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Thinking

Farnham, UK

#290 Dec 7, 2012
So you haven't read any of his biology books? They're very good.
downhill246 wrote:
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I have read parts of his God Delusion and books that that take his God Delusion to task.
The latter include
God Is no Delusion by Thomas Crean
Answering the new Atheism by Scott Hahn and Benjamin Wiker
and
The Dawkins Delusion? by Alister McGrath and Joanna McGrath.
Michael Ruse references the last book when he said
"The God Delusion makes me embarrassed to be an atheist, and the McGraths show why."
Thinking

Farnham, UK

#291 Dec 7, 2012
"Given the evidence of avoidable suffering, believing in an all powerful compassionate god is moronic"

- Bertie Blunt
downhill246 wrote:
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I believe Dawkins is a brilliant scientist, an expert in his field, but a lousy theologian.
"Scientists, especially when they leave the particular field in which they have specialized, are just as ordinary, pig-headed and unreasonable as anybody else, and their unusually high intelligence only makes their prejudices all the more dangerous"
University of London Professor of Psychology H.J. Eysenck

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#292 Dec 7, 2012
The Vatican was built upon the grounds previously devoted to the worship of Mithra (600 B.C.). The Orthodox Christian hierarchy is nearly identical to the Mithraic version. Virtually all of the elements of Orthodox Christian rituals, from miter, wafer, water baptism, alter, and doxology, were adopted from the Mithra and earlier pagan mystery religions. The religion of Mithra preceded Christianity by roughly six hundred years. Mithraic worship at one time covered a large portion of the ancient world. It flourished as late as the second century. The Messianic idea originated in ancient Persia and this is where the Jewish and Christian concepts of a Savior came from. Mithra, as the sun god of ancient Persia, had the following karmic similarities with Jesus:

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US 62 @ US 81

#293 Dec 7, 2012
swerty wrote:
The Vatican was built upon the grounds previously devoted to the worship of Mithra (600 B.C.). The Orthodox Christian hierarchy is nearly identical to the Mithraic version. Virtually all of the elements of Orthodox Christian rituals, from miter, wafer, water baptism, alter, and doxology, were adopted from the Mithra and earlier pagan mystery religions. The religion of Mithra preceded Christianity by roughly six hundred years. Mithraic worship at one time covered a large portion of the ancient world. It flourished as late as the second century. The Messianic idea originated in ancient Persia and this is where the Jewish and Christian concepts of a Savior came from. Mithra, as the sun god of ancient Persia, had the following karmic similarities with Jesus:
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This is all anti-Catholic garbage!
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A form of Mithraism did exist in Persia a few hundred years BC but the only similarity btween that and the form that existed in Rome beginning in the second century AD was the name.
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Ther is virtually nothing known about the Roman brand of Mithraism because they left no writings. The only evidence left from Mithraism were statues and wall paintings. Some 19th century scholars speculated on the practices of Mithraism by "interpreting" the statues and paintings.
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Modern scholarship has refuted most of the previous speculation.
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"(1) Our knowledge regarding Mithraism is very imperfect; some 600 brief inscriptions, mostly dedicatory, some 300 often fragmentary, exiguous, almost identical monuments, a few casual references in the Fathers or Acts of the Martyrs, and a brief polemic against Mithraism which the Armenian Eznig about 450 probably copied from Theodore of Mopsuestia (d. 428) who lived when Mithraism was almost a thing of the past — these are our only sources, unless we include the Avesta in which Mithra is indeed mentioned, but which cannot be an authority for Roman Mithraism with which Christianity is compared. Our knowledge is mostly ingenious guess-work; of the real inner working of Mithraism and the sense in which it was understood by those who professed it at the advent of Christianity, we know nothing.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10402a.htm
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So all that about, "miter, wafer, water baptism, alter, and doxology, etc" being copied from Mithraism is garbage.
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#294 Dec 7, 2012
NorCal Native wrote:
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Courts have also ruled against churches intervening in cases regarding the rights of Gays and Lesbians......courts have ruled in favor of individual rights, even rights you don't agree with......frankly, if people just learned to respect other's values and not try to tell them how they should believe and accept that we can all believe differently and that doesn't make one right and one wrong........maybe just maybe, the world might just be a little bit better......but see, some can't accept that others are allowed to believe differently.......I'm okay with your beliefs, it is you that have the problem with MY BELIEFS!!!
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If you truly believe that then why are you here almost on a daily basis attacking Christianty? Don't Christians have "individual rights, even rights you don't agree with?"

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#295 Dec 7, 2012
Thinking wrote:
"Given the evidence of avoidable suffering, believing in an all powerful compassionate god is moronic"
- Bertie Blunt
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"Bertie blunt" is a mountain climbing site in Sierra eastside California.
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Anonymous

Vallejo, CA

#296 Dec 7, 2012
swerty wrote:
The Vatican was built upon the grounds previously devoted to the worship of Mithra (600 B.C.). The Orthodox Christian hierarchy is nearly identical to the Mithraic version. Virtually all of the elements of Orthodox Christian rituals, from miter, wafer, water baptism, alter, and doxology, were adopted from the Mithra and earlier pagan mystery religions. The religion of Mithra preceded Christianity by roughly six hundred years. Mithraic worship at one time covered a large portion of the ancient world. It flourished as late as the second century. The Messianic idea originated in ancient Persia and this is where the Jewish and Christian concepts of a Savior came from. Mithra, as the sun god of ancient Persia, had the following karmic similarities with Jesus:
Vatican Opens Pagan Tombs Under St. Peter's
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,358641,00...

The Vatican unveiled the largest and most luxurious of the pagan tombs in the necropolis under St. Peter's Basilica on Tuesday after nearly a year of restoration work. A family of former slaves built the Valeri Mausoleum during the second half of the second century, when Emperor Marcus Aurelius ruled. It is one of 22 pagan tombs in the grottoes under the basilica. The newly restored tomb was shown to media Tuesday. Visitors can have a guided tour of the grottoes by appointment. Emperor Constantine, a convert to Christianity, had the pagan burial grounds covered up in the fourth century so the basilica could be built over the site holding St. Peter's tomb.

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#297 Dec 7, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
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Vatican Opens Pagan Tombs Under St. Peter's
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,358641,00...
The Vatican unveiled the largest and most luxurious of the pagan tombs in the necropolis under St. Peter's Basilica on Tuesday after nearly a year of restoration work. A family of former slaves built the Valeri Mausoleum during the second half of the second century, when Emperor Marcus Aurelius ruled. It is one of 22 pagan tombs in the grottoes under the basilica. The newly restored tomb was shown to media Tuesday. Visitors can have a guided tour of the grottoes by appointment. Emperor Constantine, a convert to Christianity, had the pagan burial grounds covered up in the fourth century so the basilica could be built over the site holding St. Peter's tomb.
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As the evidence shows the basilica grounds were a second century tomb the Vatican was NOT built upon the "grounds previously devoted to the worship of Mithra (600 B.C.)."
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Thinking

Farnham, UK

#298 Dec 7, 2012
He also has a famous parrot.
Allen Richards wrote:
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"Bertie blunt" is a mountain climbing site in Sierra eastside California.
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“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#299 Dec 7, 2012
Allen Richards wrote:
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If you truly believe that then why are you here almost on a daily basis attacking Christianty? Don't Christians have "individual rights, even rights you don't agree with?"
You take what I say and think it's an attack on Christianity and it's not, but I do find that folks who are Christians tend to believe that they're way is the only way and others are wrong if they disagree........and that's why I'm here........that and because I can be:-)

At least I'm not spelling Christianity wrong......lol!!!

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#300 Dec 7, 2012
It is well known that the lives of Jesus, Osiris, Mithras, Attis, Dionysus, and Krishna, have many similarities. Most strikingly, each of their birthdays is celebrated at or 3 days following the winter solstice. Many theorize this happened because the different religions borrowed from one another. Others point to the fact that each of these deities was closely associated with the sun, and therefore were merely representing the astrological worship of the sun to simple-minded sun worshippers, waiting for their crops to grow etc.
Why Christmas is Celebrated on the 25th of December, 3 Days After the Winter Solstice
The word solstice literally means “sun stands still.” At the winter solstice, the sun for the first time will begin to increase – both lengthening the amount of daylight and progressing north along the horizon after having reached its most southerly point. For 3 days however, the sun does not visibly appear to move northward along the horizon, thus appearing to “stand still” in its progression. In correlation, we find the winter solstice celebrated as the birth of the sun on the winter solstice on the 22nd of December (in the northern hemisphere), and the divine savior 3 days later on the 25th of December. Jesus, Horus, Krishna, Mithras, Dionysus, etc., are all said to have been born on the 25th of December.
Allen Richards wrote:
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As the evidence shows the basilica grounds were a second century tomb the Vatican was NOT built upon the "grounds previously devoted to the worship of Mithra (600 B.C.)."
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Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#301 Dec 7, 2012
Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions. The ancient world was rife with tales of virgin births, miracle-working saviors, tripartite gods, gods taking human form, gods arising from the dead, heavens and hells, and days of judgment. In addition to the myths, many of the ceremonies of ancient religions also match those of that syncretic latecomer, Christianity. To cite but one example (there are many others), consider Mithraism, a Persian religion predating Christianity by centuries. Mithra, the savior of the Mithraic religion and a god who took human form, was born of a virgin; he belonged to the holy trinity and was a link between heaven and Earth; and he ascended into heaven after his death. His followers believed in heaven and hell, looked forward to a day of judgment, and referred to Mithra as "the Light of the World." They also practiced baptism (for purification purposes) and ritual cannibalism—the eating of bread and the drinking of wine to symbolize the eating and drinking of the god’s body and blood. Given all this, Mithra’s birthday should come as no surprise: December 25th; this event was, of course, celebrated by Mithra’s followers at midnight.

Mithraism is but the most striking example of the appearance of these myths and ceremonies prior to the advent of Christianity. They appear—in more scattered form—in many other pre-Christian religions.
Allen Richards wrote:
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If you truly believe that then why are you here almost on a daily basis attacking Christianty? Don't Christians have "individual rights, even rights you don't agree with?"

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

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MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#302 Dec 7, 2012
swerty wrote:
Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions. The ancient world was rife with tales of virgin births, miracle-working saviors, tripartite gods, gods taking human form, gods arising from the dead, heavens and hells, and days of judgment. In addition to the myths, many of the ceremonies of ancient religions also match those of that syncretic latecomer, Christianity. To cite but one example (there are many others), consider Mithraism, a Persian religion predating Christianity by centuries. Mithra, the savior of the Mithraic religion and a god who took human form, was born of a virgin; he belonged to the holy trinity and was a link between heaven and Earth; and he ascended into heaven after his death. His followers believed in heaven and hell, looked forward to a day of judgment, and referred to Mithra as "the Light of the World." They also practiced baptism (for purification purposes) and ritual cannibalism—the eating of bread and the drinking of wine to symbolize the eating and drinking of the god’s body and blood. Given all this, Mithra’s birthday should come as no surprise: December 25th; this event was, of course, celebrated by Mithra’s followers at midnight.
Mithraism is but the most striking example of the appearance of these myths and ceremonies prior to the advent of Christianity. They appear—in more scattered form—in many other pre-Christian religions.
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Ya know......Richard ain't gonna like this........lol!!!

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#303 Dec 7, 2012
lol good the king of the bible botherers, a book written in bronze age, by men who wrote the earth was flat
NorCal Native wrote:
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Ya know......Richard ain't gonna like this........lol!!!

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

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MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#304 Dec 7, 2012
swerty wrote:
lol good the king of the bible botherers, a book written in bronze age, by men who wrote the earth was flat<quoted text>
Exactly......and they don't get it......lol!!!

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#305 Dec 7, 2012
swerty wrote:
lol good the king of the bible botherers, a book written in bronze age, by men who wrote the earth was flat<quoted text>
The bible clearly states the earth is round. Quit lying and taking verses out of context. A circle is round, there's your lesson for the day.

Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

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#306 Dec 7, 2012
swerty wrote:
It is well known that the lives of Jesus, Osiris, Mithras, Attis, Dionysus, and Krishna, have many similarities. Most strikingly, each of their birthdays is celebrated at or 3 days following the winter solstice. Many theorize this happened because the different religions borrowed from one another.
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Bulk wrap. There is NO. ZERO, NONE credible, verifiable, historical evidence when or where Mithras was born or the circumstance.
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Others point to the fact that each of these deities was closely associated with the sun, and therefore were merely representing the astrological worship of the sun to simple-minded sun worshippers, waiting for their crops to grow etc.
Why Christmas is Celebrated on the 25th of December, 3 Days After the Winter Solstice
The word solstice literally means “sun stands still.” At the winter solstice, the sun for the first time will begin to increase – both lengthening the amount of daylight and progressing north along the horizon after having reached its most southerly point. For 3 days however, the sun does not visibly appear to move northward along the horizon, thus appearing to “stand still” in its progression. In correlation, we find the winter solstice celebrated as the birth of the sun on the winter solstice on the 22nd of December (in the northern hemisphere), and the divine savior 3 days later on the 25th of December. Jesus, Horus, Krishna, Mithras, Dionysus, etc., are all said to have been born on the 25th of December.
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Bulk wrap! NO, ZERO, NONE credible, verifiable, historical evidence that Horus, Krishna,..., or Dionysus were born at the winter solstice, December 25 or any other date.
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Since: Mar 11

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#307 Dec 7, 2012
swerty wrote:
Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other ancient religions. The ancient world was rife with tales of virgin births, miracle-working saviors, tripartite gods, gods taking human form, gods arising from the dead, heavens and hells, and days of judgment. In addition to the myths, many of the ceremonies of ancient religions also match those of that syncretic latecomer, Christianity. To cite but one example (there are many others), consider Mithraism, a Persian religion predating Christianity by centuries. Mithra, the savior of the Mithraic religion and a god who took human form, was born of a virgin; he belonged to the holy trinity and was a link between heaven and Earth; and he ascended into heaven after his death. His followers believed in heaven and hell, looked forward to a day of judgment, and referred to Mithra as "the Light of the World." They also practiced baptism (for purification purposes) and ritual cannibalism—the eating of bread and the drinking of wine to symbolize the eating and drinking of the god’s body and blood. Given all this, Mithra’s birthday should come as no surprise: December 25th; this event was, of course, celebrated by Mithra’s followers at midnight.
Mithraism is but the most striking example of the appearance of these myths and ceremonies prior to the advent of Christianity. They appear—in more scattered form—in many other pre-Christian religions.
<quoted text>
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Lying, brainless bulk wrap. There is NO, ZERO, NONE credible, verifiable, historical evidence for any of this.
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Since: Mar 11

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#308 Dec 7, 2012
NorCal Native wrote:
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You take what I say and think it's an attack on Christianity and it's not, but I do find that folks who are Christians tend to believe that they're way is the only way and others are wrong if they disagree........and that's why I'm here........that and because I can be:-)
At least I'm not spelling Christianity wrong......lol!!!
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Is that your best shot? B*tching about a typo? When youk criticize Christianity, you are attacking it. If you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem. If you think there is something that needs fixing in Christianity, then get off of your lazy butt and go to the church and start working on fixing it. Posting complaints and accusations here is not the place.
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#309 Dec 7, 2012
sweaty wrote:
lol good the king of the bible botherers, a book written in bronze age, by men who wrote the earth was flat.
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Tell us which verse in the Bible says the earth is flat?
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