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#21 Feb 5, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
The Catholic Church has elevated itself above the very Word of God. Writings from its church fathers and its traditions supersede what the firsthand disciples wrote down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Yea, the church of Rome has hoisted itself above God Himself. Jesus warned the Pharisees "Full well ye reject the commandments of God, that ye may keep the traditions of men."
I didn't realize how ignorant you are, but....you are.
The Church came first and, from this Church came the Bible.
The Church has the Authority given to it by Jesus Himself, and the Church never turned over its authority to the Bible.

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#22 Feb 5, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
<quoted text>You pray to a pagan, virgin goddess, so your prayer will go unheard.
Mary's Queenship is first based on her maternal relationship with Jesus. Here the ancient Hebraic notion of the Queen Mother applies to Mary as Mother of the Messianic King, Jesus Christ. In ancient Israel, the most important woman in the monarchy was generally the queen mother, not the queen. In the southern kingdom of Judah, the kings' wives were apparently never "queens." It was the queen mother (Hebrew, gebira or "Great Lady"), the king's mother, who was honored and who wielded authority as a counselor to the king.

In 1 Kings 2:19, Bathsheba, the queen mother of Solomon, is honored by her son, who stands to greet her and pays her homage when she comes to him on a matter of state. The Bible declares, "Then he sat down upon his throne, and a throne was provided for the king's mother, who sat at his right."

Furthermore, the queen mother often advised the king. Proverbs 31:1-9, for example, summarizes the advice King Lemuel's mother gave him on how to govern. Included are warnings to the king against focusing on his harem and against excessive drinking, as well as an appeal that he care for the poor. The close link between the king and the queen mother can also be seen in Jeremiah 13:18. Jeremiah warns of the judgment to come on the monarchy and includes the queen mother: "Say to the king and to the queen mother: come down from your throne; From your heads fall your magnificent crowns." Apparently, not only the king but also the queen mother wore a crown.

Psalm 45:9 refers to the Queen Mother standing at the king's right hand, arrayed in gold. Hebrews 1:8-9 applies this psalm to Jesus as Messianic King. By extension, Psalm 45:9 would then apply prophetically to the Messianic King's Mother, Mary.

Which brings us to the New Testament. These texts provide the Old Testament background to Mary's role in the New Testament. At the Annunciation, the angel Gabriel announced to Mary that she would conceive and bear a son whom she would name Jesus. Then Gabriel declared, "The Lord God will give him the throne of his David his father, and he will rule over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end" (Lk 1:32-33; RNAB). Since Jesus is certainly the Messianic King, it follows that Mary's role is that of the Queen Mother of the Messianic King.
http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/librar...

*calling the Virgin Mary the Queen of Heaven is very Biblical.

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#23 Feb 5, 2013
QUITTNER wrote:
agnostic zen guy,

..... As a result of your studies, what are your most important conclusions?
Simply put, no one know's what the f___ their talking about, lol.

We're all clueless.
frank

Fayetteville, NC

#24 Feb 5, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
Unfortunately, many non-Catholics have been so schooled in hostility toward the Church that they appear unable or unwilling to recognize these distinctions. They confidently (often arrogantly) assert that Catholics "worship" Mary and the saints, and, in so doing, commit idolatry. This is patently false, of course, but the education in anti-Catholic prejudice is so strong that one must patiently explain that Catholics do not worship anyone but God..
Many people, including most muslims, jews, and many protestants, consider the act of praying to dead guys--saints or not--as a form of worship.

For example, as I'm sure you know, there are saints whom supposedly specialize in all kinds of stuff----finding lost objects, homes--the cartels even have a saint that they pray to for success in drug smuggling (Jesús Malverde, though not officially recognized by the RCC).

So, two questions:

1. How is this different from worship?

2. How is this any different from the ancient practice of praying to different gods for different things?

peace

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#25 Feb 5, 2013
frank wrote:
<quoted text>
Many people, including most muslims, jews, and many protestants, consider the act of praying to dead guys--saints or not--as a form of worship.
For example, as I'm sure you know, there are saints whom supposedly specialize in all kinds of stuff----finding lost objects, homes--the cartels even have a saint that they pray to for success in drug smuggling (Jesús Malverde, though not officially recognized by the RCC).
So, two questions:
1. How is this different from worship?
2. How is this any different from the ancient practice of praying to different gods for different things?
peace
One Mediator

Another charge commonly levelled against asking the saints for their intercession is that this violates the sole mediatorship of Christ, which Paul discusses: "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Tim. 2:5).

But asking one person to pray for you in no way violates Christ’s mediatorship, as can be seen from considering the way in which Christ is a mediator. First, Christ is a unique mediator between man and God because he is the only person who is both God and man. He is the only bridge between the two, the only God-man. But that role as mediator is not compromised in the least by the fact that others intercede for us. Furthermore, Christ is a unique mediator between God and man because he is the Mediator of the New Covenant (Heb. 9:15, 12:24), just as Moses was the mediator (Greek mesitas) of the Old Covenant (Gal. 3:19–20).

The intercession of fellow Christians—which is what the saints in heaven are—also clearly does not interfere with Christ’s unique mediatorship because in the four verses immediately preceding 1 Timothy 2:5, Paul says that Christians should interceed: "First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way. This is good, and pleasing to God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:1–4). Clearly, then, intercessory prayers offered by Christians on behalf of others is something "good and pleasing to God," not something infringing on Christ’s role as mediator.
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/praying-to-the...
Christian

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#26 Feb 5, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't realize how ignorant you are, but....you are.
The Church came first and, from this Church came the Bible.
The Church has the Authority given to it by Jesus Himself, and the Church never turned over its authority to the Bible.
The church has authority over the Bible! God's Word?! The Living Word?! Wow! You have some serious problems, please get away from those false teachers.

“ ILKS r kewl ”

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#27 Feb 5, 2013
Christian wrote:
<quoted text>
The church has authority over the Bible! God's Word?! The Living Word?! Wow! You have some serious problems, please get away from those false teachers.
Like saul.. er.. paul?

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#28 Feb 5, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Mary's Queenship is first based on her maternal relationship with Jesus. Here the ancient Hebraic notion of the Queen Mother applies to Mary as Mother of the Messianic King, Jesus Christ. In ancient Israel, the most important woman in the monarchy was generally the queen mother, not the queen. In the southern kingdom of Judah, the kings' wives were apparently never "queens." It was the queen mother (Hebrew, gebira or "Great Lady"), the king's mother, who was honored and who wielded authority as a counselor to the king.
In 1 Kings 2:19, Bathsheba, the queen mother of Solomon, is honored by her son, who stands to greet her and pays her homage when she comes to him on a matter of state. The Bible declares, "Then he sat down upon his throne, and a throne was provided for the king's mother, who sat at his right."
Furthermore, the queen mother often advised the king. Proverbs 31:1-9, for example, summarizes the advice King Lemuel's mother gave him on how to govern. Included are warnings to the king against focusing on his harem and against excessive drinking, as well as an appeal that he care for the poor. The close link between the king and the queen mother can also be seen in Jeremiah 13:18. Jeremiah warns of the judgment to come on the monarchy and includes the queen mother: "Say to the king and to the queen mother: come down from your throne; From your heads fall your magnificent crowns." Apparently, not only the king but also the queen mother wore a crown.
Psalm 45:9 refers to the Queen Mother standing at the king's right hand, arrayed in gold. Hebrews 1:8-9 applies this psalm to Jesus as Messianic King. By extension, Psalm 45:9 would then apply prophetically to the Messianic King's Mother, Mary.
Which brings us to the New Testament. These texts provide the Old Testament background to Mary's role in the New Testament. At the Annunciation, the angel Gabriel announced to Mary that she would conceive and bear a son whom she would name Jesus. Then Gabriel declared, "The Lord God will give him the throne of his David his father, and he will rule over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end" (Lk 1:32-33; RNAB). Since Jesus is certainly the Messianic King, it follows that Mary's role is that of the Queen Mother of the Messianic King.
http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/librar...
*calling the Virgin Mary the Queen of Heaven is very Biblical.
Is that how the RCC rationalizes and justifies the Christianizing of the pagan practice of worshipping the "Goddess of the Earth & Fertility?" Jesuits were shocked when they arrived in China and saw images of their "Virgin Mary" in their temples of worship - PRIOR to Catholic missionaries arriving. The image of your alleged "Virgin Mary" was all across the world, such as Mexico BEFORE any Catholic cleric shoed up. Know why? When God confounded the languages at the Tower of Babel, the pagans scattered and took their virgin worship cult with them! That's why Paul faced fierce opposition when he came to Ephesus, where they had the same image, named Diana. "Great is Diana of Ephesus .. whom the whole world worshippeth" they yelled. They were upset Paul and other Christians were going to put a damper on their "Queen of Heaven" cult. The same cult the Jews followed under the Old Covenant. And, we know how that turned out. God put them under the yoke of their enemies for violating His commandment; "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me." This goddess cult is going to make a very strong comeback in the near future, and the RCC will be leading the charge. You have been taken captive by the "Wicked One' and do not even realize it.

“ ILKS r kewl ”

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#29 Feb 5, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
.
well? 30 seconds? 2 minutes?
when is he gonna come? Arent you masturbatin him?

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#30 Feb 5, 2013
Christian wrote:
<quoted text>
The church has authority over the Bible! God's Word?! The Living Word?! Wow! You have some serious problems, please get away from those false teachers.
Yes, within Catholicism, even the church has become an idol, which has supplanted even God Himself

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#31 Feb 5, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, within Catholicism, even the church has become an idol, which has supplanted even God Himself
Jesus founded His Church, the Catholic Church and gave it His Full Authority.
From all the oral teachings of the Apostles and Jesus (Sacred Tradition) came the Bible (Sacred Scripture/New Testament) which was written by some of the first Catholics.
The Bible is a Catholic document.
The Church have turned over the Authority given TO it by Jesus Himself to the Bible.
The Bible is one of the tools used by the Church in its teachings.
The Church has the Authority.
The Bible says so.

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#32 Feb 5, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, within Catholicism, even the church has become an idol, which has supplanted even God Himself
I fundieism, the Bible has become an idol.
Is it a fundie prerequisite to hate the the Catholic Church? The Catholic Church has the best scientists, the best astronomers, the best psychologists, the earliest documents. Are you just jealous, trying to affirm validity when you have none? LOL!

“Wear white at night.”

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#33 Feb 5, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, within Catholicism, even the church has become an idol, which has supplanted even God Himself
You are completely off your gourd.

God bless you.

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#34 Feb 5, 2013
Christian wrote:
<quoted text>
The church has authority over the Bible! God's Word?! The Living Word?! Wow! You have some serious problems, please get away from those false teachers.
Please educate yourself!

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#35 Feb 5, 2013
tickedoffchic wrote:
<quoted text>
I fundieism, the Bible has become an idol.
Is it a fundie prerequisite to hate the the Catholic Church? The Catholic Church has the best scientists, the best astronomers, the best psychologists, the earliest documents. Are you just jealous, trying to affirm validity when you have none? LOL!
typo: In fundieism...
Christian

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#36 Feb 6, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Mary's Queenship is first based on her maternal relationship with Jesus. Here the ancient Hebraic notion of the Queen Mother applies to Mary as Mother of the Messianic King, Jesus Christ. In ancient Israel, the most important woman in the monarchy was generally the queen mother, not the queen. In the southern kingdom of Judah, the kings' wives were apparently never "queens." It was the queen mother (Hebrew, gebira or "Great Lady"), the king's mother, who was honored and who wielded authority as a counselor to the king.
In 1 Kings 2:19, Bathsheba, the queen mother of Solomon, is honored by her son, who stands to greet her and pays her homage when she comes to him on a matter of state. The Bible declares, "Then he sat down upon his throne, and a throne was provided for the king's mother, who sat at his right."
Furthermore, the queen mother often advised the king. Proverbs 31:1-9, for example, summarizes the advice King Lemuel's mother gave him on how to govern. Included are warnings to the king against focusing on his harem and against excessive drinking, as well as an appeal that he care for the poor. The close link between the king and the queen mother can also be seen in Jeremiah 13:18. Jeremiah warns of the judgment to come on the monarchy and includes the queen mother: "Say to the king and to the queen mother: come down from your throne; From your heads fall your magnificent crowns." Apparently, not only the king but also the queen mother wore a crown.
Psalm 45:9 refers to the Queen Mother standing at the king's right hand, arrayed in gold. Hebrews 1:8-9 applies this psalm to Jesus as Messianic King. By extension, Psalm 45:9 would then apply prophetically to the Messianic King's Mother, Mary.
Which brings us to the New Testament. These texts provide the Old Testament background to Mary's role in the New Testament. At the Annunciation, the angel Gabriel announced to Mary that she would conceive and bear a son whom she would name Jesus. Then Gabriel declared, "The Lord God will give him the throne of his David his father, and he will rule over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end" (Lk 1:32-33; RNAB). Since Jesus is certainly the Messianic King, it follows that Mary's role is that of the Queen Mother of the Messianic King.
http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/librar...
*calling the Virgin Mary the Queen of Heaven is very Biblical.
You're right, Nuttie. The Bible does say something about your "gueen of heaven" (goddess).

17 Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?

18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

19 Do they provoke me to anger? saith the LORD: do they not provoke themselves to the confusion of their own faces?

20 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, mine anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place, upon man, and upon beast, and upon the trees of the field, and upon the fruit of the ground; and it shall burn, and shall not be quenched.

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#37 Feb 6, 2013
Troth for Leogere wrote:
<quoted text>well? 30 seconds? 2 minutes?
when is he gonna come? Arent you masturbatin him?
www.scribd.com/doc/22629976... The answers you seek lie within. Jump to the next to the last chapter' "When Will the End Times Come?" www.scribd.com/doc/22629976 ...

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#38 Feb 6, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
<quoted text>
You are completely off your gourd.
God bless you.
Same to you ")

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#39 Feb 6, 2013
Verses you will not hear repeated in Catholic Mass: "...whence hath this man (Jesus) this wisdom, and these mighty works? Is this not the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And his brethern James and Joses, and Simon and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?" - Matt 13:54-56. This passage refutes the Catholic fable that Mary remained a virgin after she bore Jesus. Once again, you either believe the written word of God, or you follow the Roman Catholic Church's pagan teachings.

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#40 Feb 6, 2013
Further verification: Gal 1:19 states "James the Lord's brother." Now, unless you have historical proof Joseph divorced Mary, and had children from another woman, Mary had several babies after she bore Jesus. This virgin mother fable was invented and attached to Mary by the Pharisees of Catholicism to placate and draw in pagans, who had "virgin mother" beliefs ingrained in societies since the days of Nimrod. Every single ritual and belief in Catholicism has a pagan equivalent attached to it. Therefore, it is a counterfeit Christian denomination that cannot be accepted by the Lord. He did not allow the Jews of the Old Testament to mix pagan practices with His ordained laws. How is it you think He will approve of Christianizing pagan practices and beliefs under the New Testament?

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