Who Invented the Trinity?
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#552 Dec 27, 2016
Truthseeker007 wrote:
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What ancient document is this found in besides the Bible?
JESUS IN NON-CHRISTIAN SOURCES:
http://www.bethinking.org/jesus/ancient-evide...
http://coldcasechristianity.com/2014/is-there...
https://carm.org/non-biblical-accounts-new-te...

Barmsweb

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#553 Dec 27, 2016
Barmsweb wrote:
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"Trinity" is a doctrine borrowed from pagan beliefs - it was considered heresy until Rome said otherwise.

There is no God but One, and there is no God besides Him, and Christians who put the face of Jesus upon Him have believed a lie.

The whole saved by grace through faith was the invention of Paul - Yeshua never taught it. The only Gospel account worth consideration is Matthew - and that is only if one takes out the additions by Rome and double check the ancient Aramaic text.

Yeshua taught the proper interpretation and application of the Torah and claimed to be the one who would ascend to the Ancient of Days (God) in Daniel.

So the Jews lie, and the Christians lie - two wrongs against God are not going to make things right.

Yeshua said his disciples will observe the Torah and live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God and that he, Yeshua, is to be our Teacher.
What will be the fate of those who disbelieve God and also disbelieve the testimony of Matthew of the Teachings of God given by Yeshua?

Are the works and faith of Islam in accord with the words of HASHEM and Yeshua? Or do they, as Mormons, have another book that defies belief in what God said is just and true?
Jesus Is

Australia

#554 Dec 27, 2016
Barmsweb wrote:
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"Trinity" is a doctrine borrowed from pagan beliefs - it was considered heresy until Rome said otherwise.
WHY WOULD THEY FEEL THE NEED TO BORROW FROM OTHER BELIEFS??????
There are no trinities in pagan theology anywhere.
There were triads (three gods),but no Trinity’s (one God in three persons):
Before Christianity, no religion ever believed in a single Deity consisting of three persons.
http://www.ukapologetics.net/1GODHEAD.html
Jesus Is

Australia

#555 Dec 27, 2016
ANCIENT EGYPTIAN TRINITY?
Osiris, Isis and Horus,
According to Egypt Mythology, Osiris is god of Afterlife, the under-world and Dead. He is the oldest son of god Geb & goddess Nut. He is husband as well as brother of god Isis and god Horus is their son.
DID ANY EGYPTIAN EVER DESCRIBE THESES THREE AS ONE GOD IN THREE PERSONS?
Jesus Is

Australia

#556 Dec 27, 2016
HINDU TRINITY?
Brama, Vishnu and Shiva

Brama the creator god, Vishnu the preserver and Shiva the destroyer god. Is the God of Christians the same from the very function of these three mythical gods?

Plus, same with Ancient Egyptian Hindus have numerous numbers of deities.
Jesus Is

Australia

#557 Dec 27, 2016
PAGAN TRIADS?

The problem is that when people go looking for pagan 'divine triads' they might well find them, but so would they find 'divine quartets','divine septets' or almost anything else! It depends what the researcher is looking for! We must realize that in India alone it is claimed that over 1,000,000 deities are worshipped.

SHOULD WE NOT USE THE NUMBER THREE BECAUSE IT IS PAGAN?
Jesus Is

Australia

#558 Dec 27, 2016
Isaiah 44:3
3 ‘For I will pour out water on the thirsty land And streams on the dry ground; I will pour out My Spirit on your offspring And My blessing on your descendants;

Barmsweb

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Fresno, OH

#559 Dec 27, 2016
Jesus Is wrote:
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WHY WOULD THEY FEEL THE NEED TO BORROW FROM OTHER BELIEFS??????
There are no trinities in pagan theology anywhere.
There were triads (three gods),but no Trinity’s (one God in three persons):
Before Christianity, no religion ever believed in a single Deity consisting of three persons.
http://www.ukapologetics.net/1GODHEAD.html
Yes - and triads to trinity is but a short leap of faith - but faith in what? and in whom?

The entire OT is filled with testimony from God that there is no other God. He did warn the children of Abraham to NOT go after the "gods come lately" who were no God, but were demons.. the "alien gods" that others served that knew not the One True God.

If there is but one God - who has a number of Names, based from what He was doing - such as mercy or judgment - there is no basis to consider Jesus having ever claimed to be "God incarnate".

Rather, in the same sense of Moses speaking the words of God made him as God to Pharoah and Aaron - likewise, Jesus should be considered even greater than Moses, and other prophets before him, to have testified of the will of God, and that God was with him - as seen by the works done that showed God was with him. He never claimed to be God - and gave a number of teachings that should have prevented anyone from claiming such nonsense.

Barmsweb

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#560 Dec 27, 2016
We can also see in the Torah that when God told Moses what to tell Pharoah, God said Israel was His first born son.

Who is the first born son of God? According to God?

Barmsweb

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Fresno, OH

#564 Dec 28, 2016
nobody wrote:
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Here is your fate Bible ripper:

Revelation 22:19
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Since my focus right now is "every word that proceeds from the mouth of God", as taught by Yeshua, it is obvious you are one of the most ignorant of the words of HASHEM as anyone else - perhaps even the most committed of atheists.

The book of Revelation makes very strong points to judge those who are lacking in the Mitzvot of God. The book makes strong points to be doing the commandments of God and also observing the Testimony of Yeshua in their own lives is what the overcomers did - and those who were not worthy (as show to be keeping the words of God indeed) will not enter the City. In fact, the book says those who enter will do so by right - not by grace.

Yeshua taught repentance unto doing righteousness - which he also defined to be the instructions of God.

Paul taught salvation by his gospel of grace that says if you think you have to keep the words of God that you have fallen from his gospel of grace and are condemned.

I'll continue in the word of God.

You just keep following your liar.

Paul is the one who twisted Scripture. If you ever get up the courage to double check Faul's teachings and quotes of Scripture - you will find out that:

1. Paul knew nothing but twisting Scripture.
2. Paul knew nothing of the actual truth of God.

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Barmsweb

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#566 Dec 28, 2016
3. Therefore the gospel of Faul is not true, which means you should have looked to Jesus to know the life to imitate - not Faul.

Barmsweb

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#567 Dec 28, 2016
Ferber wrote:
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That's what Peter said about you Bible ripper.

"our beloved brother Paul"
"all his epistles"
"Scriptures"

2 Peter 3:15-16
15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation--as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you,
16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
Where did Jesus teach the Law was to be nailed to the cross?
Where did Jesus teach the Law causes sin?
Where did Jesus teach righteousness that is apart from the Law?
Where did Jesus teach his righteousness was imputed to anyone?
Where did Jesus teach these things?

Give us those verses.

You are a good paganized Roman - and nothing more - if you do the works of Faul.

Barmsweb

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Fresno, OH

#568 Dec 28, 2016
Perhaps as important as any of the above -

Where did Jesus teach that the Word of God given before him was lacking the truth of God and ineffectual to accomplishing what HASHEM gave it for?
little lamb

Acacia Ridge, Australia

#572 Dec 28, 2016
Barmsweb wrote:
We can also see in the Torah that when God told Moses what to tell Pharoah, God said Israel was His first born son.

Who is the first born son of God? According to God?
Jesus is the Israel of God

Israel is a vine and we are the branches and the Father is the cultivator

Jesus said " I am the vine '

Barmsweb

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Fresno, OH

#573 Dec 28, 2016
nobody wrote:
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I'll take Paul's word over yours any day messenger of Satan.
Then you take the word of Satan's disciple over the actual words of God. That's your lameness - not mine. Why are you my enemy for telling you the truth? Because you are not of God - as those of God will be lead by the Spirit and the Word of God. The Spirit of Truth cannot deny the Truth of the Word of God - yet Faul said to live by the "spirit" that despises the words of God.

Therefore - we know who you worship and believe - and it isn't God or the Christ.
Jesus Is

Australia

#575 Dec 28, 2016
Barmsweb wrote:
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Yes - and triads to trinity is but a short leap of faith - but faith in what? and in whom?

The entire OT is filled with testimony from God that there is no other God.
GENESIS 6:3
3 Then the Lord said,“My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”
Jesus Is

Australia

#576 Dec 28, 2016
Barmsweb wrote:
3. Therefore the gospel of Faul is not true, which means you should have looked to Jesus to know the life to imitate - not Faul.
100 SIMILARIES BETWEEN PAUL'S TEACHINGS AND JESUS'S TEACHINGS:
http://answering-islam.org/Wales/jesus_paul.h...
Jesus Is

Australia

#577 Dec 28, 2016
Barmsweb wrote:
<quoted text>Perhaps as important as any of the above -

Where did Jesus teach that the Word of God given before him was lacking the truth of God and ineffectual to accomplishing what HASHEM gave it for?
JESUS WAS DEFENDING THESE WORDS OF GOD;

JEREMIAH 31 TORAH:

30: Behold, days are coming, says the Lord, and I will form a covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, A NEW COVENANT.

31 NOT LIKE the covenant that I formed with their forefathers on the day I took them by the hand to take them out of the land of Egypt, that THEY BROKE MY COVENANT, although I was a lord over them, says the Lord.
Jesus Is

Australia

#578 Dec 28, 2016
JEREMIAH 31:36 TORAH:

36:
So said the Lord: If the heavens above will be measured and the foundations of the earth below will be fathomed, I TOO WILL REJECT ALL THE SEED OF ISRAEL because of all they did, says the Lord.
Jesus Is

Australia

#579 Dec 28, 2016
Barmsweb wrote:
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Where did Jesus teach the Law was to be nailed to the cross?
Where did Jesus teach the Law causes sin?
Where did Jesus teach righteousness that is apart from the Law?
Where did Jesus teach his righteousness was imputed to anyone?
Where did Jesus teach these things?

Give us those verses.

You are a good paganized Roman - and nothing more - if you do the works of Faul.
MATTHEW 23:13-14:
You Pharisees and teachers of the Law of Moses are in for trouble! You’re nothing but show-offs. You lock people out of the kingdom of heaven. You won’t go in yourselves, and you keep others from going in.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...

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