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Do Science and the Bible contradict each others?

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Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#1 Jan 19, 2013
If not, why?

If so, why did God create man with minds to figure out the world in scientific ways?

“THE HEAT IS ON”

Since: Apr 12

Satan IS in "The Church"

#2 Jan 19, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
If not, why?
If so, why did God create man with minds to figure out the world in scientific ways?
depends whose version of science. as with religion, beliefs vary drastically even among non-religion. science by design incorporates the Bible, or vice versa.

Science By Design was established in recognition that above all, God is the Creator of everything, and as part of His Creation, He delighted and purposed to incorporate a multitude of exciting sciences to help us learn more about Him, His power, and His glory. Today, science education is taught from various worldviews, most of which attempt to diminish God's role as Creator of the entire universe, the heavens and the earth, and every living creature and thing within it. By contrast, the courses offered through Science By Design are taught from a Christian worldview and represent a fascinating cross section of sciences that help build students' knowledge and, more importantly, interest in learning about various sciences ranging from Biology, Human Anatomy, and Physical Science to Zoology and more!

"Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made." John 1:3

http://www.scienceeducationbydesign.com/

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

UK

#3 Jan 19, 2013
Hell Sucks wrote:
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depends whose version of science. as with religion, beliefs vary drastically even among non-religion. science by design incorporates the Bible, or vice versa.
Science By Design was established in recognition that above all, God is the Creator of everything, and as part of His Creation, He delighted and purposed to incorporate a multitude of exciting sciences to help us learn more about Him, His power, and His glory. Today, science education is taught from various worldviews, most of which attempt to diminish God's role as Creator of the entire universe, the heavens and the earth, and every living creature and thing within it. By contrast, the courses offered through Science By Design are taught from a Christian worldview and represent a fascinating cross section of sciences that help build students' knowledge and, more importantly, interest in learning about various sciences ranging from Biology, Human Anatomy, and Physical Science to Zoology and more!
"Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made." John 1:3
http://www.scienceeducationbydesign.com/
Creationist bollocks. Not science.
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#4 Jan 19, 2013
Hell Sucks wrote:
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depends whose version of science. as with religion, beliefs vary drastically even among non-religion. science by design incorporates the Bible, or vice versa.
Science By Design was established in recognition that above all, God is the Creator of everything, and as part of His Creation, He delighted and purposed to incorporate a multitude of exciting sciences to help us learn more about Him, His power, and His glory. Today, science education is taught from various worldviews, most of which attempt to diminish God's role as Creator of the entire universe, the heavens and the earth, and every living creature and thing within it. By contrast, the courses offered through Science By Design are taught from a Christian worldview and represent a fascinating cross section of sciences that help build students' knowledge and, more importantly, interest in learning about various sciences ranging from Biology, Human Anatomy, and Physical Science to Zoology and more!
"Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made." John 1:3
http://www.scienceeducationbydesign.com/
Science cant nor should it make any claims to a Creator. Science doesnt speak about a Creator because it cant...it cant find one, it cant test for one, it cant make it a factor in its work...so by that alone your assessment is weak and without merit...

Science when taught properly should not be commenting on matters of Faith. Any such thing belongs in a religion or philosophy class or a Church/temple...not in Science classes.

“THE HEAT IS ON”

Since: Apr 12

Satan IS in "The Church"

#5 Jan 19, 2013
Roland_Deschain wrote:
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Creationist bollocks. Not science.
you silly blinded mortal. we ARE creation. geesh.

Intelligent design (ID) is a form of creationism promulgated by the Discovery Institute, a politically conservative think tank. The Institute defines it as the proposition that "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection."[1][2] It is a contemporary adaptation of the traditional teleological argument for the existence of God, presented by its advocates as "an evidence-based scientific theory about life's origins" rather than "a religious-based idea".[3] All the leading proponents of intelligent design are associated with the Discovery Institute [n 1][4] and believe the designer to be the Christian deity.[n 2]

Scientific acceptance of Intelligent Design would require redefining science to allow supernatural explanations of observed phenomena, an approach its proponents describe as theistic realism or theistic science. It puts forth a number of arguments in support of the existence of a designer, the most prominent of which are irreducible complexity and specified complexity.[5] The scientific community rejects the extension of science to include supernatural explanations in favor of continued acceptance of methodological naturalism,[n 3][n 4][6][7] and has rejected both irreducible complexity and specified complexity for a wide range of conceptual and factual flaws.[8][9][10][11] Intelligent design is viewed as a pseudoscience by the scientific community, because it lacks empirical support, offers no tenable hypotheses, and aims to describe natural history in terms of scientifically untestable supernatural causes.

Intelligent design was developed by a group of American creationists who revised their argument in the creation–evolution controversy to circumvent court rulings such as the United States Supreme Court's Edwards v. Aguillard decision, which barred the teaching of "Creation Science" in public schools on the grounds of breaching the separation of church and state.[12][n 5][13] The first publication of the phrase "intelligent design" in its present use as an alternative term for creationism was in Of Pandas and People, a 1989 textbook intended for high-school biology classes.[14][15] From the mid-1990s, intelligent design proponents were supported by the Discovery Institute, which, together with its Center for Science and Culture, planned and funded the "intelligent design movement".[16][n 1] They advocated inclusion of intelligent design in public school biology curricula, leading to the 2005 Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District trial, where U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III ruled that intelligent design is not science, that it "cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents", and that the school district's promotion of it therefore violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.[17]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_Desi...

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

UK

#7 Jan 19, 2013
Hell Sucks wrote:
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you silly blinded mortal. we ARE creation. geesh.
"Do gods exist? Do supernatural entities intervene in human affairs? These questions may be important, but science won't help you answer them. Questions that deal with supernatural explanations are, by definition, beyond the realm of nature — and hence, also beyond the realm of what can be studied by science. For many, such questions are matters of personal faith and spirituality."

http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/0_0_0/what...

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Since: Apr 12

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#8 Jan 19, 2013
Punisher wrote:
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Science cant nor should it make any claims to a Creator. Science doesnt speak about a Creator because it cant...it cant find one, it cant test for one, it cant make it a factor in its work...so by that alone your assessment is weak and without merit...
Science when taught properly should not be commenting on matters of Faith. Any such thing belongs in a religion or philosophy class or a Church/temple...not in Science classes.
what is taught in non-public schools is the choice of those who attend. there is no reason classes cannot be offered in public schools in addition to the secular science. the key word is choice or optional. your way is NOT the hiway.
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#6 Jan 19, 2013
Hell Sucks wrote:
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depends whose version of science. as with religion, beliefs vary drastically even among non-religion. science by design incorporates the Bible, or vice versa.
Science By Design was established in recognition that above all, God is the Creator of everything, and as part of His Creation, He delighted and purposed to incorporate a multitude of exciting sciences to help us learn more about Him, His power, and His glory. Today, science education is taught from various worldviews, most of which attempt to diminish God's role as Creator of the entire universe, the heavens and the earth, and every living creature and thing within it. By contrast, the courses offered through Science By Design are taught from a Christian worldview and represent a fascinating cross section of sciences that help build students' knowledge and, more importantly, interest in learning about various sciences ranging from Biology, Human Anatomy, and Physical Science to Zoology and more!
"Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made." John 1:3
http://www.scienceeducationbydesign.com/
science by Design was created to deal with the realities that Xtianity cant explain, its also meant to WEDGE thru force a Creator-factor where its not applicable.
Frank

Greenville, NC

#9 Jan 19, 2013
The Bible isn't a science book.
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#10 Jan 19, 2013
Hell Sucks wrote:
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what is taught in non-public schools is the choice of those who attend. there is no reason classes cannot be offered in public schools in addition to the secular science. the key word is choice or optional. your way is NOT the hiway.
These other classes are offered in some public schools...not all of course, as many school boards and districts cant afford to offer such things...

The point remains, teach matters of Faith and Religion in Religious and/or philosophy classes, not SCIENCE. "Keep your religion out my science class, and we'll keep science out of your Churches.

But we also know Xtians wont like it when other Religious Beliefs are taught, and given equal time...and we also know that if the class is taught by a Fundy leaning Xtian they will propagandize and outright lie about other faiths - while propping up their own.

And whats taught in non-public schools is NOT the choice of those who attend. The students dont choose the curriculum options...the school and the State school boards do that...

“THE HEAT IS ON”

Since: Apr 12

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#11 Jan 19, 2013
Roland_Deschain wrote:
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"Do gods exist? Do supernatural entities intervene in human affairs? These questions may be important, but science won't help you answer them. Questions that deal with supernatural explanations are, by definition, beyond the realm of nature — and hence, also beyond the realm of what can be studied by science. For many, such questions are matters of personal faith and spirituality."
http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/0_0_0/what...
i agree with that. but there is a way to commingle science and the creator. we certainly can believe in a creator and still believe in science, right?

;*:*;

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Since: Apr 12

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#12 Jan 19, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>science by Design was created to deal with the realities that Xtianity cant explain, its also meant to WEDGE thru force a Creator-factor where its not applicable.
why isn't it applicable? you're here aren't you?

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#13 Jan 19, 2013
Frank wrote:
The Bible isn't a science book.
actually it is. one of the earlier science books.

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Since: Apr 12

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#14 Jan 19, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>These other classes are offered in some public schools...not all of course, as many school boards and districts cant afford to offer such things...
The point remains, teach matters of Faith and Religion in Religious and/or philosophy classes, not SCIENCE. "Keep your religion out my science class, and we'll keep science out of your Churches.
But we also know Xtians wont like it when other Religious Beliefs are taught, and given equal time...and we also know that if the class is taught by a Fundy leaning Xtian they will propagandize and outright lie about other faiths - while propping up their own.
And whats taught in non-public schools is NOT the choice of those who attend. The students dont choose the curriculum options...the school and the State school boards do that...
i don't believe in forcing religion of any sort in public schools. i think various forms should be available as elective classes for those that have that interest. i've never believed in force-feeding anything. However, creation by a creator has to be included along with other creation beliefs.

as far as private schools or home-schooling, that's up to whatever meets the legal criteria and those that have chosen to attend or have been chosen for the minors by their parents.

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Since: Apr 12

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#15 Jan 19, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>science by Design was created to deal with the realities that Xtianity cant explain, its also meant to WEDGE thru force a Creator-factor where its not applicable.
During recent years there has been a remarkable revolution! For decades, theologians had resisted evolutionary scenarios while scientists promoted them. Today, however, the tables are turned. Any number of theologians are pushing "eons" while scientists are abandoning them!

Based on the best of what science has to offer, design theorists have shown that natural processes cannot account for the realities of the universe. Given the arguments of Denton, Behe, Johnson, Dembski, and an army of creationists, evolutionary biologists are on the run and their cosmological cousins are scattered. Since a reasonable, testable case has been made for the supernatural origin of life, all other areas are now open to the six day view of creation, including cosmic, geophysical, and human origins.

But here is the problem: The design movement is concerned with intelligence, information, and pathways, not creative causes per se. Presupposing neither God nor miracles, it takes no position on how life arose. Some adherents even grant a role to the evolutionary engine posited by Darwin, so it is no surprise that the ID movement stumbles at "the way, the truth, and the life."

Yet, despite these deficiencies, evolutionists are reeling. At the same time, evolutionary theists are sticking with their compromises, seemingly covering their tracks and looking for exits. Creationists, however, insist that God made everything supernaturally (from scratch), based on hermeneutics, Hubble, DNA, etc.

The collapse of Darwinism may elevate the discussion (and the spirit), but that is not sufficient. At stake are the sufficiency and authority of God's Word - and his attributes - for when people build on partial premises, they are no longer seeking Truth. Christians should therefore be formulating a biblically based model, beyond intelligent design, demonstrating how special creation fits best with the God of the Bible. Failing this, naturalism, though clearly brain-dead, will be resurrected.

The bottom line? Science will never destroy Genesis, but the challenge is this: Just as it took generations to ignite Darwinism, it takes time to reinstate Genesis. Of course, we can continue to beat a dead horse to "death", but there comes a time when we must find a new colt and ride it, meaning that we must abandon sloppy science and irresponsible theology. Also, Christians must broaden the debate all the way from opinion and tolerance to truth and light.

http://www.muldermel.com/book.html
Rocy

Ashburn, VA

#16 Jan 19, 2013
Bible is false oppose evolution universe
Frank

Greenville, NC

#17 Jan 19, 2013
Hell Sucks wrote:
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actually it is. one of the earlier science books.
I'm actually a believer and think that anyone whom holds the bible to a be a science book is stupid. But of course we all have our opinions.

I view the bible as something that roughly reveals G-d's plan to humanity. Everything else, including the study of creation, is left to us to use our G-d given brains to figure out.

Shalom

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

UK

#18 Jan 19, 2013
Hell Sucks wrote:
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i agree with that.
Really?
Hell Sucks wrote:
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but there is a way to commingle science and the creator.
No.

"Science focuses exclusively on the natural world, and does not deal with supernatural explanations."

http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/intro_01
Hell Sucks wrote:
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we certainly can believe in a creator and still believe in science, right?
IMHO if someone believes in a supernatural entity it would be extremely difficult for them to fully accept science as being the best tool we have for understanding the world around us.
Frank

Greenville, NC

#19 Jan 19, 2013
"Supernatural" events are perfectly natural for G-d whom created the universe---I would think that He/it/whatever has the ability to manipulate the laws which He created to govern the Universe.

Sorta like a video game creator--the game operates in a certain fashion however the guy that wrote it can--if he desires--go in and make things happen that wouldn't normally occur...because he know's how to.

So while G-d is capable of doing whatever He wants, things which appear to be "super natural" to we petty humans, science remains the best--the only way--by which we can figure anything out about the world around us.

Shalom

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

UK

#20 Jan 19, 2013
Frank wrote:
"Supernatural" events are perfectly natural for G-d whom created the universe---I would think that He/it/whatever has the ability to manipulate the laws which He created to govern the Universe.
Sorta like a video game creator--the game operates in a certain fashion however the guy that wrote it can--if he desires--go in and make things happen that wouldn't normally occur...because he know's how to.
So while G-d is capable of doing whatever He wants, things which appear to be "super natural" to we petty humans, science remains the best--the only way--by which we can figure anything out about the world around us.
Shalom
AFAIAC saying "goddidit" does not help us understand anything. It's just a cop-out. What you are really saying is "I don't know" followed by "but I do know".

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