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“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

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#127 Dec 1, 2012
Allen Richards wrote:
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Hey stupid! Here is the link again look in the upper right hand corner and you will see that the CCEL is maintained by Calvin College.
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http://www.ccel.org/ccel/edersheim/lifetimes....
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"Calvin College is a comprehensive liberal arts college in the Reformed tradition of historic Christianity."
Just because a book is on a library doesn't mean IT'S A CREDIBLE SOURCE......and really from a Christian College.........what a joke.....I guess the book I See Jesus must be credible to, right?

There are many books at college libraries........some are fiction, some aren't.......and only if the reader believes it is credible, which obviously you do......should matter, right?

Again, just because you don't agree with the sites I posted......doesn't mean they are not credible......it just means you don't happen to agree with them!!!

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#128 Dec 1, 2012
Allen Richards wrote:
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Hey stupid! I was not quoting the CCEL! I was quoting from a classic text titled "The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah" written by Alfred Edersheim a Christian author who was formerly orthodox Jewish. And, unlike the garbage site you linked to, the source I quoted listed several historical Jewish sources. See the footnotes. If you had a speck of objectivity you would know this. But all you can do is rant.
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You abject ignorance about citing evidence and sources is mind boggling.
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And you keep siting one source as some frucking gospel and it's his opinion.......regardless of what others may think......and I'm certain there are books that disagree with this author's assessment!!!

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#129 Dec 1, 2012
NorCal Native wrote:
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Exactly......so, your website is no more credible or a reliable source just because you want it to be......thanks for proving my point!!!
Funny thing is that unless I'm using an online database like Questia.......most of the stuff that one can find online is up for interpretation by the person who is using the source......like I stated, with the specific question I asked in my google search.......over 6 million sites come up and I don't know which is credible or not........but they do provide the information that disagrees with what you want to believe.
Maybe if you'd stop calling folks liars who disagree with ya, you might learn something..........I didn't earn a Masters degree by writing crap and calling folks a liar who disagree with my topic.......besides, I don't care when Jesus was born, but your posts certainly do get rather pissy just because someone disagrees with ya.......get over it and believe as you want......I am not going to change my mind just because you call me names or a liar.
You tell him. NorCal! IMO, he's just a senile, bitter old man.

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#130 Dec 1, 2012
NorCal Native wrote:
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Exactly......so, your website is no more credible or a reliable source just because you want it to be......thanks for proving my point!!!
Funny thing is that unless I'm using an online database like Questia.......most of the stuff that one can find online is up for interpretation by the person who is using the source......like I stated, with the specific question I asked in my google search.......over 6 million sites come up and I don't know which is credible or not........but they do provide the information that disagrees with what you want to believe.
Maybe if you'd stop calling folks liars who disagree with ya, you might learn something..........I didn't earn a Masters degree by writing crap and calling folks a liar who disagree with my topic.......besides, I don't care when Jesus was born, but your posts certainly do get rather pissy just because someone disagrees with ya.......get over it and believe as you want......I am not going to change my mind just because you call me names or a liar.
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I see you are so ignorant that you think that quoting a random website maintained by anonymous persons should be considered as credible as an accredited major Christian university and historical writings by a noted Christian Jewish author? As I said you are clueless what constitues creadible, verifiable, historical evidence is. You think just because somebody, posts it on the internet somewhere it must be true.
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#131 Dec 1, 2012
NorCal Native wrote:
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Just because a book is on a library doesn't mean IT'S A CREDIBLE SOURCE......and really from a Christian College.........what a joke.....I guess the book I See Jesus must be credible to, right?
There are many books at college libraries........some are fiction, some aren't.......and only if the reader believes it is credible, which obviously you do......should matter, right?
Again, just because you don't agree with the sites I posted......doesn't mean they are not credible......it just means you don't happen to agree with them!!!
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Ever hear the term "peer reviewed?" Read some scholarly peer reviews dipstick. Scholarly books are accepted or rejected by being reiveiwed by experts in the field. But you are so stupid you think that a comic book should have the same credibility as a scholarly work by a noted scholar.
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#132 Dec 1, 2012
NorCal Native wrote:
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And you keep siting one source as some frucking gospel and it's his opinion.......regardless of what others may think......and I'm certain there are books that disagree with this author's assessment!!!
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How dense can one person be? Edersheim's work was based on historical evidence. Read the footnotes. But again you are so ignorant you think anonymous unsupported opinions posted somewhere online are just as credible as a peer reviewed historical work such as "The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah." You are free to follow any Jim Jones or David Koresh who comes along. You ae just that gullible.
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“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

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#133 Dec 1, 2012
tickedoffchic wrote:
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You tell him. NorCal! IMO, he's just a senile, bitter old man.
I would agree with ya that only their sources are credible.......our sources are just full of lies and nothing else......but ya know what......that's the beauty of knowledge!!!

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#134 Dec 1, 2012
Allen Richards wrote:
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How dense can one person be? Edersheim's work was based on historical evidence. Read the footnotes. But again you are so ignorant you think anonymous unsupported opinions posted somewhere online are just as credible as a peer reviewed historical work such as "The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah." You are free to follow any Jim Jones or David Koresh who comes along. You ae just that gullible.
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Right, and the other Christian sites that disagree with his evidence are not credible.......I know.....you keep repeating that.......yet, because other sites disagree with your site.......only your site is right......I got that many flipping posts ago......and that's just how you Christian fundies work........only what you believe is right........no need to go over this any more!!!!

Peace!

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Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#135 Dec 1, 2012
Allen Richards wrote:
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Ever hear the term "peer reviewed?" Read some scholarly peer reviews dipstick. Scholarly books are accepted or rejected by being reiveiwed by experts in the field. But you are so stupid you think that a comic book should have the same credibility as a scholarly work by a noted scholar.
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Yes, peer reviewed......look idiot, I do have a Masters degree and just because you think you know something doesn't mean others are stupid.......again, if 10 articles or books are written and peer reviewed, but they disagreed with each other........then what one's do you believe in.....ONLY THE ONES WHO SAY WHAT YOU AGREE WITH.......and all I'm saying is that just because a book has been peered reviewed doesn't mean it is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH OR GOSPEL.......because other books and authors will and do disagree!!!
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#136 Dec 2, 2012
NorCal Native wrote:
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We aren't discussing modern times.........are we?
You keep insisting that Jesus was born in December and he wasn't........not plausible or realistic.
If you ask the question, "Was Jesus Christ born on December 25th?"........you will get 6,120,000 results
Here's one:
http://www.ucg.org/bible-faq/when-was-jesus-c...
Here's another:
http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/was-jesus-...
and yet another:
http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php...
All of these Christian sites disagree with your assessment on the birth of Jesus Christ.......are they all wrong? or are you? How many more sites do you need before figuring it out that the Date may not be what you have been told?
See, that's the difference between us, I don't doubt Jesus was born, just not in December and if you believe the date in December, then it tells me that you believe in a religion that is based on a fallacy.
I don't follow the bible for the same reason I left formalized religion so many years ago.......to many things didn't add up or make sense!!!


So you got 6,120,000 hits and 6,119,900 are duplicates.The reason there are so many Christian sects is because they can not agree on scripture interpretation. Catholicism dates to the beginning of Christianity and says Jesus was born on Dec 25th which is probably what His mom told those that asked. Makes sense-Dec 25th it is.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#137 Dec 2, 2012
NorCal Native wrote:
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We aren't discussing modern times.........are we?
You keep insisting that Jesus was born in December and he wasn't........not plausible or realistic.
SHEEP IN THE FIELDS IN DECEMBER

First, sheep would have been found in the fields. It could have been a mild winter. The average December temperatures at Jerusalem are 45-59o F., comparable to Houston or San Francisco, but with less rain. The night temperatures are lower. Rainfall averages 3-4 inches, comparable to Athens or Rome, with occasional light snow. By the end of December the first grass can be sprouting from early rains. Poor shepherds would have had their flocks out to glean the first fodder from the rains. Also, semi-nomads will often leave a belt of grass un-grazed around permanent winter settlements during summer to provide winter fodder.2 Jewish shepherds may have practiced such in earlier days. The sheep would not necessarily have been kept under cover. Un-corralled sheep would have to be watched at night, whether at lambing, or any other time of the year. Sheep were brought in from the wilderness during the winter, and these flocks could be found in the area of Bethlehem/Jerusalem. The presence of flocks around Bethlehem may indeed indicate that it was winter. The Mishna records that cattle, including sheep, were around Jerusalem, including Bethlehem, year-round [Added Commentary: This passage does not specify any time of year but only the disposition of stray cattle/sheep found near Jerusalem.].3 Many of these animals were required for the daily sacrifices at the Temple, and they were always available. There also would be a large daily requirement for the inhabitants of Jerusalem.4 The presence of sheep in the fields around Bethlehem in the early evening of December 25, 5 BCE would be expected.

Added Comment: During Solomon's time his court daily consumed 100 sheep (1 Kings 4:23). The daily demand would have been greater from Herod's court and military, Temple sacrifices, and increased population. Jerusalem would have been a sheep magnet 12 months of the year, with increased demand during festivals.

http://doig.net/NTC09.htm

Remember the sheep were all wearing woolen hats, sweaters, leggings, etc. LOL!
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#138 Dec 2, 2012
Jesus born on Dec 25th

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Case closed.

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#139 Dec 2, 2012
tickedoffchic wrote:
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You tell him. NorCal! IMO, he's just a senile, bitter old man.
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Don't you wish PMS witch!

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#140 Dec 2, 2012
NorCal Native wrote:
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Yes, peer reviewed......look idiot, I do have a Masters degree and just because you think you know something doesn't mean others are stupid.......again, if 10 articles or books are written and peer reviewed, but they disagreed with each other........then what one's do you believe in.....ONLY THE ONES WHO SAY WHAT YOU AGREE WITH.......and all I'm saying is that just because a book has been peered reviewed doesn't mean it is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH OR GOSPEL.......because other books and authors will and do disagree!!!
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Well if you have a master's degree why don't you act like it? You keep arguing that undocumented articles by anonymous people should take precedence over a peer reviewed documented historical work. What kind of master's program teaches bulk wrap like that?
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If this, if that, maybe this, maybe that. How idiotic. Have you found any peer reviewed documented historical writings which contradict Edersheim? Since the answer is no why even bring this idiotic bulk wrap up?
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If you had found peer reviewed sources by scholars knowledgeable in the field then you might have an argument but all you have are random articles written by anonymous people with NO, ZERO, NONE credible, verifiable, historical evidence.

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#141 Dec 2, 2012
NorCal Native wrote:
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Right, and the other Christian sites that disagree with his evidence are not credible.......I know.....you keep repeating that.......yet, because other sites disagree with your site.......only your site is right......I got that many flipping posts ago......and that's just how you Christian fundies work........only what you believe is right........no need to go over this any more!!!!
Peace!
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RCC-bot lying about a master's degree! Would you take tax, legal, or medical advice from anonymous online sources which do not cite any credible evidence? Since the answer is no, why are you trying to cram supposed historical Christian information down my throat from anonymous online sources with no credible evidence?
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“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

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#142 Dec 2, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
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So you got 6,120,000 hits and 6,119,900 are duplicates.The reason there are so many Christian sects is because they can not agree on scripture interpretation. Catholicism dates to the beginning of Christianity and says Jesus was born on Dec 25th which is probably what His mom told those that asked. Makes sense-Dec 25th it is.
So, what makes the Catholic Church right? And every other Christian site, wrong?

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#143 Dec 2, 2012
Allen Richards wrote:
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RCC-bot lying about a master's degree! Would you take tax, legal, or medical advice from anonymous online sources which do not cite any credible evidence? Since the answer is no, why are you trying to cram supposed historical Christian information down my throat from anonymous online sources with no credible evidence?
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Sorry [email protected]....not lying about my Post Graduate Degree!!!

Besides, not every site I posted was anonymous!!!

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#144 Dec 2, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
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SHEEP IN THE FIELDS IN DECEMBER
First, sheep would have been found in the fields. It could have been a mild winter. The average December temperatures at Jerusalem are 45-59o F., comparable to Houston or San Francisco, but with less rain. The night temperatures are lower. Rainfall averages 3-4 inches, comparable to Athens or Rome, with occasional light snow. By the end of December the first grass can be sprouting from early rains. Poor shepherds would have had their flocks out to glean the first fodder from the rains. Also, semi-nomads will often leave a belt of grass un-grazed around permanent winter settlements during summer to provide winter fodder.2 Jewish shepherds may have practiced such in earlier days. The sheep would not necessarily have been kept under cover. Un-corralled sheep would have to be watched at night, whether at lambing, or any other time of the year. Sheep were brought in from the wilderness during the winter, and these flocks could be found in the area of Bethlehem/Jerusalem. The presence of flocks around Bethlehem may indeed indicate that it was winter. The Mishna records that cattle, including sheep, were around Jerusalem, including Bethlehem, year-round [Added Commentary: This passage does not specify any time of year but only the disposition of stray cattle/sheep found near Jerusalem.].3 Many of these animals were required for the daily sacrifices at the Temple, and they were always available. There also would be a large daily requirement for the inhabitants of Jerusalem.4 The presence of sheep in the fields around Bethlehem in the early evening of December 25, 5 BCE would be expected.
Added Comment: During Solomon's time his court daily consumed 100 sheep (1 Kings 4:23). The daily demand would have been greater from Herod's court and military, Temple sacrifices, and increased population. Jerusalem would have been a sheep magnet 12 months of the year, with increased demand during festivals.
http://doig.net/NTC09.htm
Remember the sheep were all wearing woolen hats, sweaters, leggings, etc. LOL!
You really don't need to copy and paste from the site......just provide a link.......funny how my sites aren't credible, but yours and Allen's are......lol!!!

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

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#145 Dec 2, 2012
Allen Richards wrote:
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Well if you have a master's degree why don't you act like it? You keep arguing that undocumented articles by anonymous people should take precedence over a peer reviewed documented historical work. What kind of master's program teaches bulk wrap like that?
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If this, if that, maybe this, maybe that. How idiotic. Have you found any peer reviewed documented historical writings which contradict Edersheim? Since the answer is no why even bring this idiotic bulk wrap up?
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If you had found peer reviewed sources by scholars knowledgeable in the field then you might have an argument but all you have are random articles written by anonymous people with NO, ZERO, NONE credible, verifiable, historical evidence.
I'm not arguing about anything except the date of Jesus's birth......you and the other idiot keep giving your sites and claiming they are credible, but telling me that the sites I post aren't.......and frankly, it's a whatever.......I'm not going to continue to engage with idiots who have decide that only their sources are credible, insult my education and call people names........have a good day!!!

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#146 Dec 2, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
Jesus born on Dec 25th
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =MnlE6A_xr08XX&feature=rel ated
Case closed.
No, it certainly isn't "closed". You don't get to decide when Jesus was born any more than I do.

The Bible offers few clues: Celebrations of Jesus’ Nativity are not mentioned in the Gospels or Acts; the date is not given, not even the time of year. The biblical reference to shepherds tending their flocks at night when they hear the news of Jesus’ birth (Luke 2:8) might suggest the spring lambing season; in the cold month of December, on the other hand, sheep might well have been corralled. Yet most scholars would urge caution about extracting such a precise but incidental detail from a narrative whose focus is theological rather than calendrical.

http://www.bib-arch.org/e-features/christmas....

Was Jesus born on December 25, or in December at all? Although it’s not impossible, it seems unlikely. The Bible does not specify a date or month. One problem with December is that it would be unusual for shepherds to be “abiding in the field” at this cold time of year when fields were unproductive. The normal practice was to keep the flocks in the fields from Spring to Autumn. Also, winter would likely be an especially difficult time for pregnant Mary to travel the long distance from Nazareth to Bethlehem (70 miles).

“A more probable time would be late September, the time of the annual Feast of Tabernacles, when such travel was commonly accepted. Thus, it is rather commonly believed (though not certain) that Jesus’ birth was around the last of September. The conception of Christ, however, may have taken place in late December of the previous year. Our Christmas celebration may well be recognized as an honored observation of the incarnation of ‘the Word made flesh’(John 1:14).”

http://www.christiananswers.net/christmas/myt...

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