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This is a SECULAR nation...practice your religion. Don't FORCE it

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Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

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#1 Sep 11, 2012
and if you can't abide by that, maybe it's time we taxed you for the extra property your churches own, and for talking about politics at the pulpit.

Those two things prove you are not Christian.
Reality

Madison, WI

#2 Sep 11, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
and if you can't abide by that, maybe it's time we taxed you for the extra property your churches own, and for talking about politics at the pulpit.
Those two things prove you are not Christian.
In the words of my generation, Right On.

Cookie, enjoy this video, it sums it up rather well.

Native from Pa

New Holland, PA

#4 Sep 11, 2012
Cookie,
I am required by God to go into ALL the world and preach the gospel so I will obey GOD and NOT you.
Cookie_Parker wrote:
and if you can't abide by that, maybe it's time we taxed you for the extra property your churches own, and for talking about politics at the pulpit.
Those two things prove you are not Christian.

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

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#5 Sep 11, 2012
Native from Pa wrote:
Cookie,
I am required by God to go into ALL the world and preach the gospel so I will obey GOD and NOT you.
<quoted text>
If you were handed the Koran first that is what you would be preaching now.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Santa Fe, NM

#6 Sep 11, 2012
Native from Pa wrote:
Cookie,
I am required by God to go into ALL the world and preach the gospel so I will obey GOD and NOT you.
<quoted text>
Oh yeah? Who are you going to report them to when they tell you you're crazier than a shithouse rat in the real world?

Since: Sep 12

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#7 Sep 11, 2012
Reality wrote:
<quoted text>In the words of my generation, Right On.
Cookie, enjoy this video, it sums it up rather well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =wHjsaEK4vnwXX
disrespect for christianity or islam has caused americans to be killed .. perhaps you could think about it and ask the web site you posted to be removed ? especialy concidering what the preseident has just recently said..

thanks..

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#8 Sep 11, 2012
Native from Pa wrote:
Cookie,
I am required by God to go into ALL the world and preach the gospel so I will obey GOD and NOT you.
<quoted text>
Why don't you go to Saudi Arabia and preach?
Reality

Madison, WI

#9 Sep 11, 2012
supersinner wrote:
<quoted text>
disrespect for christianity or islam has caused americans to be killed .. perhaps you could think about it and ask the web site you posted to be removed ? especialy concidering what the preseident has just recently said..
thanks..
Golly, you evidently have not read or heard of the First Amendment. Thanks for playing have a great day. BTW use spell check.

Since: Sep 12

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#10 Sep 11, 2012
Reality wrote:
<quoted text>Golly, you evidently have not read or heard of the First Amendment. Thanks for playing have a great day. BTW use spell check.
i have read it and so has presidnet Obama.. just because we have a right to post things that can get an american solder or news paper man murdered does not make it right to do so.. just because you have a right to make fun of many americans religions does not make it right to do that either..
Reality

Madison, WI

#11 Sep 11, 2012
supersinner wrote:
<quoted text>
i have read it and so has presidnet Obama.. just because we have a right to post things that can get an american solder or news paper man murdered does not make it right to do so.. just because you have a right to make fun of many americans religions does not make it right to do that either..
LOL you people make a mockery of your own religion every day.

Since: Sep 12

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#12 Sep 11, 2012
how would you like it if most christians took the attitude---- most american solder's don't claim christianity any way ,, so who cares if we say something that gets them murdered.. No skin off our backs. THAT WOULD BE AWFUL,,, YET NO WORSE THAN WHAT YOU ARE DOING,,, TO TRY TO INCITE THAT TYPE OF ATTITUDE..
job

Santa Clara, CA

#13 Sep 12, 2012
THIS IS VERY INTERESTING! After you check your state(s), look at the last
sentence or two.

America's founders did not intend for there to be a separation of God and
state, as shown by the fact that all 50 states acknowledge God in their
state constitutions:

Alabama 1901, Preamble. We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the
favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following
Constitution ..

Alaska 1956, Preamble. We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to
those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land ..

Arizona 1911, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to
Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...

Arkansas 1874, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful
to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...

California 1879, Preamble. We, the People of the State of California,
grateful to Almighty God for our freedom .

Colorado 1876, Preamble. We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence
for the Supreme Ruler of Universe .

Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with
gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy ...

Delaware 1897, Preamble. Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature,
the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the
dictates
of
their consciences .

Florida 1845, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to
Almighty God for our constitutional liberty ... establish this
Constitution...

Georgia 1777, Preamble. We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection
and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...

Hawaii 1959, Preamble. We, the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine
Guidance . establish this Constitution

Idaho 1889, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to
Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings ..

Illinois 1870, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful
to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He hath
so
long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our
endeavors
.

Indiana 1851, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to
Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to chose our form of
government
..

Iowa 1857, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Iowa, grateful to the
Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence
on Him for a continuation of these blessings ... establish this Constitution

Kansas 1859, Preamble. We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God
for our civil and religious privileges . establish this Constitution.

Kentucky 1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth of grateful to
Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties...
job

Santa Clara, CA

#14 Sep 12, 2012
Louisiana 1921, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful
to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy ..

Maine 1820, Preamble. We the People of Maine .. acknowledging with grateful
hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us
an opportunity ... and imploring His aid and direction

Maryland 1776, Preamble. We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful
to Almighty God or our civil and religious liberty...

Massachusetts 1780, Preamble. We...the people of Massachusetts,
acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of
the
Universe...in the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly
imploring His
direction ...

Michigan 1908, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful
to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom ... establish this Constitution

Minnesota, 1857, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Minnesota,
grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to
perpetuate
its
blessings

Mississippi 1890, Preamble. We, the people of Mississippi in convention
assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.

Missouri 1845, Preamble. We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence
for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness ..
establish this Constitution ..

Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God
for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution ..

Nebraska 1875, Preamble. We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our
freedom .. establish this Constitution

Nevada 1864, Preamble. We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to
Almighty God for our freedom . establish this Constitution ..

New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V. Every individual has a natural
and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own
conscience .

New Jersey 1844, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New Jersey,
grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so
long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our
endeavors
.

New Mexico 1911, Preamble. We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to
Almighty God for the blessings of liberty ..

New York 1846, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New York, grateful
to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings .

North Carolina 1868, Preamble. We the people of the State of North Carolina,
grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil,
political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon
Him for the continuance of those

North Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of North Dakota, grateful to
Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...

Ohio 1852, Preamble. We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to
Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our
common
..

Oklahoma 1907, Preamble. Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to
secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty ... establish this

Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I. Section 2. All men shall be secure
in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of
their consciences .

Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble. We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to
Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly
invoking His guidance

Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island
grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath
so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing

South Carolina, 1778, Preamble. We, the people of the State of South
Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this
Constitution

South Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of South Dakota, grateful to
Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties . establish this
job

Santa Clara, CA

#15 Sep 12, 2012
Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible
right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their
conscience...

Texas 1845, Preamble. We the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging,
with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God

Utah 1896, Preamble. Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we
establish this Constitution .

Vermont 1777, Preamble. Whereas all government ought to ... enable the
individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other
blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man ...

Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI ... Religion, or the Duty which we owe
our Creator . can be directed only by Reason ... and that it is the mutual
duty
of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each
other
...

Washington 1889, Preamble. We the People of the State of Washington,
grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain
this
Constitution .

West Virginia 1872, Preamble. Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the
blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West
Virginia .. reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God .

Wisconsin 1848, Preamble. We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty
God for our freedom, domestic tranquility

Wyoming 1890, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to
God for our civil, political, and religious liberties ... establish this
Constitution .

After reviewing acknowledgments of God from all 50 state constitutions, one
is faced with the prospect that maybe, just maybe, the ACLU and the
out-of-control federal courts are wrong!

"Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants."
William Penn

Roland_Deschain

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

London, UK

#16 Sep 12, 2012
job wrote:
"Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants."
William Penn
The end result of being governed by any supernatural deity is a theocracy.

"government ruled by or subject to religious authority."

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/theocracy

This may sound absolutely fantastic to you. However, have you considered what would happen once the science haters, evolution deniers, homophobes, haters of women's rights, etc got control?
You know, people "Native" and all the other nut-jobs fundie Christians posting on Topix? Would you REALLY like to live in the American version of Afghanistan?
job

Santa Clara, CA

#17 Sep 12, 2012
Roland_Deschain wrote:
<quoted text>
The end result of being governed by any supernatural deity is a theocracy.
"government ruled by or subject to religious authority."
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/theocracy
This may sound absolutely fantastic to you. However, have you considered what would happen once the science haters, evolution deniers, homophobes, haters of women's rights, etc got control?
You know, people "Native" and all the other nut-jobs fundie Christians posting on Topix? Would you REALLY like to live in the American version of Afghanistan?
Roland, there's a 'new' phobe in town. It's called a "Christophobe".

Did you ever stop to think that as Christian as our nation "was", your scenario didn't happen? No, Roland, we were 'not' a Theocracy. Your definition is not correct by the way. Religious authority and a supernatural deity are 2 separate things. If every American just happened to be a 'Born Again Christian'(believed in Jesus Christ), we could still literally be a 'secular' nation. We could be a 'secular' nation ruled by those who happen to be Christians, allowing everyone the opportunity to 'still' believe as they choose.

It's not going to do any good to try and rewrite history. These American 'Christians' wanted to 'avoid' the 'literal' Theocracy that Europe experienced where authority was given to particular branches/denominations of Christianity. With that type of 'religious' authority, there was 'no' freedom of religion.

These people thanked God for their 'freedom', not religious oppression. You can read it for yourself.

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#20 Sep 12, 2012
Reality wrote:
<quoted text>In the words of my generation, Right On.
Cookie, enjoy this video, it sums it up rather well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =wHjsaEK4vnwXX
OMG that is absolutely HYSTERICAl and TRUE.!!!

Here's one on the idiocy of the right wingers I found on another forum

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

THanks for sharing that.

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#21 Sep 12, 2012
job wrote:
<quoted text>
Roland, there's a 'new' phobe in town. It's called a "Christophobe".
Did you ever stop to think that as Christian as our nation "was", your scenario didn't happen? No, Roland, we were 'not' a Theocracy. Your definition is not correct by the way. Religious authority and a supernatural deity are 2 separate things. If every American just happened to be a 'Born Again Christian'(believed in Jesus Christ), we could still literally be a 'secular' nation. We could be a 'secular' nation ruled by those who happen to be Christians, allowing everyone the opportunity to 'still' believe as they choose.
It's not going to do any good to try and rewrite history. These American 'Christians' wanted to 'avoid' the 'literal' Theocracy that Europe experienced where authority was given to particular branches/denominations of Christianity. With that type of 'religious' authority, there was 'no' freedom of religion.
These people thanked God for their 'freedom', not religious oppression. You can read it for yourself.
Really>? Well you republican made born again evangelicals want to IMPOSE your beliefs onto us...like removing birth control and abortion as a woman's right to choose how many children she wants and under what circumstance and you want to STOP homosexuals from having access to state institutions of marriage...

Afraid your argument can't wash with all the religious pounding your ilk has done for over 30 years.

There is no god for those who don't imagine him in their minds...only those who imagine him in their minds believe in god...get my drift?

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#22 Sep 12, 2012
job wrote:
Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible
right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their
conscience...
Texas 1845, Preamble. We the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging,
with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God
Utah 1896, Preamble. Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we
establish this Constitution .
Vermont 1777, Preamble. Whereas all government ought to ... enable the
individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other
blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man ...
Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI ... Religion, or the Duty which we owe
our Creator . can be directed only by Reason ... and that it is the mutual
duty
of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each
other
...
Washington 1889, Preamble. We the People of the State of Washington,
grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain
this
Constitution .
West Virginia 1872, Preamble. Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the
blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West
Virginia .. reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God .
Wisconsin 1848, Preamble. We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty
God for our freedom, domestic tranquility
Wyoming 1890, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to
God for our civil, political, and religious liberties ... establish this
Constitution .
After reviewing acknowledgments of God from all 50 state constitutions, one
is faced with the prospect that maybe, just maybe, the ACLU and the
out-of-control federal courts are wrong!
"Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants."
William Penn
These are opinions....here's the government's document

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

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So all those opinions you quoted are wrong..now, here are some REAL opinions as to why we separate the church from the state:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...

GOD said through Jesus.

20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?

21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

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Separate thy church from government....

http://www.nobeliefs.com/jefferson.htm

Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.

-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.

-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

What is it men cannot be made to believe!

-Thomas Jefferson to Richard Henry Lee, April 22, 1786.(on the British regarding America, but quoted here for its universal appeal.)

Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

And he was one of the ones who kept religion from government.
Reality

Madison, WI

#25 Sep 12, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>
OMG that is absolutely HYSTERICAl and TRUE.!!!
Here's one on the idiocy of the right wingers I found on another forum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =iKTMCaw4pF4XX&feature=you tu.be
THanks for sharing that.
I am so posting that link on another forum, thanks Cookie. Now on with the fundie fight

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