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The three monotheistic religions – Judaism, Christianity, and Islam – all purport to share one fundamental concept: belief in God as the Supreme Being, the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe. Known as “tawhid” in Islam, this concept of the Oneness of God was stressed by Moses in a Biblical passage known as the “Shema”, or the Jewish creed of faith:
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.”(Deuteronomy 6:4)
It was repeated word-for-word approximately 1500 years later by Jesus, when he said:
“...The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord.”(Mark 12:29)
Muhammad came along approximately 600 years later, bringing the same message again:
“And your God is One God: there is no God but He...”(Quran 2:163)
Christianity has digressed from the concept of the Oneness of God, however, into a vague and mysterious doctrine that was formulated during the fourth century. This doctrine, which continues to be a source of controversy both within and outside the Christian religion, is known as the Doctrine of the Trinity. Simply put, the Christian doctrine of the Trinity states that God is the union of three divine persons – the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit – in one divine being.
If that concept, put in basic terms, sounds confusing, the flowery language in the actual text of the doctrine lends even more mystery to the matter:
“...we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity... for there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, another of the Holy Ghost is all one... they are not three gods, but one God... the whole three persons are co-eternal and co-equal... he therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity...”(excerpts from the Athanasian Creed)
Let’s put this together in a different form: one person, God the Father, plus one person, God the Son, plus one person, God the Holy Ghost, equals one person, God the What? Is this English or is this gibberish?
It is said that Athanasius, the bishop who formulated this doctrine, confessed that the more he wrote on the matter, the less capable he was of clearly expressing his thoughts regarding it.
How did such a confusing doctrine get its start?
Trinity in the Bible
References in the Bible to a Trinity of divine beings are vague, at best.
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In Matthew 28:19, we find Jesus telling his disciples to go out and preach to all nations. While this “Great Commission” does make mention of the three persons who later become components of the Trinity, the phrase “...baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost” is quite clearly an addition to Biblical text – that is, not the actual words of Jesus – as can be seen by two factors:
1) baptism in the early Church, as discussed by Paul in his letters, was done only in the name of Jesus; and
2) the “Great Commission” was found in the first gospel written, that of Mark, bears no mention of Father, Son and/or Holy Ghost – see Mark 16:15.
The only other reference in the Bible to a Trinity can be found in the Epistle of 1 John 5:7. Biblical scholars of today, however, have admitted that the phrase:
“...there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one”
…is definitely a “later addition” to Biblical text, and it is not found in any of today’s versions of the Bible.
It can, therefore, be seen that the concept of a Trinity of divine beings was not an idea put forth by Jesus or any other prophet of God. This doctrine, now subscribed to by Christians all over the world, is entirely man-made in origin.
The Doctrine Takes Shape
While Paul of Tarsus, the man who could rightfully be considered the true founder of Christianity, did formulate many of its doctrines, that of the Trinity was not among them. He did, however, lay the groundwork for such when he put forth the idea of Jesus being a “divine Son”. After all, a Son does need a Father, and what about a vehicle for God’s revelations to man? In essence, Paul named the principal players, but it was the later Church people who put the matter together.
Tertullian, a lawyer and presbyter of the third-century Church in Carthage, was the first to use the word “Trinity” when he put forth the theory that the Son and the Spirit participate in the being of God, but all are of one being of substance with the Father.
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The three monotheistic religions – Judaism, Christianity, and Islam – all purport to share one fundamental concept: belief in God as the Supreme Being, the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe. Known as “tawhid” in Islam, this concept of the Oneness of God was stressed by Moses in a Biblical passage known as the “Shema”, or the Jewish creed of faith:

“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.”(Deuteronomy 6:4)

It was repeated word-for-word approximately 1500 years later by Jesus, when he said:

“...The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord.”(Mark 12:29)

Muhammad came along approximately 600 years later, bringing the same message again:

“And your God is One God: there is no God but He...”(Quran 2:163)

Christianity has digressed from the concept of the Oneness of God, however, into a vague and mysterious doctrine that was formulated during the fourth century. This doctrine, which continues to be a source of controversy both within and outside the Christian religion, is known as the Doctrine of the Trinity. Simply put, the Christian doctrine of the Trinity states that God is the union of three divine persons – the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit – in one divine being.

If that concept, put in basic terms, sounds confusing, the flowery language in the actual text of the doctrine lends even more mystery to the matter:

“...we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity... for there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, another of the Holy Ghost is all one... they are not three gods, but one God... the whole three persons are co-eternal and co-equal... he therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity...”(excerpts from the Athanasian Creed)

Let’s put this together in a different form: one person, God the Father, plus one person, God the Son, plus one person, God the Holy Ghost, equals one person, God the What? Is this English or is this gibberish?

It is said that Athanasius, the bishop who formulated this doctrine, confessed that the more he wrote on the matter, the less capable he was of clearly expressing his thoughts regarding it.

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The three monotheistic religions – Judaism, Christianity, and Islam – all purport to share one fundamental concept: belief in God as the Supreme Being, the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe. Known as “tawhid” in Islam, this concept of the Oneness of God was stressed by Moses in a Biblical passage known as the “Shema”, or the Jewish creed of faith:
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.”(Deuteronomy 6:4)
It was repeated word-for-word approximately 1500 years later by Jesus, when he said:
“...The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord.”(Mark 12:29)
Muhammad came along approximately 600 years later, bringing the same message again:
“And your God is One God: there is no God but He...”(Quran 2:163)
Christianity has digressed from the concept of the Oneness of God, however, into a vague and mysterious doctrine that was formulated during the fourth century. This doctrine, which continues to be a source of controversy both within and outside the Christian religion, is known as the Doctrine of the Trinity. Simply put, the Christian doctrine of the Trinity states that God is the union of three divine persons – the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit – in one divine being.
If that concept, put in basic terms, sounds confusing, the flowery language in the actual text of the doctrine lends even more mystery to the matter:
“...we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity... for there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, another of the Holy Ghost is all one... they are not three gods, but one God... the whole three persons are co-eternal and co-equal... he therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity...”(excerpts from the Athanasian Creed)
Let’s put this together in a different form: one person, God the Father, plus one person, God the Son, plus one person, God the Holy Ghost, equals one person, God the What? Is this English or is this gibberish?
It is said that Athanasius, the bishop who formulated this doctrine, confessed that the more he wrote on the matter, the less capable he was of clearly expressing his thoughts regarding it.
How did such a confusing doctrine get its start?
Trinity in the Bible
References in the Bible to a Trinity of divine beings are vague, at best.
The facts:

a) God was,

b) then there was the Holy Ghost, as we read in the O.T.

c) and then God born Jesus out of Mary.

Thus: God, Holy ghost and Jesus - spirit, spirit and flesh.

Now the quote trinity is a unnecessary reference to these three separate beings who are one in spirit.

Very logic, execpt to fools!

The son is like the father (note: not THE father), but was born out of flesh and the Holy Ghost. We know who Jesus is and where he came from, but about the Holy ghost we must speculate. I believe it to be a spiritual piece/part of God: this being is not God, and neighter is it Jesus, right? So it's just what it is: The Holy Ghost.

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- The Gospel is not the way you like to see it: it is the way it is.
- Jesus taught those who follow him only to Preach what he taught them - for they can never Teach you.

Calling The Unbeliever, Confronting The Lukewarm, Exposing The Hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to Christ, says God!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/christi...
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/baptism...

- Murder: the unauthorized (by God) killing of a creature
- Killing: the authorized (by God) putting to death of a creature
- Judging: In Christianity, the prohibited 'judging' is to execute a penalty upon another as retribution for their sins.
- CO1 5: 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
- Protect the Children from Satan in the Churches: http://www.silentlambs.org
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GENESIS 6:3 AUTHOR MOSES:

'3 Then the Lord said,“MY SPIRIT shall not strive with man forever, 2 because HE IS ALSO FLESH; 3 Nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”
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EZEKIEL 8:3 (OLD TESTAMENT):

'3 He stretched out the form of a hand and caught me by a lock of my head; AND THE SPIRIT lifted me up between earth and heaven and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the entrance of the 1north gate of the inner court, where the seat of the idol of jealousy, which bprovokes to jealousy, was located.'
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EZEKIEL 11:5

'5 Then the Spirit of the Lord fell upon me, and He said to me,“Say,‘Thus says the Lord,“So you think, house of Israel, for I know your thoughts.'
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Cliff09 wrote:
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The facts:
a) God was,
b) then there was the Holy Ghost, as we read in the O.T.
c) and then God born Jesus out of Mary.
Thus: God, Holy ghost and Jesus - spirit, spirit and flesh.
Now the quote trinity is a unnecessary reference to these three separate beings who are one in spirit.
Very logic, execpt to fools!
The son is like the father (note: not THE father), but was born out of flesh and the Holy Ghost. We know who Jesus is and where he came from, but about the Holy ghost we must speculate. I believe it to be a spiritual piece/part of God: this being is not God, and neighter is it Jesus, right? So it's just what it is: The Holy Ghost.
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- The Gospel is not the way you like to see it: it is the way it is.
- Jesus taught those who follow him only to Preach what he taught them - for they can never Teach you.
Calling The Unbeliever, Confronting The Lukewarm, Exposing The Hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to Christ, says God!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/christi...
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/baptism...
- Murder: the unauthorized (by God) killing of a creature
- Killing: the authorized (by God) putting to death of a creature
- Judging: In Christianity, the prohibited 'judging' is to execute a penalty upon another as retribution for their sins.
- CO1 5: 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
- Protect the Children from Satan in the Churches: http://www.silentlambs.org
Please quote the passage that states Jesus is god.

Even Jesus is quoted as saying that he will be seated at the right hand of his father in Paradise.
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In Matthew 28:19, we find Jesus telling his disciples to go out and preach to all nations. While this “Great Commission” does make mention of the three persons who later become components of the Trinity, the phrase “...baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost” is quite clearly an addition to Biblical text – that is, not the actual words of Jesus –
EVIDENCE THAT MATTHEW 28:19 IS AUTHENTIC:

There is plenty of evidence from the writings of the early Church Fathers, from the disciples of the Apostles and their subsequent successors, that MATTHEW 28:19 EXISTED IN THE GOSPEL OF MATTHEW BEFORE THE 4TH CENTURY.

In fact, this command was so well known that many writers alluded to it without naming the specific Gospel from which they were quoting What this shows is that these Christians assumed that their readers were so familiar with this formula, and already knew in which of the four Gospels this instruction could be found, that they didn’t feel the need to specify the source.

Here, we will take a look at a few examples from these early Christian writings, all of which predate the fourth century:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/q_mt28...
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The three monotheistic religions – Judaism, Christianity, and Islam – all purport to share one fundamental concept: belief in God as the Supreme Being, the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe. Known as “tawhid” in Islam, this concept of the Oneness of God was stressed by Moses in a Biblical passage known as the “Shema”, or the Jewish creed of faith:
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.”(Deuteronomy 6:4)
It was repeated word-for-word approximately 1500 years later by Jesus, when he said:
“...The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord.”(Mark 12:29)
Muhammad came along approximately 600 years later, bringing the same message again:
“And your God is One God: there is no God but He...”(Quran 2:163)
Christianity has digressed from the concept of the Oneness of God, however, into a vague and mysterious doctrine that was formulated during the fourth century. This doctrine, which continues to be a source of controversy both within and outside the Christian religion, is known as the Doctrine of the Trinity. Simply put, the Christian doctrine of the Trinity states that God is the union of three divine persons – the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit – in one divine being.
If that concept, put in basic terms, sounds confusing, the flowery language in the actual text of the doctrine lends even more mystery to the matter:
“...we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity... for there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, another of the Holy Ghost is all one... they are not three gods, but one God... the whole three persons are co-eternal and co-equal... he therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity...”(excerpts from the Athanasian Creed)
Let’s put this together in a different form: one person, God the Father, plus one person, God the Son, plus one person, God the Holy Ghost, equals one person, God the What? Is this English or is this gibberish?
It is said that Athanasius, the bishop who formulated this doctrine, confessed that the more he wrote on the matter, the less capable he was of clearly expressing his thoughts regarding it.
How did such a confusing doctrine get its start?
Trinity in the Bible
References in the Bible to a Trinity of divine beings are vague, at best.
you being a muslim are so full of b.s, i don't even bother to read your explanation. the trinity is god & if you don't like, die. if you haven't the intelectual capacity to understand it.

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hmmmmm wrote:
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Please quote the passage that states Jesus is god.
Even Jesus is quoted as saying that he will be seated at the right hand of his father in Paradise.
The quote is different. Jesus quotes:

JOH 10: 30 I and my Father are one.
This is metaphorically, of course, for he sits at the right hand of God, and he prayed to God to save him from the cross before he was crucified. Thus we have Father, Son, Holy Ghost.

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- The Gospel is not the way you like to see it: it is the way it is.
- Jesus taught those who follow him only to Preach what he taught them - for they can never Teach you.

Calling The Unbeliever, Confronting The Lukewarm, Exposing The Hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to Christ, says God!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/christi...
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/baptism...

- Murder: the unauthorized (by God) killing of a creature
- Killing: the authorized (by God) putting to death of a creature
- Judging: In Christianity, the prohibited 'judging' is to execute a penalty upon another as retribution for their sins.
- CO1 5: 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
- Protect the Children from Satan in the Churches: http://www.silentlambs.org
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Cliff09 wrote:
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The quote is different. Jesus quotes:
JOH 10: 30 I and my Father are one.
This is metaphorically, of course, for he sits at the right hand of God, and he prayed to God to save him from the cross before he was crucified. Thus we have Father, Son, Holy Ghost.
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- The Gospel is not the way you like to see it: it is the way it is.
- Jesus taught those who follow him only to Preach what he taught them - for they can never Teach you.
Calling The Unbeliever, Confronting The Lukewarm, Exposing The Hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to Christ, says God!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/christi...
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/baptism...
- Murder: the unauthorized (by God) killing of a creature
- Killing: the authorized (by God) putting to death of a creature
- Judging: In Christianity, the prohibited 'judging' is to execute a penalty upon another as retribution for their sins.
- CO1 5: 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
- Protect the Children from Satan in the Churches: http://www.silentlambs.org
No disrespect to your beliefs.

No metaphors, no interpretations, where is it written that god, the holy spirit and Jesus are one?

By your logic, all humanity should rush into a forest fire and wait because it is written that god spoke to moses on the form of a burning bush.

Maybe it should be " in the name of the father, son, holy spirit and bush"

Again, no disrespect intended, but I lost my faith in one church a long time ago and have since become a student of all religions. I also make it a point to correct someone if they are incorrect and being ignorant to another's belief system.

Thank you for reading and have a wonderful day.
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EVIDENCE THAT MATTHEW 28:19 IS AUTHENTIC:
There is plenty of evidence from the writings of the early Church Fathers, from the disciples of the Apostles and their subsequent successors, that MATTHEW 28:19 EXISTED IN THE GOSPEL OF MATTHEW BEFORE THE 4TH CENTURY.
In fact, this command was so well known that many writers alluded to it without naming the specific Gospel from which they were quoting What this shows is that these Christians assumed that their readers were so familiar with this formula, and already knew in which of the four Gospels this instruction could be found, that they didn’t feel the need to specify the source.

1. Here, we will take a look at a few examples from these early Christian writings, all of which predate the fourth century:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/q_mt28...
1. "...'we' will take a look..." ? Just to be clear You are not one the "we", right? Cause all you're doing here is regurgitating Xtian apologetics...most of which originated from the Church you abhor, the RCC.

But none of these words are your own...you are only being a conduit of information that you don't even understand. Typical of the Xtians and now Muslims, passing along beliefs and ideas about their Gods that they don't understand, but deem THE Authority on the subject, because it supports your own sectarian POV's!

Here's the reality - NOT ONE Religion, most especially of the major Mono-T-3, have a perfect defense system (which they all claim to have) of their whacked out, contradictory scriptures...that have all been wildly interpreted to support all sorts of weak positions for their sects.

That's the reality here...its not that a Muslim, or a Jew can say Xtians this or that...or the Xtians do the same towards any number of their Religious enemies - the reality is all of them are making wildly unsubstantiated claims about their being a God/s, or that they have the extra special secret revelations from/about their God/s...or their prophets!

This thread is like the two loons in the asylum who meet in the courtyard and spend their days and nights, thru all sorts of weather arguing they are Jesus, or Mohammed or Buddha, or even Hitler or Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia!! Loons arguing for their support of claims that not they or anyone has ever substantiated in any manner!

Go to it...if we could just get some lions in this den it would be REAL entertainment!
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<quoted text>you being a muslim are so full of b.s, i don't even bother to read your explanation. the trinity is god & if you don't like, die. if you haven't the intelectual capacity to understand it.
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Yikes...a true scholar has entered the den! A true wordsmith!

So please tell us where and when the term "homoousios" is ever spoken, or alleged to have been said by Jesus, or where in any of the predominately Greek texts (used to write the Gospels, etc) that were used by the early Arianism-siding Church fathers to argue their POV that Jesus was of the same exact substance as the Father...!? Cause scripture still does not support that POV.

Please do support the Doctrine of the Trinity with thine scholarly ways...
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The majority of Christians, when asked to explain this fundamental doctrine of their faith, can offer nothing more than “I believe it because I was told to do so.” It is explained away as “mystery”– yet the Bible says in 1 Corinthians 14:33 that:

“... God is not the author of confusion ...”

The Unitarian denomination of Christianity has kept alive the teachings of Arius in saying that God is one; they do not believe in the Trinity. As a result, mainstream Christians abhor them, and the National Council of Churches has refused their admittance. In Unitarianism, the hope is kept alive that Christians will someday return to the preachings of Jesus:

“... Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve.”(Luke 4:8)

Islam and the Matter of the Trinity
While Christianity may have a problem defining the essence of God, such is not the case in Islam:

“They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity, for there is no god except One God”(Quran 5:73)

It is worth noting that the Arabic language Bible uses the name “Allah” as the name of God.

Suzanne Haneef, in her book What Everyone Should Know About Islam and Muslims (Library of Islam, 1985), puts the matter quite succinctly when she says:

“But God is not like a pie or an apple which can be divided into three thirds which form one whole; if God is three persons or possesses three parts, He is assuredly not the Single, Unique, Indivisible Being which God is and which Christianity professes to believe in.”[1]

Looking at it from another angle, the Trinity designates God as being three separate entities – the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. If God is the Father and also the Son, He would then be the Father of Himself because He is His own Son. This is not exactly logical.

Christianity claims to be a monotheistic religion. Monotheism, however, has as its fundamental belief that God is One; the Christian doctrine of the Trinity – God being Three-in-One – is seen by Islam as a form of polytheism. Christians don’t revere just One God, they revere three.

This is a charge not taken lightly by Christians, however. They, in turn, accuse the Muslims of not even knowing what the Trinity is, pointing out that the Quran sets it up as Allah the Father, Jesus the Son, and Mary his mother. While veneration of Mary has been a figment of the Catholic Church since 431 when she was given the title “Mother of God” by the Council of Ephesus, a closer examination of the verses in the Quran most often cited by Christians in support of their accusation, shows that the designation of Mary by the Quran as a “member” of the Trinity, is simply not true.

While the Quran does condemn both Trinitarianism (the Quran 4:171; 5:73)[2] and the worship of Jesus and his mother Mary (the Quran 5:116)[3], nowhere does it identify the actual three components of the Christian Trinity. The position of the Quran is that WHO or WHAT comprises this doctrine is not important; what is important is that the very notion of a Trinity is an affront against the concept of One God.

In conclusion, we see that the doctrine of the Trinity is a concept conceived entirely by man; there is no sanction whatsoever from God to be found regarding the matter simply because the whole idea of a Trinity of divine beings has no place in monotheism. In the Quran, God’s Final Revelation to mankind, we find His stand quite clearly stated in a number of eloquent passages:

“... your God is One God: whoever expects to meet his Lord, let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as partner.”(Quran 18:110)

“... take not, with God, another object of worship, lest you should be thrown into Hell, blameworthy and rejected.”(Quran 17:39)

– because, as God tells us over and over again in a Message that is echoed throughout ALL His Revealed Scriptures:

“... I am your Lord and Cherisher: therefore, serve Me (and no other)...”(Quran 21:92)

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No disrespect to your beliefs.
No metaphors, no interpretations, where is it written that god, the holy spirit and Jesus are one?
By your logic, all humanity should rush into a forest fire and wait because it is written that god spoke to moses on the form of a burning bush.
Maybe it should be " in the name of the father, son, holy spirit and bush"
Again, no disrespect intended, but I lost my faith in one church a long time ago and have since become a student of all religions. I also make it a point to correct someone if they are incorrect and being ignorant to another's belief system.
Thank you for reading and have a wonderful day.
That is not written in one line, like when Jesus quotes that he and God are one, subsequently this being misinterpreted as him being God by the listeners, who proceed to attack him.

I can only repeat that we have the verse of Jesus: I and my father are one. Logic that we then have two, and the Holy Ghost is also a separate being and logically one with Jesus and God. But one must read the whole Gospel to understand this.

You lost your fait in one church? men are called to folow God and not the churches! So you were misguided and burned: and that's how it goes when you follow the churches - they lead you into death!

Calling The Unbeliever, Confronting The Lukewarm, Exposing The Hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to Christ, says God!
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"But who do you say that I Am?"
Simon Peter answered and said "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
Matthew 17:15,16
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Matthew 16:15,16
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Nov 21, 2013
 

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hmmmmm wrote:
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Please quote the passage that states Jesus is god.
Even Jesus is quoted as saying that he will be seated at the right hand of his father in Paradise.
John 1:1
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Nov 21, 2013
 
All things were made through Him,
John 1:3
Then God said "Let there be light"
Genesis 1:3

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