Traditional Marriage, The way God int...

Jazybird58

“Reality bites”

Since: Dec 11

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#142 Feb 9, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Many American Fundys wish they could act on these...they long for the old days when Xtians could go out and attack those they deem unworthy, and unfit...and pawn it off on their Gods commandments.
Many long for such power...it inspires many of them to push for the Xtian theocracy in the US.
That will be the day. Ain't gonna stand for a theocracy.

Jazybird58

“Reality bites”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#143 Feb 9, 2013
Rules for taking a second wife.

If he take him another wife....-- Exodus 21:10

God's rules for disposing of hated wives.

If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate.... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.-- Deuteronomy 22:13

It is better not to marry. But if you must have sex, then get married. It's better to be married than burn forever in hell.

It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.-- 1 Corinthians 7:1-2

For I would that all men were even as I myself.... I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.-- 1 Corinthians 7:7-9

If you're not already married, don't get married. If you have a wife, don't have sex with her. There's not enough time since Jesus is coming soon.

Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.-- 1 Corinthians 7:27

But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none.-- 1 Corinthians 7:29

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#144 Feb 9, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>And to quit when they say stop.
Like I keep saying, you do not want to have discussion, you want only to preach. Why do you keep lying by saying you want a discussion, when you dont want one?
I doubt you behave this way in real life, as few Xtians have the spine to be so belligerent, brick-wall-like. There is no way when someone says, "XYZ" (that you disagree with) and then you condemn them and then spout off some Bible quotes. No way. But this anonymity gives you the faux-courage you so lack in real life.
This is a Christian forum....... which is quite different than if I were to keep talking about Jesus and quoting scripture on a non-Christian forum.

NEWSFLASH! Don't come to a Christian forum if you don't like to read and learn about Christianity. You'd think that would be an obvious solution.
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What "faux-courage" do I have? I share the gospel in real life too. I'm a child of God, no one can do anything to me without God's permission.

“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#145 Feb 9, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
NEWSFLASH! Don't come to a Christian forum if you don't like to read and learn about Christianity. You'd think that would be an obvious solution.
Newsflash.. you aint shit and anyone can do anything here on ANY thread in ANY forum on TOPIX..

You dont like those parameters? Then go somewhere else..

I'm gonna talk about female dogs in the Christian forum.. why? Because I can and there is one that posts here!
Tough!

“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#146 Feb 9, 2013
Punisher wrote:
Many long for such power...it inspires many of them to push for the Xtian theocracy in the US.
Over their dead bodies! aint gonna happen. Period.
Punisher

Tuckahoe, NY

#147 Feb 9, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
This is a Christian forum....... which is quite different than if I were to keep talking about Jesus and quoting scripture on a non-Christian forum.
NEWSFLASH! Don't come to a Christian forum if you don't like to read and learn about Christianity. You'd think that would be an obvious solution.
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What "faux-courage" do I have? I share the gospel in real life too. I'm a child of God, no one can do anything to me without God's permission.
This is NOT a private place. No membership fees, no rituals to perform. No phoney claims of Faith needed. Its NOT a Xtian ONLY place. Obviously you cant grasp that.

When someone asks you direct questions, seeking YOUR POV, and all you do is ignore them and preach - you are ignoring the admonition to shake off the dust.

We get-it, you think you're a devout and righteous and saved follower of Xtianity. We get it. How about some personal insight? Some - oh maybe some humanity coming from you? Instead all we get are condemnations and bible quotes. Sometimes they are not even on topic.

So you get pushed back. Nothing you have said re; the subject of this thread - is relevant to that subject. And in case you dont get it, the subject is, the way "Marriage" is exampled in the Bible is screwy to say the least and hardly ever falls in line what YOU and most modern American Fundy Xtians think it all means.

You have done nothing to explain those very obvious contradictions. Not one thing. Except to wedge your agenda in.

Like I said, you do not want a discussion. You want to preach a narrow POV - not discuss anything. So stop lying.
Punisher

Tuckahoe, NY

#148 Feb 9, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
This is a Christian forum....... which is quite different than if I were to keep talking about Jesus and quoting scripture on a non-Christian forum.
NEWSFLASH! Don't come to a Christian forum if you don't like to read and learn about Christianity. You'd think that would be an obvious solution.
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2. What "faux-courage" do I have? I share the gospel in real life too. I'm a child of God, no one can do anything to me without God's permission.
Your God allows me to push back. He has sent ME to challenge you and show you and the world what a duplicitous, liar and Public Exhibitor of Faith you truly are. You and many others like you who worship a book, and adhere to and perform the Rituals of Hate.

I have been sent to rub your noses in your Pharisiacal worship.

2. Share? Hardly. Sharing doesnt involve badgering, and whacking people over the head. Nor does it involve playing God.

Faux-courage; To be so belligerent. No way you are this obtuse and stubborn in real life.

The internet has provided a forum for Believers, especially American Fundy Xtians, to pretend to be as Devout and perfect as they wish they were. All of you claim complete and perfect conviction, absolute confidence that You are the perfect examples of faith and worship. Yet exhibit little, if any real spiritual enlightenment. Exhibiting a trick as if its some great thing and will earn you a place in your Heaven.(memorizing Bible passages)

It would be funny, if not so pathetic and so the opposite of real world examples (of Xtianity) and in contradiction of the alleged words of your Messiah.

You dont share, you badger and try to whack people with Your so called perfect form of worship. You are transparent in that regards, as are most American Fundy Xtians.
Punisher

Tuckahoe, NY

#149 Feb 9, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
This is a Christian forum....... which is quite different than if I were to keep talking about Jesus and quoting scripture on a non-Christian forum.
NEWSFLASH! Don't come to a Christian forum if you don't like to read and learn about Christianity. You'd think that would be an obvious solution.
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What "faux-courage" do I have? I share the gospel in real life too. I'm a child of God, no one can do anything to me without God's permission.
Funny (not!) how Xtians expect their boundaries to be respected - but do not respect those of others..! Ever!

Come on RR, you really have to wake the F up to your own behaviors. What others do is not your concern, unless it truly effects you. And most of what you rail against doesn't fall under those parameters.

Gay Marriage in no way affects yours.(are you married? Divorced?) It in no way gets in the way of your worship.

The hot topics that American Fundy Xtians are currently obsessed with are irrelevant to ones personal faith and salvation. They are all outside of ones personal practice and do not, should not interfere with Your faith. Sure, you think marriage is for one man and one woman. Fine, so dont marry the same sex. Your marriage, if it exists, is fine. Measured by that one narrow criteria. But will it past the test of other criteria? I doubt it. I doubt it because we all measure success differently. My marriage is a success by OUR standards - not yours, or anyone else.
Punisher

Tuckahoe, NY

#150 Feb 9, 2013
Jazybird58 wrote:
Rules for taking a second wife.
If he take him another wife....-- Exodus 21:10
God's rules for disposing of hated wives.
If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate.... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.-- Deuteronomy 22:13
It is better not to marry. But if you must have sex, then get married. It's better to be married than burn forever in hell.
It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.-- 1 Corinthians 7:1-2
For I would that all men were even as I myself.... I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.-- 1 Corinthians 7:7-9
If you're not already married, don't get married. If you have a wife, don't have sex with her. There's not enough time since Jesus is coming soon.
Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.-- 1 Corinthians 7:27
But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none.-- 1 Corinthians 7:29
How great it would be if we could really get to the heart of Paul's mental issues. Its clear from so much of what he wrote he had some serious issues. Probably what put him into the business of State sanctioned Murderer in the first place.

Clearly he had sexual issues. Which has infected Xtianity and Xtians ever since.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#151 Feb 9, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
This is a Christian forum....... which is quite different than if I were to keep talking about Jesus and quoting scripture on a non-Christian forum.
NEWSFLASH! Don't come to a Christian forum if you don't like to read and learn about Christianity. You'd think that would be an obvious solution
NEWSFLASH.......This is still a PUBLIC FORUM and as such, we can still disagree with you and there AIN'T jack you can do about it.........I mean there are supposed Christians just like you in other NON-RELIGIOUS threads and forums who post the same crap as you........and guess what......THEY CAN......why? BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC FORUM........don't like being told to stuff your religion up your azz, you are free to exit topix at ANY time!!!

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#152 Feb 9, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Funny (not!) how Xtians expect their boundaries to be respected - but do not respect those of others..! Ever!
Come on RR, you really have to wake the F up to your own behaviors. What others do is not your concern, unless it truly effects you. And most of what you rail against doesn't fall under those parameters.
Gay Marriage in no way affects yours.(are you married? Divorced?) It in no way gets in the way of your worship.
The hot topics that American Fundy Xtians are currently obsessed with are irrelevant to ones personal faith and salvation. They are all outside of ones personal practice and do not, should not interfere with Your faith. Sure, you think marriage is for one man and one woman. Fine, so dont marry the same sex. Your marriage, if it exists, is fine. Measured by that one narrow criteria. But will it past the test of other criteria? I doubt it. I doubt it because we all measure success differently. My marriage is a success by OUR standards - not yours, or anyone else.
Come on Punisher.......RR and the clan can't see anything but what they want to see........and that's why they have to post this crap over and over again.........because obviously no one listens to them outside of Cyberspace........lol!!

I mean people have told these religious wacko's to stuff their crap in other NON-RELIGIOUS threads and they don't care and they don't respect others boundaries.......but they want us to respect theirs.......that's called being a hypocrite!!!

Since: Oct 07

Edinburgh, UK

#153 Feb 9, 2013
What is traditional Marriage the way God intended it anyways ? is it what we have nowadays in the western world ..paying a clergyman to perform a ceremony in which we take vows before God ???..is that not forbidden biblically to make vows to God ?

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#154 Feb 9, 2013
loveismygoal wrote:
What is traditional Marriage the way God intended it anyways ? is it what we have nowadays in the western world ..paying a clergyman to perform a ceremony in which we take vows before God ???..is that not forbidden biblically to make vows to God ?
Now, you do have a point and one some aren't going to understand.......lol!!!

Morning Love,
Hope all is well:-)
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#155 Feb 9, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Funny (not!) how Xtians expect their boundaries to be respected - but do not respect those of others..! Ever!
Come on RR, you really have to wake the F up to your own behaviors. What others do is not your concern, unless it truly effects you. And most of what you rail against doesn't fall under those parameters.
Gay Marriage in no way affects yours.(are you married? Divorced?) It in no way gets in the way of your worship.
The hot topics that American Fundy Xtians are currently obsessed with are irrelevant to ones personal faith and salvation. They are all outside of ones personal practice and do not, should not interfere with Your faith. Sure, you think marriage is for one man and one woman. Fine, so dont marry the same sex. Your marriage, if it exists, is fine. Measured by that one narrow criteria. But will it past the test of other criteria? I doubt it. I doubt it because we all measure success differently. My marriage is a success by OUR standards - not yours, or anyone else.
Romans Road stated something very profound in this thread:

"Traditional marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN.

Man meets woman, they fancy each other, they date, they fall in love, they get married, THEN they have sex.......NO SEX OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE!"

He didn't merely stop at "traditional marriage is between a man and a woman"; but he also touched on the issue of 'adultery' and 'fornication'. The issue is 'not' just about 'heterosexuality', but sexual 'purity'. And let's just use human logic here; who (also) suffers from 'adultery'? Children. As far as a child is concerned, the only man for their mother is their father/woman for their father is their mother. We have a lot of history of adultery and divorce; and thus a lot of study that clearly show that adultery and divorce have a negative impact on the 2 individuals involved....'and' their children.

Now we don't have 'any' history to speak of concerning "same-sex marriage". All we know we know is that it happened mainly among a minority who were a part of 'royalty'. And even so, it never caught on. So how do you...Punisher....know what the effects of same-sex marriage would have on a society if practiced in the mainstream? How do you know what effects it will have on children? I know this question is going to sound secularly sacrilegious, but can you really claim this question is irrelevant? The adult mind may be able to reason that children aren't going to be effected, or they can be sort of 'conditioned' to accept it. But the child's mind is different than the sophisticated adult mind.

I personally have no intention of getting into anyone's bedroom business. What people do behind their closed door is their business. But I don't support same-sex marriage. Do you feel that I should 'not' have that right to hold that view? Is this an issue that you feel should be excluded from a voting ballot?

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#156 Feb 9, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
Ummmm, point?
OK, I'll spell it out for you...You'll be able to tell he is a virgin by the speed of his orgasm...

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#157 Feb 9, 2013
Job wrote:
<quoted text>
Romans Road stated something very profound in this thread:
"Traditional marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN.
Man meets woman, they fancy each other, they date, they fall in love, they get married, THEN they have sex.......NO SEX OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE!"
He didn't merely stop at "traditional marriage is between a man and a woman"; but he also touched on the issue of 'adultery' and 'fornication'. The issue is 'not' just about 'heterosexuality', but sexual 'purity'. And let's just use human logic here; who (also) suffers from 'adultery'? Children. As far as a child is concerned, the only man for their mother is their father/woman for their father is their mother. We have a lot of history of adultery and divorce; and thus a lot of study that clearly show that adultery and divorce have a negative impact on the 2 individuals involved....'and' their children.
Now we don't have 'any' history to speak of concerning "same-sex marriage". All we know we know is that it happened mainly among a minority who were a part of 'royalty'. And even so, it never caught on. So how do you...Punisher....know what the effects of same-sex marriage would have on a society if practiced in the mainstream? How do you know what effects it will have on children? I know this question is going to sound secularly sacrilegious, but can you really claim this question is irrelevant? The adult mind may be able to reason that children aren't going to be effected, or they can be sort of 'conditioned' to accept it. But the child's mind is different than the sophisticated adult mind.
I personally have no intention of getting into anyone's bedroom business. What people do behind their closed door is their business. But I don't support same-sex marriage. Do you feel that I should 'not' have that right to hold that view? Is this an issue that you feel should be excluded from a voting ballot?
Good post Job...I know a lot of 'adults' that don't think even twice about the 'children' while getting divorced...

I wonder if the 'cycle' would be a clue to these yahoos. The 'cycle' meaning how many people do you know coming from divorced families get divorced themselves? But they do know everything, don't they?

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#158 Feb 9, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>This is NOT a private place. No membership fees, no rituals to perform. No phoney claims of Faith needed. Its NOT a Xtian ONLY place. Obviously you cant grasp that.
When someone asks you direct questions, seeking YOUR POV, and all you do is ignore them and preach - you are ignoring the admonition to shake off the dust.
We get-it, you think you're a devout and righteous and saved follower of Xtianity. We get it. How about some personal insight? Some - oh maybe some humanity coming from you? Instead all we get are condemnations and bible quotes. Sometimes they are not even on topic.
So you get pushed back. Nothing you have said re; the subject of this thread - is relevant to that subject. And in case you dont get it, the subject is, the way "Marriage" is exampled in the Bible is screwy to say the least and hardly ever falls in line what YOU and most modern American Fundy Xtians think it all means.
You have done nothing to explain those very obvious contradictions. Not one thing. Except to wedge your agenda in.
Like I said, you do not want a discussion. You want to preach a narrow POV - not discuss anything. So stop lying.
The thread title is "Traditional Marriage, The way God intended it to be." Everything I have stated on this thread has been on-topic. I even watched the Bible mocking video in the link ......which just shows how much mankind needs Jesus to wash away our sins.

Biblical marriage is explained in Genesis 2:22-24..........Jesus (Word come in the flesh) reiterates that in Matt 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9.
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Bible verse about marriage:

Genesis 2:22-24, Matthew 19:4-6, Mark 10:6-9, Ephesians 5:22-23, Colossians 3:18-19, Hebrews 13:4, 1 Corinthians 7:1-16, Proverbs 19:14, Proverbs 18:22, Proverbs 12:4, Proverbs 31:10, Deuteronomy 24:5, Proverbs 30:18-19, Proverbs 20:6-7, Proverbs 5:18-19

A link to read them:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...

Since: Oct 07

UK

#159 Feb 9, 2013
Hi Norcal ... I may get round to looking into what marriage was exactly when spoken of scripturely .All I know is it sure isn't what we go through now for a traditional Marriage . I do admit I liked my traditional wedding though it was performed in a hospital as opposed to a church but I believe God had already bound my hubby and self. In Marriage long before the formal ceremony
.Yes all is well here ...Thanks for asking , hope all is well with you and the Mrs too
Punisher

Tuckahoe, NY

#160 Feb 9, 2013
Job wrote:
<quoted text>

1. Now we don't have 'any' history to speak of concerning "same-sex marriage". All we know we know is that it happened mainly among a minority who were a part of 'royalty'. And even so, it never caught on. So how do you...Punisher....know what the effects of same-sex marriage would have on a society if practiced in the mainstream? How do you know what effects it will have on children? I know this question is going to sound secularly sacrilegious, but can you really claim this question is irrelevant? The adult mind may be able to reason that children aren't going to be effected, or they can be sort of 'conditioned' to accept it. But the child's mind is different than the sophisticated adult mind.

2. I personally have no intention of getting into anyone's bedroom business. What people do behind their closed door is their business. But I don't support same-sex marriage. Do you feel that I should 'not' have that right to hold that view? Is this an issue that you feel should be excluded from a voting ballot?
2. Personally, I think the Gay community fought the wrong battles, thats why the "War" is so much harder. Personally, I think both the gay community and singles, should be seeking to remove the legal perks of marriage on the grounds of discrimination. Marrieds should not get tax breaks that are not some how matched for the single - or the gay community that seeks civil marriage. neither should the marrieds have this "special covenant" with the Medical and Insurance industries. The patient is in charge of who can see him/her in a hospital, or gain information, or be in on medical decisions and be the beneficiary of insurance pay-outs. Not the courts!

My biggest problem with the Xtian POV on this matter is the influence/impact on civil legal matters! Of course there's the intruding into the bedroom and personal love lives of those they dont like.) but its more about trying to Legally define marriage so to have an impact on civil, legal and economic matters - that are simply NONE of any Religions and/or their adherents business to object to on pure faith based grounds.

Thats my issue with this whole issue.

1. No we dont have any info on these impacts, but when did that stop society from doing anything? Come on now...lets be realistic. Sounds like the same resistance POV of racists. "Whats gonna happen to the children, white children, if they associate with children of other colors?" (oh I don't know, become more tolerant and less racist!?! which is exactly what we see!)

Funny, but if "we" tried to implement a study on the effects of teaching children non-science in sciences class, and the long term effects on their intelligence and competitiveness in the market place - you Anti-evo, ID, folks would have a cow.

We dont need to do any more studies to know that poverty, and poor education leads to more teen pregnancy and therefore higher abortion rates.

But damn if we can get Xtians to put that KNOWN known, and oft studied matter, on their agenda to combat abortion. Nope, they just want to outlaw it on some silly grounds of re-gaining the blessings of their God!

And if the studies were done, and I do think some have been done at this point in our history - I would guess (yes its a guess, but a confident one) that a Gay couple would have the same odds of screwing up or not their kids as any hetero couple.

I dont think a child gives a royal shyte what their parents do in the bedroom, as long as they know its mutual, there is respect and love and that they are loved by their parents.

Make things uncomfortable? Embarrass them? Come on, Hetero parents have been doing that for forever...what will it matter if the couple is gay? IMO, it wont matter much at first, then not at all.

All the issues are in the heads of Xtians who make them up in order to bolster their prejudices and intrusion into other peoples lives.

Since: Oct 07

UK

#161 Feb 9, 2013
Hi Ndanger .... You can verify a mans virginity by the speed of his orgasm ??? What do you mean by spead ? Would this be the length of time it takes for him to orgasm ? If so how many hours, mins or seconds is the correct length of time ? When should his bride start the stopwatch before or after penetration?
Or do you mean at what speed his seed is ejaculated at when its his first time ..and how would this be measured ?
I've never came across this before that a mans virginity can be verified by the speed of his orgasm . Fascinating stuff looking forward to hearing more

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