"Holy Mary, ... Mother of (???) ... Y...

"Holy Mary, ... Mother of (???) ... YE GODS!!!

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Waltham, MA

#4 Apr 14, 2013
Thanks for sharing.

Or not.

Bronxville, NY

#6 Apr 14, 2013
So since the Protys base nearly all their own beliefs on the Roman Church and the Eastern Churches early theology and doctrinal developments - they are as guilty. Plus they added their own priestly script-twists, chicanery, armed-force and other coercions to the mix.

Making the whole ball of wax nothing but human made, human sourced and nothing but a sick means to try to settle the unsettled, and control beliefs and thoughts thru the ancient trick of angry Gods seeking worship and all manner of sacrifices being made to them to appease their lusts.

Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox...whatever - its all a load of made-up shyte.

Waltham, MA

#8 Apr 14, 2013
Bravo. We've all read Joseph Campbell. In the end, you need to believe something. Fairytales and legends hold their own truth. I'm comfy with not having the answers, but a lot of people aren't. Leave them alone unless you can provide a substitute for their beliefs. Knocking the pins out isn't enough.

United States

#10 Apr 14, 2013
StaccatS wrote:
So we have been dished-up the incense-smelly potion which teaches the Roman Catholic dogma that the veneration of the Blessed Virgin Mary (based upon the incarnation of the Son of God through Mary) signifies her honor as the "Mother of God." From the Council of Ephesus in 431, which dogmatized this belief, to the Second Vatican Council and Pope John Paul's encyclical Redemptoris Mater, the Virgin Mary has been venerated not only as 'Mother of God" but also as the "Mother of the Church" and the whole "Universe", as well.
It took some 300 years or so from the Golgotha incident for a Mariology cult to take hold. In the early part of the 3rd century, Hippolytus recorded the first liturgical reference to the Virgin Mary, as part of the ordination rite of a bishop. Marian feasts appeared in the 4th century, and the feast of the "Memory of Mary, Mother of God" was celebrated on August 15 in Jerusalem by the year 350.
Throughout the centuries, Catholics have viewed the Virgin Mary from a multitude of perspectives, usually based upon cultural preferences of events taking place at specific points in history.
An example of the cultural adaptation of perspective include the view of the Virgin Mary as a mother with humility (rather than a heavenly queen) as the Franciscans began to preach in China, and its similarity to local Chinese motherly and merciful figure of Kuanyin, which was much admired in south China.
Another example is the Saint Juan Diego's account of the appearance of the Virgin of Guadalupe in 1531 as a tanned Aztec princess who spoke in his local Nahuatl language. The clothing of the Virgin of Guadalupe image has been identified as that of an Aztec princess. Others view the Virgin Mary as a "miracle worker" for many centuries and is still worshipped as such by many Catholics today.
Apart from the title of Mother of God, which holds Mary as Theotokos, two specific doctrines relate to the birth of Jesus and the virginity of Mary. Since the 4th century, Roman Catholics have believed in the Virgin birth of Jesus being miraculously conceived through the action of the Holy Spirit while Mary remained a virgin. This was decided at the First Council of Nicaea in 325. Going beyond the virgin birth of Jesus, the doctrine of Perpetual virginity of Mary holds that before giving birth to Jesus and even thereafter Mary remained a virgin all her life.(Dating back to the Council of Constantinople, 533).
Two separate doctrines address the Virgin Mary's conception and death. The doctrine of Immaculate Conception states that Mary was conceived without original sin, namely that she was filled with grace from the very moment of her conception in her mother's womb.
The Immaculate Conception was proclaimed a dogma Ex Cathedra by Pope Pius IX in 1854, as the first definitive exercise of papal infallibility. The dogma of the Assumption of Mary states that she was assumed into Heaven body and soul. This was also defined by Pope Pius XII in 1950.
Lumen Gentium, the dogmatic constitution derived from Vatican II in 1964, declared that "the Lord had consecrated Mary as Queen of the universe".
Encyclopedia of Catholicism by Frank K. Flinn, J. Gordon Melton 2007 ISBN 0-8160-5455-X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blessed_Virgin_M... (Roman_Catholic)
Did I misunderstand or does this say Immaculate conception wasn't doctrine until 1854? I also thought Jesus was the only man to ever go to heaven, is this saying Mary went to heaven as of 1950. Where was Mary before 1950?

United States

#11 Apr 14, 2013
Hmmm wrote:
Bravo. We've all read Joseph Campbell. In the end, you need to believe something. Fairytales and legends hold their own truth. I'm comfy with not having the answers, but a lot of people aren't. Leave them alone unless you can provide a substitute for their beliefs. Knocking the pins out isn't enough.
I think your wrong, would you say more than 1-2% of the population has read comparative mythology?

Why do people need to believe lies, what's wrong with reality? I think the person that started this post is helping people think about religion instead of just mindlessly following along wasting their whole life on a lie.

I have no problem with people believing in any religion but it would be much better for everybody involved if they were a minority unable to have an effect on our government and law making process. I think if Islam ever become a majority in the US the politicians would convert to Islam to get elected and we would be under the law of Islam.

Waltham, MA

#12 Apr 14, 2013
Oh, ilk this.

Knoxville, TN

#14 Apr 16, 2013
StaccatS wrote:
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Thanks, that was very helpful. I just assumed the immaculate conception was official from day one. It would seem that god would have to do a little magic on Mary's mother, grandmother, great grandmother, all the way back to Adam right? Since we are all born into sin because Adam & Eve took one little bite of a magic fruit that was intentionally placed in front of them. They didn't have a chance since god created a talking snake and placed it in the garden on purpose right?

With all that magic and careful planning to allow himself to be born sinless just so he could commit suicide, why not just snap his fingers and make everyone born sinless? He must of really wanted to commit suicide pretty bad just for the fun of it. The more deep thought you put into religion the nuttier it gets.

The link you provided said the evidence for the assumption of Mary is the fact that there is no trace of her existence! I can think of other reasons for there being no trace of her! It also says Enoch and Elijah were taken up into heaven but I know years ago I read somewhere in the bible that no mortal ever went except Jesus. Just another contradiction I guess. In your video Mary doesn't see why Catholics make such a big deal over her because she is Jewish. Is she waiting for the Jewish Messiah?

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