Jesus died on THURSDAY not Friday

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Ant

Palo Alto, CA

#1 Jan 14, 2014
-Matthew 27 shows they wanted a guard there until the 3rd day

Matthew 27:62-65
New King James Version (NKJV)
Pilate Sets a Guard

62 On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate, 63 saying,“Sir, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said,‘After three days I will rise.’ 64 Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest His disciples come by night[a] and steal Him away, and say to the people,‘He has risen from the dead.’ So the last deception will be worse than the first.”
65 Pilate said to them,“You have a guard; go your way, make it as secure as you know how.”

-Matthew 28 shows after the sabbath was over the angel from heaven came and removed the stone, at this point the guards collapsed.

Matthew 28
New King James Version (NKJV)
He Is Risen
28 Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. 2 And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door,[a] and sat on it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4 And the guards shook for fear of him, and became like dead men.
5 But the angel answered and said to the women,“Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. 6 He is not here; for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

-Luke 24 shows when they got there early at sunrise in the morning the tomb was already empty, so he rose before sunrise, so there goes the whole he rose at sunrise theory.

Luke 24
He Is Risen
24 Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them,[a] came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared. 2 But they found the stone rolled away from the tomb. 3 Then they went in and did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 And it happened, as they were greatly[b] perplexed about this, that behold, two men stood by them in shining garments. 5 Then, as they were afraid and bowed their faces to the earth, they said to them,“Why do you seek the living among the dead? 6 He is not here, but is risen! Remember how He spoke to you when He was still in Galilee, 7 saying,‘The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.’”

-Mark 16 shows when they got there at sunrise in the morning the tomb was already empty, so he rose before sunrise, so once again, there goes the whole he rose at sunrise theory.

Mark 16
New King James Version (NKJV)
He Is Risen
16 Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him. 2 Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. 3 And they said among themselves,“Who will roll away the stone from the door of the tomb for us?” 4 But when they looked up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away—for it was very large. 5 And entering the tomb, they saw a young man clothed in a long white robe sitting on the right side; and they were alarmed.

-John 20 shows it was dark when they got to the tomb on Sunday and the tomb was empty, so yet another gospel shows he did not rise at sunrise and was already gone

John 20
The Empty Tomb
20 Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb. 2 Then she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them,“They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him.”
3 Peter therefore went out, and the other disciple, and were going to the tomb. 4 So they both ran together, and the other disciple outran Peter and came to the tomb first.
Ant

Palo Alto, CA

#5 Jan 15, 2014
Hardie-Har-Har wrote:
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Hi Ant,...
"Jesus Died!",...
End of Story!...
Hardie-Har-Har!
Agreed, but why keep pushing this Friday story that is proving not to be true.
Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu

Chardon, OH

#6 Jan 15, 2014
It's all about the resurrection!

The day of the week he died isn't important. It's all about the resurrection!

The resurrection is the triumphant and glorious victory for every believer. Jesus Christ died, was buried, and rose the third day according to the Scripture. And, He is coming again! The dead in Christ will be raised up, and those who remain and are alive at His coming will be changed and receive new, glorified bodies (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18). The resurrection of Jesus Christ is important to our salvation. It demonstrated that God accepted Jesus’ sacrifice on our behalf. It proves that God has the power to raise us from the dead. It guarantees that those who believe in Christ will not remain dead, but will be resurrected unto eternal life. That is our blessed hope!
Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu

Chardon, OH

#7 Jan 15, 2014
Ant wrote:
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Agreed, but why keep pushing this Friday story that is proving not to be true.
http://www.compellingtruth.org/Jesus-crucifie...

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#10 Jan 15, 2014
If you're trying to say Jesus died on a Thursday, then the whole NT is a lie. You can't keep changing things to make your theology fit. Jesus was crucified on a Friday and they probably had to break his legs to kill him. It takes 2-3 days to die from crucifixion unless they break the legs. The NT says they did this because the Sabbath was coming which starts Friday at sundown. That's where "Good Friday" comes from. The "crucifixion" was supposed to last 9 hours. Christians claim Jesus rose on Sunday morning, after about 36 hours, not 3 days and 3 nights which was the only sign Jesus gave (Jonah). It didn't happen. It says in Colossians 2:14 that everything Jesus didn't fulfill was "nailed to the cross" That is basically all of messianic prophecy. Jesus was a false messiah wannabe, and there have been many others like him. His memory will rot and be forgotten.

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#11 Jan 15, 2014
Psycho Suzie PERVERTS nearly every Scripture she touches. Your she Devil crossdresser is leading you to Hell fire.

TORMENTED, FOREVER

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

“It is well with my soul”

Since: Feb 10

Whereabouts in Jersey

#12 Jan 16, 2014
Ant wrote:
-Matthew 27 shows they wanted a guard there until the 3rd day
Matthew 27:62-65
New King James Version (NKJV)
Pilate Sets a Guard
62 On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate, 63 saying,“Sir, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said,‘After three days I will rise.’ 64 Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest His disciples come by night[a] and steal Him away, and say to the people,‘He has risen from the dead.’ So the last deception will be worse than the first.”
65 Pilate said to them,“You have a guard; go your way, make it as secure as you know how.”
-Matthew 28 shows after the sabbath was over the angel from heaven came and removed the stone, at this point the guards collapsed.
Theoretically speaking, and perhaps even more technically speaking, if you are going by the Gregorian solar calendar, Jesus was buried in the tomb before sundown on Wednesday evening.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#13 Jan 16, 2014
Did Jesus die in the morning on the day of Passover, the morning after the Passover meal was eaten (as per Mark 15:25)?

Or did Jesus die on the day of Preparation for the Passover(as per John 19:14)?

From Bart Ehrman's "Jesus, Interrupted" pages 25-27

Jesus and his disciples have made a pilgrimage to Jerusalem for the Passover feast. In Mark 14:12, the disciples ask Jesus where they are to prepare the Passover meal for that evening. In other words, this is on the Day of Preparation for Passover. Jesus gives them instructions. They make the preparations, and when it is evening-the beginning of Passover day-they have the meal. It is a special meal indeed. Jesus takes the symbolic foods of the Passover and imbues them with yet more symbolic meaning. He takes the unleavened bread, breaks it, and says, "This is my body." By implication, his body must be broken for salvation. Then after supper he takes the cup of wine and says, "This is my blood of the covenant, that is poured out for many" (Mark 14:22-25), meaning that his own blood must be shed.

After the disciples eat the Passover meal they go out to the Garden of Gethsemane to pray. Judas Iscariot brings the troops and performs his act of betrayal. Jesus is taken to stand trial before the Jewish authorities. He spends the night in jail, and the next morning he is put on trial before the Roman governor, Pontius Pilate, who finds him guilty and condemns him to death by crucifixion. We are told that he is crucified that same day, at nine o'clock in the morning (Mark 15:25). Jesus, then, dies on the day of Passover, the morning after the Passover meal was eaten.

In the Gospel of John, Jesus goes to Jerusalem in the last week of his life to celebrate the Passover feast, and here, too, there is a last meal, a betrayal, a trial before Pilate, and the crucifixion. But it is striking that in John, at the beginning of the account, in contrast to Mark, the disciples do not ask Jesus where they are "to prepare the Passover." Consequently, he gives them no instructions for preparing the meal. They do eat a final supper together.

After the meal they go out. Jesus is betrayed by Judas, appears before the Jewish authorities, spends the night in jail, and is put on trial before Pontius Pilate, who finds him guilty and condemns him to be crucified. And we are told exactly when Pilate pronounces the sentence: "It was the Day of Preparation for the Passover; and it was about noon" (John 19:14).

On the Day of Preparation for the Passover? The day the lambs were slaughtered? How can that be? In Mark's Gospel, Jesus lived through that day, had his disciples prepare the Passover meal, and ate it with them before being arrested, taken to jail for the night, tried the next morning, and executed on the Passover day. But not in John. In John, Jesus dies a day earlier, on the Day of Preparation for the Passover.

And so the contradiction stands: in Mark, Jesus eats the Passover meal (Thursday night) and is crucified the following morning. In John, Jesus does not eat the Passover meal but is crucified on the day before the Passover meal was to be eaten.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#14 Jan 16, 2014
The point of my post is that the gospels contradict themselves on the day on which Jesus died, so there are not "inerrant" or 'totally without error."

How can we then say "Well, Jesus rose from the dead, whatever the day," when we have clear evidence that the gospels writers were telling a story and working an agenda here?

John, for example, CLEARY wants to portray Jesus was the "Lamb of God, slain from the foundation of the world," so he contrives to have Jesus arrested and killed on WEDNESDAY, the day BEFORE Passover, the Day of Preparation for the Passover, on which thousands of lambs are ritually slaughtered for the Passover Seder that evening.

The other gospels, however, all go with Thursday, since they are copied from Mark's early account, and they have Jesus celebrating the Passover Seder, then being arrested, tried and executed on the first day of Passover, a day LATER than John..

“Jesus is Lord”

Since: Aug 11

Greenwood, Indiana

#15 Jan 16, 2014
Ant wrote:
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Agreed, but why keep pushing this Friday story that is proving not to be true.
Proving my foot you are nothing but a Liar from hell get out of here demon!!
Huh

Sussex, WI

#16 Jan 16, 2014
Even the usually skeptical historian Michael Grant, a fellow of Trinity College, Cambridge, and professor at Edinburgh University, concedes in his book Jesus: An Historian’s Review of the Gospels,“True, the discovery of the empty tomb is differently described by the various gospels, but if we apply the same sort of criteria that we would apply to any other ancient literary sources, then the evidence is firm and plausible enough to necessitate the conclusion that the tomb was, indeed, found empty.”

The differences between the empty tomb narratives are indicative of multiple, independent affirmations of the story. Sometimes people say,“Matthew and Luke just plagiarized from Mark,” but when one examines the narratives closely, the divergences suggest that even if Matthew and Luke did know Mark’s account, they also had separate, independent sources.

So with these multiple and independent accounts, no historian would disregard this evidence just because of secondary discrepancies. Consider the secular example of Hannibal crossing the Alps to attack Rome, for which there are two historically incompatible and irreconcilable accounts. Yet no classical historian doubts the fact that Hannibal did mount such a campaign. Hannibal’s crossing is a nonbiblical illustration of a story in which discrepancies in secondary details fail to undermine the historical core accuracy of the event.

http://www.biblegateway.com/blog/2012/03/ques...
Ant

Palo Alto, CA

#17 Jan 16, 2014
susanblange wrote:
If you're trying to say Jesus died on a Thursday, then the whole NT is a lie. You can't keep changing things to make your theology fit. Jesus was crucified on a Friday and they probably had to break his legs to kill him. It takes 2-3 days to die from crucifixion unless they break the legs. The NT says they did this because the Sabbath was coming which starts Friday at sundown. That's where "Good Friday" comes from. The "crucifixion" was supposed to last 9 hours. Christians claim Jesus rose on Sunday morning, after about 36 hours, not 3 days and 3 nights which was the only sign Jesus gave (Jonah). It didn't happen. It says in Colossians 2:14 that everything Jesus didn't fulfill was "nailed to the cross" That is basically all of messianic prophecy. Jesus was a false messiah wannabe, and there have been many others like him. His memory will rot and be forgotten.
The Sabbath that was approaching was not the Saturday Sabbath, but it was the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which is a Sabbath too in which no work is allowed, so that would explain why they came to anoint the body with spices after the Sabbath on Saturday, because they were not allowed to do any work on Friday (Unleavened Bread) or Saturday ( Sabbath).

We get good Friday, because the Catholic Church wants a good Friday, it is IMPOSSIBLE to get 3 days from Friday to Sunday, we only believe in and do Friday because of what we have been taught growing up.
Huh

Sussex, WI

#18 Jan 16, 2014
Ant wrote:
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The Sabbath that was approaching was not the Saturday Sabbath, but it was the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which is a Sabbath too in which no work is allowed, so that would explain why they came to anoint the body with spices after the Sabbath on Saturday, because they were not allowed to do any work on Friday (Unleavened Bread) or Saturday ( Sabbath).
We get good Friday, because the Catholic Church wants a good Friday, it is IMPOSSIBLE to get 3 days from Friday to Sunday, we only believe in and do Friday because of what we have been taught growing up.
Impossible?

Friday = day 1
Saturday = day 2
Sunday = day 3

Possible!
nc resident

Charlotte, NC

#19 Jan 16, 2014
Ant wrote:
<quoted text>
The Sabbath that was approaching was not the Saturday Sabbath, but it was the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which is a Sabbath too in which no work is allowed, so that would explain why they came to anoint the body with spices after the Sabbath on Saturday, because they were not allowed to do any work on Friday (Unleavened Bread) or Saturday ( Sabbath).
We get good Friday, because the Catholic Church wants a good Friday, it is IMPOSSIBLE to get 3 days from Friday to Sunday, we only believe in and do Friday because of what we have been taught growing up.
on the third day he rose again ...
Friday ...day one
Saturday ...day two
Sunday ...day three
Ant

Palo Alto, CA

#20 Jan 16, 2014
Huh wrote:
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Impossible?
Friday = day 1
Saturday = day 2
Sunday = day 3
Possible!
How is that possible when he died at 3pm on a Friday with 3 hrs left to go in the day 3hr doesnt equal 1 day.

3pm Fridat to 6am Sunday morning is 39 hrs tops, so you dont even get 2 days out of that
Ant

Palo Alto, CA

#21 Jan 16, 2014
ThePreacherman01 wrote:
<quoted text>Proving my foot you are nothing but a Liar from hell get out of here demon!!
Go to Hell dude, I have never called you a demon on some of the crap you have posted that is not accurate , and you will not sit here and call me names. You Good Friday lie is being exposed and you cant say anything because scriptures defeats false logic .
Ant

Palo Alto, CA

#22 Jan 16, 2014
nc resident wrote:
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on the third day he rose again ...
Friday ...day one
Saturday ...day two
Sunday ...day three
Daniel 9:26-27

New King James Version (NKJV)

26 “And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

Didnt Jesus death stop animal sacrifices? So if this scripture is referring to the Messiah and says he will be taken away in the Midst of the week, we can have faith the bible is true and he didnt die on a Friday, but did infact die in the middle of the week
nc resident

Charlotte, NC

#23 Jan 16, 2014
Ant wrote:
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How is that possible when he died at 3pm on a Friday with 3 hrs left to go in the day 3hr doesnt equal 1 day.
3pm Fridat to 6am Sunday morning is 39 hrs tops, so you dont even get 2 days out of that
Errr... can you show me where in the bible it states 72 hrs?????

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#24 Jan 16, 2014
Ant wrote:
<quoted text>
Daniel 9:26-27
New King James Version (NKJV)
26 “And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”
Didnt Jesus death stop animal sacrifices? So if this scripture is referring to the Messiah and says he will be taken away in the Midst of the week, we can have faith the bible is true and he didnt die on a Friday, but did infact die in the middle of the week
Jesus isn't the Anti-Christ. Daniel 9:26b - Daniel 9:27 are very talking about the future Anti-Christ. The Anti-Christ will confirm a covenant for 1 week (7 years), then break it midway through when he stops the daily sacrifices, sits in the temple and claims to be God, and sets up the abomination of desolation.(Daniel 11:31-34, Daniel 12:11, Matt 24:15, Mark 13:14, 2 Thessalonians 2:4)

"The people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary" was in reference to the Roman Empire that destroyed the city and temple in 70AD. The prince who is to come is the future Anti-Christ. Jesus' people didn't destroy the temple and Jerusalem. Jesus isn't an abomination, Jesus didn't confirm a 7 year covenant, Jesus isn't the Anti-Christ.

But Daniel 9:26a is in reference to Jesus (Messiah) being cut off (crucified) right on schedule as prophesied in the Old Testament scriptures (Nehemiah 2:1-8).

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#25 Jan 16, 2014
are very talking

typo: omit "very"

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