.

So thru which of these lenses is the newbie supposed to find this elusive "truth" of yours...?

IMO, this alleged "truth" of the Bible - which is a NT vehicle, as the OT is used only for convenience sake to vilify various groups who disagree with Xtians - can be boiled down to a few lines about treating others as you would yourself (which is always scary when you see how some people treat themselves) and turning the other cheek and looking at ones own life before casting judgment on others.

Thats it! All the rest, all the myths and fairy tales about a God-man, dying for humanities sins (which was clearly a waste of time and blood) and the gate being narrow, and faith only versus faith and works, and some later date return (which never occurred on the original schedule and never will) and all the myriad arcana is all fluff of ancient story telling when Humans lived in what they thought was a demon haunted world. Where Boogey men came and went and tried to get humans to do stupid shyte in violation of some Sky-Gods rules.

Read the Bible, sure why not, but dont fall for all the historical and ridiculous frippery added to it. Thats all nonsense and distracting from a few simple and pithy messages.
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#28 Feb 3, 2013
OKAY wrote:
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They were too stupid, like you, to 'get it'. Paul was a lot more 'inspired' than you will ever admit to. Remember, Paul killed Christians for a living.
Right, so like many a man who killed for the state - he had a crisis of conscious and in that went bat-shyte crazy to the extreme. He sweated guilt and shame from every pore, so he put himself in the direct line of fire like the ones he so callously murdered for money and title. He became a victim of the very State that hired him to murder innocents.

He had a psychotic break-down and ran in the complete opposite direction of his past life, and managed to get himself killed like his victims. Nothing new about the psychological effects some men suffer from being state sponsored murders of innocents.

This oft told nonesne about his dying for his beliefs is so specious at this point in history. Many men and women have died for their beliefs and most never dealt with Superstitious stories about Sky-gods.

Dying for a belief system is rather common in the human story. And it no way means the system is of Divine origin or proves the veracity of the claims. Paul and any of the apostles, or later martyrs dying for this new Religion in no way proves their claims. No way, and it never will.

Many black American WW2 soldiers died for a notion of Democracy that simply did NOT exist for them or their families in the United States. Yet they died for it anyway. So too for Japanese Americans. They died for an ethereal belief that only truly lived in their own heads and hearts - not in reality and certainly not on the "books" back home.
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#29 Feb 3, 2013
oops - conscience...not conscious...
OKAY

Houston, TX

#31 Feb 4, 2013
backstrokes wrote:
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>> Again, OKAY, when Paul started out he could not have known those things were in store, and, even if he suspected such opposition, the rewards, and his devotion to, the "Golden Goose" religion he obviously deemed to be worth the risk. Every despot and religious crackpot went forth like soldiers and bravely faced the future with all risks worth taking. Hitler, Mussolini,... or say, Martin Luther, Wycliff, Miller, Joseph Smith,... all of them; they all are cut from the same psychotic, self-aggrandizing cloth, and are brazenly brave!
Suchlike maniacs, including "Saul/Paul," enamor their blinded-by-a-vision-of-grandeu r egos (which they all have, i.e., divine visions, like Paul claimed he had!), to the heights of being God-ordained and, thus, incapable of failure.
Beside, it all smacks of self-boastings on Paul's part because everything you mention that he supposedly suffered was concocted by him alone and never witnessed to by anyone!
As far as the myth that you try appealing to, that Paul suffered "beheading under Nero", there is zero (NADA) historic proof that such ever occurred. In fact, no Post-Paul NT writings even hint that he was executed, like they do about James and Peter.
In fact, the Book of Acts ends with Paul living free and luxuriantly in his own house and being free to preach his religion, write and live as his plush Roman citizenship called for.
Obviously, the Romans and even Caesar loved and admired Paul. He appealed to Caesar. It was only the Sanhedrim, Pharisaic and Jewish-rabid Christians who tried to kill Paul!!
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Boomerang that false and unwarranted charge, OKAY!!
It is YOUR blind faith, Bible, Pauline Religion, and your God that is pure "BULLSH*T!"
In these, your postings, U are straining hard to find a way to justify Saul/Paul's religious chicanery. In doing so, you are too blinded to see the glaringly bigger picture on Paul.
Jesus nails U and Saul/Paul dead on this point, "You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel." - Matt 23:24
The REAL Christianity of Jesus, James, Peter and the Jewish Messiah Flock, is deader than a doornail. The modern-day Christianity, like what OKAY blindly follows is the religion concocted by that blind Jewish-Roman Despot, Saul/Paul. It should be called "Paulianity!"
'Again, OKAY, when Paul started out he could not have known those things were in store'

Of course he did, do you think he thought 'Gee, now that I am a convert, everything will be OK cuz I say so'?

Kissadio, your absence wasn't missed in the least...and your BS posts prove it.
OKAY

Houston, TX

#32 Feb 4, 2013
Punisher wrote:
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1. Learn it thru the lens of which group? Which sect? They all borrow heavily from the original Sects, now known as the RCC and the Eastern Orthodox Church - yet most Protys revile the RCC out of habit while many are not even aware that the Eastern Church exists. Then thru history each succeeding Proty sect from the Lutherans and Calvinists - has added/subtracted their own little spins. Each group making sure to point the finger of non-True-Xtian at the others and so it went and still goes. Each sect claiming absolute authority over the Bible and its alleged word of the God within. Sect after sect, spin-off group after spin-off group...all laying claim to the REAL TRUTH of the Bible.
So thru which of these lenses is the newbie supposed to find this elusive "truth" of yours...?
IMO, this alleged "truth" of the Bible - which is a NT vehicle, as the OT is used only for convenience sake to vilify various groups who disagree with Xtians - can be boiled down to a few lines about treating others as you would yourself (which is always scary when you see how some people treat themselves) and turning the other cheek and looking at ones own life before casting judgment on others.
Thats it! All the rest, all the myths and fairy tales about a God-man, dying for humanities sins (which was clearly a waste of time and blood) and the gate being narrow, and faith only versus faith and works, and some later date return (which never occurred on the original schedule and never will) and all the myriad arcana is all fluff of ancient story telling when Humans lived in what they thought was a demon haunted world. Where Boogey men came and went and tried to get humans to do stupid shyte in violation of some Sky-Gods rules.
Read the Bible, sure why not, but dont fall for all the historical and ridiculous frippery added to it. Thats all nonsense and distracting from a few simple and pithy messages.
Read it on your own accord. GOD will open your eyes if you open your heart. No glasses needed

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