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Since: Sep 10

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#104 Nov 9, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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The only thing you got is a big case of dumbassitis...
Yes... stick up for contradictions.

And you wonder why people are leaving your fundie craziness behind.

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#105 Nov 9, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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Unfortunately for you, that is what all the scientific research points to -- and HAS for the past 150 years.
And human beings ARE primates. Look up the word.
The word "primate" is a scientific "Darwinian" term based on the theory of evolution"

I don't believe in evolution or the concept that mankind evolved from chimpanzees or what have you. In other words, Darwin was a backslidden Christian and he was wrong.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#106 Nov 10, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>The word "primate" is a scientific "Darwinian" term based on the theory of evolution"
I don't believe in evolution or the concept that mankind evolved from chimpanzees or what have you. In other words, Darwin was a backslidden Christian and he was wrong.
Since the advent of the scientific method in the 17th century science has proven its reliability by advancing technology and knowledge of the world we live in faster and to higher levels than ever before in the history of the world, yet you reject the science which supports the fact that living things have evolved from simpler forms in favor of an ancient legend written by people who knew less about the universe we live in than the average 6th grader of today.

The ancient Greeks believed the legend that Zeus and the other gods lived atop Mount Olympus but they had an excuse because they had no scientific evidence to the contrary at that time. I can understand believing an ancient legend in absence of scientific evidence to the contrary but to continue to believe a myth contradicted by scientific evidence is willful ignorance. To this day there are willfully ignorant people that reject the scientific evidence that the Earth revloves around the Sun in favor of their belief that the Earth is the center of the universe as written in the Bible.

"There is absolutely nothing in the Bible to indicate that the earth revolves around the sun, but hundreds of verses that say the sun (and moon) move around the earth. Did God not know how to communicate to us that the earth moved? Would God be so esoteric, even deceptive, about such a thing? If God could say the sun circuits, why wouldn't He say the earth circuits if that is true? Why did God SAY the sun stood still if in fact, the earth stopped spinning? Did He forget the words to tell us the earth stopped spinning? Should we trust what modern science tells us when it disagrees with straightforward scripture?" - TG, from his blog GEOCENTRIC BEGINNINGS in which cites pseudo-scientists Gerardous Bouw and Marshall Hall.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque, NM

#107 Nov 10, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>The word "primate" is a scientific "Darwinian" term based on the theory of evolution"
I don't believe in evolution or the concept that mankind evolved from chimpanzees or what have you. In other words, Darwin was a backslidden Christian and he was wrong.
The problem with being fundamentalists is you're too ignorant to get your facts straight. The word "primate" is not a "Darwinian" term based on the theory of evolution but a term used by Carl Linnaeus in 1735 to include Humans, Orangutans, Chimpanzees and Apes.

"Linnaeus’ classification was important in many ways, not the least of which was how he classified humans. He named humans Homo sapiens, and placed us in the genus Homo. He also placed orangutans and chimpanzees, the two apes known at the time, in the genus Homo. And he placed Homo in a family, which he dubbed Primates. Primates also included two other genera, simians and lemurs. Although Linnaeus believed that humans were special beings in God’s creation, he slotted our species into his system as if it were any other."
-- http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/arti...

I included the entire paragraph, including the God thing. In his private correspondence he stated the only reason he separated Humans as a special species was not fear of God but fear of the Church.(Citation upon request. That means if you deny it I'll show you're wrong. Your call.)
Punisher

Bronx, NY

#108 Nov 10, 2013
Richie T wrote:
Hey 15th: Health insurance premiums are projected to double in New Mexico under the ACA. Yikes!
Yikes, under the status quo system the premiums were going up anyway and the coverage and restrictions to care have continually declined over the last three decades! Yikes!
Punisher

Bronx, NY

#109 Nov 10, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>The word "primate" is a scientific "Darwinian" term based on the theory of evolution"
I don't believe in evolution or the concept that mankind evolved from chimpanzees or what have you. In other words, Darwin was a backslidden Christian and he was wrong.
Why do fundys continually put their shyte laden foot in their pie-holes?

You are fundamentally wrong! I'll let you read Dali's post for some edu-maction!

slidden? Is that what didnt happen to your daddys load - it didn't slidden down yo mama's leg? Too bad...
Punisher

Bronx, NY

#110 Nov 10, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
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I really do appreciate you watching the video. I hope you also check out the gospel tracts that I link to in some of my posts.
Back to the video:
That wasn't a cheap shot against Catholicism. He was just pointing that good works, baptism, church membership, etc won't save a person.

1. A person is ONLY saved by grace through faith in Jesus' perfect sinless sacrificial death and resurrection, it is a free gift from God that no one can earn, nor are we deserving of it.

When Jesus started His public ministry, His first words were REPENT (Matthew 4:17)! In Luke 13:3, Jesus says "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."
The Greek word used there for repent is "metanoeo", which means to think differently or reconsider. That is having a change of mind towards God and the ONLY way into Heaven, which is through Christ Jesus (John 14:6, Acts 4:12). There is NOTHING that one can do to earn their salvation, the Word of God is crystal clear on this (Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5, Romans 4:5-6, etc etc).
When we acknowledge that we are sinners, that we can't do anything to save ourselves, and we turn to God's perfect sinless sacrifice (Jesus) to forgive us of our sin penalty, then we are repenting and surrendering our lives over to Jesus. That is to say, we are placing our eternal salvation in what Jesus did for us at Calvary's cross (sacrificed His perfect sinless life to die for our sin penalty and rise from the dead).
Lately I've been using a simple ABC salvation message, it really is as simple as ABC for a truly repentant sinner.
A- Admit you are a lost sinner, that there is nothing you can do to save yourself, that you need Jesus' perfect sinless sacrifice on the cross to atone for your sin (Romans 3:10, Romans 3:23).
B- Believe that Jesus died on the cross for your sin and rose from the dead (John 3:16, 1 Corinthians 15:3-4).
C- Call on the Lord Jesus to save you (Romans 10:13)! Confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, and you will be saved (Romans 10:9-10).
Yeah its a free-gift like a Logo emblazoned tote is a free-gift from a bank! Lol!

BTW, your ABC thingy is not yours. So cite the source...I've heard it all before...stop taking credit for other peoples work!

Let me ask a simple Q. If I accept that Jesus stuff (1)- do I have to accept all the other nonsense in the Bible? Like talking donkeys, etc...?

Give me a SIMPLE answer, and not all your usual filibustering...!
Punisher

Bronx, NY

#111 Nov 10, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
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God didn't even have to provide the gift of salvation if He didn't want to, He could have sent us all to Hell, since we all deserve it.

---->>>>> But the salvation plan through the shed BLOOD sacrifice of Christ Jesus was foreordained before the world even was created.
;
So the plan was always to let A&E fall, and curse their progeny, and hand us over to a super-powered Demon to have his way with us...and to let things go all whacky so God could try a few different way to get us straight!? Like toppling that heaven reaching tower, or that flood of his...so that eventually these failed attempts would be fixed by sending his son to be murdered to provide another blood sacrifice (contrary to his no human blood rules!) that in reality didn't fix anything anyway - like the previous attempts...!

So it was all preordained to go this way?! And yet we're blamed for what was already set in stone and motion? A&E never had a chance! In fact had they resisted the fruit shilling serpent, this God would have F'd them anyway, found another means to super-naturally trick them!

Thats the PLAN!?!?! Of an omniscient/omnipotent Super-Being? I think this God should reach out to Marvel comics for some story-line help and soon!

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#112 Nov 10, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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Since the advent of the scientific method in the 17th century science has proven its reliability by advancing technology and knowledge of the world we live in faster and to higher levels than ever before in the history of the world, yet you reject the science which supports the fact that living things have evolved from simpler forms in favor of an ancient legend written by people who knew less about the universe we live in than the average 6th grader of today.
Science itself is a vast undertaking. The scientific method is good. But evolutionary science is only one of the sciences and it is a very small part of science when compared to the whole.
Big Al wrote:
<quoted text>The ancient Greeks believed the legend that Zeus and the other gods lived atop Mount Olympus but they had an excuse because they had no scientific evidence to the contrary at that time. I can understand believing an ancient legend in absence of scientific evidence to the contrary but to continue to believe a myth contradicted by scientific evidence is willful ignorance. To this day there are willfully ignorant people that reject the scientific evidence that the Earth revloves around the Sun in favor of their belief that the Earth is the center of the universe as written in the Bible.
Evolution is an unproven theory. Out of millions upon millions of fossils, they still can't find the jump between species... in other words, they can't prove a species evolving into another species. It's all speculation.
Big Al wrote:
<quoted text>"There is absolutely nothing in the Bible to indicate that the earth revolves around the sun, but hundreds of verses that say the sun (and moon) move around the earth. Did God not know how to communicate to us that the earth moved? Would God be so esoteric, even deceptive, about such a thing? If God could say the sun circuits, why wouldn't He say the earth circuits if that is true? Why did God SAY the sun stood still if in fact, the earth stopped spinning? Did He forget the words to tell us the earth stopped spinning? Should we trust what modern science tells us when it disagrees with straightforward scripture?" - TG, from his blog GEOCENTRIC BEGINNINGS in which cites pseudo-scientists Gerardous Bouw and Marshall Hall.
No where in the Bible does it say that the sun revolves around the earth.

As far as the sun seemingly remaining in it's place... that doesn't say mean that the sun revolved around the earth. We still use the terms sunset and sunrise ourselves but does that mean that we believe that the sun is revolving around the earth? Of course not.

Ever experienced a day that seemed to drag on? Experienced days that went by too fast? In their case that long day, also miraculous, helped them to win the battle.

Let me ask you a question. Can time itself speed up or slow down? Yes or no.

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#113 Nov 10, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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The problem with being fundamentalists is you're too ignorant to get your facts straight. The word "primate" is not a "Darwinian" term based on the theory of evolution but a term used by Carl Linnaeus in 1735 to include Humans, Orangutans, Chimpanzees and Apes.
"Linnaeus’ classification was important in many ways, not the least of which was how he classified humans. He named humans Homo sapiens, and placed us in the genus Homo. He also placed orangutans and chimpanzees, the two apes known at the time, in the genus Homo. And he placed Homo in a family, which he dubbed Primates. Primates also included two other genera, simians and lemurs. Although Linnaeus believed that humans were special beings in God’s creation, he slotted our species into his system as if it were any other."
-- http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/arti...
I included the entire paragraph, including the God thing. In his private correspondence he stated the only reason he separated Humans as a special species was not fear of God but fear of the Church.(Citation upon request. That means if you deny it I'll show you're wrong. Your call.)
Obviously Darwin isn't the first materialist or naturalist who came up with the various terms of evolution. He built his theories in part from his predecessors so "evolutionary term" may have been better suited to use rather than Darwinian.

Again, we aren't primates... we're mankind and have no relation to monkeys or apes except we all came out of the earth. If you choose to believe the evolutionary model then that is your choosing and you are deceived to believe that imho.

We came from Adam and Eve... they are our common ancestors.
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#114 Nov 10, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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If I understand what you are saying correctly you didn’t want to believe the Bible message because you didn’t want to change your life but then all of a sudden you had an indescribable spiritual, sensory experience that convinced you of the truth of the Bible message.
Mohammed also claimed a sensory experience with the Angel Gabriel. I have no reason to believe that either your spiritual, sensory experience or Mohammed’s was anything more than imagination.
What you decide to believe is entirely your affair.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque, NM

#115 Nov 10, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Obviously Darwin isn't the first materialist or naturalist who came up with the various terms of evolution. He built his theories in part from his predecessors so "evolutionary term" may have been better suited to use rather than Darwinian.
Again, we aren't primates... we're mankind and have no relation to monkeys or apes except we all came out of the earth. If you choose to believe the evolutionary model then that is your choosing and you are deceived to believe that imho.
We came from Adam and Eve... they are our common ancestors.
You're right, we have no 'relation' to apes. We are apes. The delusion is yours and arises from the fact you think the Bible proves you're right. I understand that is the default position when you know absolutely nothing about science. Not my problem.

Anyway, I'm curious to know who you hate the most.

Atheists?
Homosexuals?
Scientists?
Other religions?

Since: Nov 10

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#116 Nov 10, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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You're right, we have no 'relation' to apes. We are apes.
Speak for yourself Lam0! So, you say we sprang from apes? Obviously you didnt spring far enough Lam0!

lol

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#117 Nov 10, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah its a free-gift like a Logo emblazoned tote is a free-gift from a bank! Lol!
BTW, your ABC thingy is not yours. So cite the source...I've heard it all before...stop taking credit for other peoples work!

Let me ask a simple Q. If I accept that Jesus stuff (1)- do I have to accept all the other nonsense in the Bible? Like talking donkeys, etc...?
Give me a SIMPLE answer, and not all your usual filibustering...!
The ABC gospel message is as basic as the Romans' Road to salvation message. I did cite the source, the Word of God! So how are we taking credit for others work? I've quoted the Romans' Road message hundreds and hundreds of times on here too, duh where do you think I got my screen name from? Unlike the vast majority of so-called Christians on this forum, I don't have to steal others work to play Christian. I actually KNOW the Word of God through years of study.

Do you understand the most important message of the Holy Bible is the perfect sinless sacrificial death and resurrection of Christ Jesus to make atonement for our sin?

Punisher, check out this helpful gospel tract:

"Who is the Real, Biblical Jesus?"
http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/tract_ht...

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#118 Nov 10, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Obviously Darwin isn't the first materialist or naturalist who came up with the various terms of evolution. He built his theories in part from his predecessors so "evolutionary term" may have been better suited to use rather than Darwinian.
Again, we aren't primates... we're mankind and have no relation to monkeys or apes except we all came out of the earth. If you choose to believe the evolutionary model then that is your choosing and you are deceived to believe that imho.
We came from Adam and Eve... they are our common ancestors.
And, where did Adam and Eve come from?

LOL

The Catholic Position

What is the Catholic position concerning belief or unbelief in evolution? The question may never be finally settled, but there are definite parameters to what is acceptable Catholic belief.

Concerning cosmological evolution, the Church has infallibly defined that the universe was specially created out of nothing. Vatican I solemnly defined that everyone must "confess the world and all things which are contained in it, both spiritual and material, as regards their whole substance, have been produced by God from nothing" (Canons on God the Creator of All Things, canon 5).

The Church does not have an official position on whether the stars, nebulae, and planets we see today were created at that time or whether they developed over time (for example, in the aftermath of the Big Bang that modern cosmologists discuss). However, the Church would maintain that, if the stars and planets did develop over time, this still ultimately must be attributed to God and his plan, for Scripture records: "By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, and all their host [stars, nebulae, planets] by the breath of his mouth" (Ps. 33:6).

Concerning biological evolution, the Church does not have an official position on whether various life forms developed over the course of time. However, it says that, if they did develop, then they did so under the impetus and guidance of God, and their ultimate creation must be ascribed to him.

Concerning human evolution, the Church has a more definite teaching. It allows for the possibility that man’s body developed from previous biological forms, under God’s guidance, but it insists on the special creation of his soul. Pope Pius XII declared that "the teaching authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions ... take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter—[but] the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God" (Pius XII, Humani Generis 36). So whether the human body was specially created or developed, we are required to hold as a matter of Catholic faith that the human soul is specially created; it did not evolve, and it is not inherited from our parents, as our bodies are.
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/adam-eve-and-e...

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque, NM

#119 Nov 10, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Obviously Darwin isn't the first materialist or naturalist who came up with the various terms of evolution. He built his theories in part from his predecessors so "evolutionary term" may have been better suited to use rather than Darwinian.
Again, we aren't primates... we're mankind and have no relation to monkeys or apes except we all came out of the earth. If you choose to believe the evolutionary model then that is your choosing and you are deceived to believe that imho.
We came from Adam and Eve... they are our common ancestors.
Paranoia is your friend. Ignorance is your friend.

Lineus' taxonomic classification predates the theory of evolution by well over a hundred years.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque, NM

#120 Nov 10, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
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The ABC gospel message is as basic as the Romans' Road to salvation message. I did cite the source, the Word of God! So how are we taking credit for others work? I've quoted the Romans' Road message hundreds and hundreds of times on here too, duh where do you think I got my screen name from? Unlike the vast majority of so-called Christians on this forum, I don't have to steal others work to play Christian. I actually KNOW the Word of God through years of study.
Do you understand the most important message of the Holy Bible is the perfect sinless sacrificial death and resurrection of Christ Jesus to make atonement for our sin?
Punisher, check out this helpful gospel tract:
"Who is the Real, Biblical Jesus?"
http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/tract_ht...
It may be simple but it is someone else's intellectual property you must cite your source.

Copyright ©2003 by Barth Middleton. All rights reserved.

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#121 Nov 10, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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It may be simple but it is someone else's intellectual property you must cite your source.
Copyright ©2003 by Barth Middleton. All rights reserved.
2003? LOL, now you're just making things up. I guarantee you the ABC salvation plan was out long before 2003.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque, NM

#122 Nov 10, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
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2003? LOL, now you're just making things up. I guarantee you the ABC salvation plan was out long before 2003.
You? Guarantee? That's a joke. Right?

http://goodnewsinlandvalley.com/docs/trainpar...
-- Copyright ©2003 by Barth Middleton. All rights reserved.

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#123 Nov 10, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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You? Guarantee? That's a joke. Right?
http://goodnewsinlandvalley.com/docs/trainpar...
-- Copyright ©2003 by Barth Middleton. All rights reserved.
Of course their 4 page "Train Parents to Evangelize Their
Children?" brochure is going to be copyrighted. This has nothing to do with the ABC salvation plan which has been around for "who knows how long?". You honestly can't be this unintelligent, can you?

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