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Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#1 Nov 5, 2013
Most of the disagreement in this forum, either among Christians or between Christians and atheists and agnostics or those of other faiths is the result of what we believe and what we don't believe. Why do you believe what you believe and disbelieve what you disbelieve? Is it possible that what you believe is incorrect or not true?

When we are out in the rain we don't talk about believing or not believing that it is raining because of our sensory experience we "know" it is raining. However, not everything in life is that obvious especially ideas about "God". Do you just believe what you have been taught in relation to "God" without question or have your beliefs changed over the course of your life due to your life experiences?
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#2 Nov 5, 2013
My beliefs have changed over a course of time. Prior to becoming a firm believer in Jesus Christ, I identified myself as a Christian twice, both times changing my mind. After becoming a firm believer due to a very profound (ongoing to this day) experience, I've still changed beliefs in other ways, some doctrinal, some social, etc.

I think there is however a misconception concerning faith/belief when it comes to Christianity. The idea is that 'faith' and/or 'belief' in all of it's format is 'blind'. The idea is that if a Christian knew, or claims to know for sure that Jesus Christ exists, Bible is the Word of God, then it wouldn't be 'faith', just as we don't need faith to know that it's actually raining when liquid drops are pelting us.

Of course when we look at the Bible, we certainly see that this is not the case. Take Gideon in the Book of Judges for instance:

Judges 6:33-40

New Living Translation (NLT)
Gideon Asks for a Sign

33 Soon afterward the armies of Midian, Amalek, and the people of the east formed an alliance against Israel and crossed the Jordan, camping in the valley of Jezreel. 34 Then the Spirit of the Lord took possession of Gideon. He blew a ram’s horn as a call to arms, and the men of the clan of Abiezer came to him. 35 He also sent messengers throughout Manasseh, Asher, Zebulun, and Naphtali, summoning their warriors, and all of them responded.

36 Then Gideon said to God,“If you are truly going to use me to rescue Israel as you promised, 37 prove it to me in this way. I will put a wool fleece on the threshing floor tonight. If the fleece is wet with dew in the morning but the ground is dry, then I will know that you are going to help me rescue Israel as you promised.” 38 And that is just what happened. When Gideon got up early the next morning, he squeezed the fleece and wrung out a whole bowlful of water.

39 Then Gideon said to God,“Please don’t be angry with me, but let me make one more request. Let me use the fleece for one more test. This time let the fleece remain dry while the ground around it is wet with dew.” 40 So that night God did as Gideon asked. The fleece was dry in the morning, but the ground was covered with dew.

Gideon 'knew' that God exists. He didn't ask God to prove His existence. His 'belief/faith' problem involved what God wanted him to do....if God wanted him to actually do what he somehow sensed was a 'promise' from God. So yes, there 'was' an element of doubt as the message he received was not given to him by the standard sensory perception you referred to. A believer still cannot visually see God. So although the promise is far more solid than any promise man may make, there is 'room' for faith to be practiced, improved upon, etc.

Peter is another example. He received a direct message from God the Father that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. He proclaimed it without asking for confirmation. Yet....

Matthew 14:22-33

New International Version (NIV)
Jesus Walks on the Water

28 “Lord, if it’s you,” Peter replied,“tell me to come to you on the water.”

29 “Come,” he said.

Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus. 30 But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out,“Lord, save me!”

31 Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him.“You of little faith,” he said,“why did you doubt?”

32 And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. 33 Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying,“Truly you are the Son of God.”

He obviously recognized Jesus enough to use His name, but had doubts concerning the circumstance, and whether or not Christ could defy the elements allowing Peter to continue walking on the water.

Can someone 'know' God exists, and still deal with faith and doubt due to limited sensory perception? I would say, yes!
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#3 Nov 5, 2013
There is quite a lot of sociological research that says that, worldwide, the strongest indicator BY FAR of what someone will believe is true (religiously or spiritually speaking) is the religion of their mother.

In other words, those born and raised in Christian environments tend to advocate Christianity and see that as "The Truth." Those born in Muslim environments tend to push Islam, etc. etc.

And yes, Job, there are occasional exceptions.:)

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#4 Nov 5, 2013
Big Al wrote:
Most of the disagreement in this forum, either among Christians or between Christians and atheists and agnostics or those of other faiths is the result of what we believe and what we don't believe. Why do you believe what you believe and disbelieve what you disbelieve? Is it possible that what you believe is incorrect or not true?
When we are out in the rain we don't talk about believing or not believing that it is raining because of our sensory experience we "know" it is raining. However, not everything in life is that obvious especially ideas about "God". Do you just believe what you have been taught in relation to "God" without question or have your beliefs changed over the course of your life due to your life experiences?
A TRUE Christian knows our own salvation experience, and no one can ever make us doubt that. God has to draw a person in to Him (John 6:44), the Holy Spirit convicts the lost soul deep into our very being, and we have the choice to either accept or reject Jesus. It's all or nothing, there is no half-hearted salvation. A TRULY repentant person who surrenders their life completely to Jesus will ALWAYS be a NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST (2 Cor 5:17).

I'm not saying we are perfect, none of us are (1 John 1:8-10), but our lives are changed from the inside out. Salvation is a free gift that cannot be earned, no amount of good works or good deeds can save us (Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5, Romans 5:15, Romans 6:23, Romans 11:6, etc etc).

When we back up our REAL salvation experience with God's Holy Word, we are absolutely confident and bold in our eternal security. We don't serve some weak wishy-washy Saviour who can't keep His own sheep saved (John 10:27-29).

John 6:44- No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:39- And this is the Father's will which hath sent Me, that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

1 John 4:17- Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as He is, so are we in this world.

Philippians 1:6- Being confident of this very thing, that He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

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So yes Big Al, I know for 100% certainty that I'm saved because God's Holy Word guarantees it. I pray that every single person reading this post knows for 100% certainty that they are saved too.

If a person is not 100% sure that they will go to Heaven when they die, then I pray that they get that settled with God today, RIGHT NOW!

I'll provide a few helpful links, a few flash gospel tracts, and a 10 minute you-tube video that I believe does a great job explaining the simple gospel message.

Links:
"Are You Sure About Heaven?"
http://www.swordofthelord.com/salvation.php

"How To Be Saved According to the Word of God"
http://www.soulwinning.info/tracts/how_to_be_...

A simple illustration of the gospel message:
http://img.forministry.com/3/33/33C4F85F-9679...
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Tracts:
"Eternal Life is a Free Gift"
http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/tract_ht...

"God's Message to YOU"
http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/tract_ht...

"The Grace That Saves"
http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/tract_ht...
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You-tube video:
"The Good News / Gospel Message"
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#5 Nov 5, 2013
Job wrote:
My beliefs have changed over a course of time. Prior to becoming a firm believer in Jesus Christ, I identified myself as a Christian twice, both times changing my mind. After becoming a firm believer due to a very profound (ongoing to this day) experience, I've still changed beliefs in other ways, some doctrinal, some social, etc.
I think there is however a misconception concerning faith/belief when it comes to Christianity. The idea is that 'faith' and/or 'belief' in all of it's format is 'blind'. The idea is that if a Christian knew, or claims to know for sure that Jesus Christ exists, Bible is the Word of God, then it wouldn't be 'faith', just as we don't need faith to know that it's actually raining when liquid drops are pelting us.
Of course when we look at the Bible, we certainly see that this is not the case. Take Gideon in the Book of Judges for instance:
Judges 6:33-40
Peter is another example. He received a direct message from God the Father that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. He proclaimed it without asking for confirmation. Yet....
Matthew 14:22-33
New International Version (NIV)
Jesus Walks on the Water
Can someone 'know' God exists, and still deal with faith and doubt due to limited sensory perception? I would say, yes!
I'm sure you believe those stories from the Bible about "God" revealing himself in a sensory manner but atheists, agnostics and those of other faiths do not? What is it that makes a Christian believe while others do not. What is it that makes Christians believe those stories from the Bible but not believe similar stories from other holy books.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#6 Nov 5, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
A TRUE Christian knows our own salvation experience, and no one can ever make us doubt that. God has to draw a person in to Him (John 6:44), the Holy Spirit convicts the lost soul deep into our very being, and we have the choice to either accept or reject Jesus. It's all or nothing, there is no half-hearted salvation. A TRULY repentant person who surrenders their life completely to Jesus will ALWAYS be a NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST (2 Cor 5:17).
I'm not saying we are perfect, none of us are (1 John 1:8-10), but our lives are changed from the inside out. Salvation is a free gift that cannot be earned, no amount of good works or good deeds can save us (Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5, Romans 5:15, Romans 6:23, Romans 11:6, etc etc).
When we back up our REAL salvation experience with God's Holy Word, we are absolutely confident and bold in our eternal security. We don't serve some weak wishy-washy Saviour who can't keep His own sheep saved (John 10:27-29).
John 6:44- No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:39- And this is the Father's will which hath sent Me, that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
1 John 4:17- Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as He is, so are we in this world.
Philippians 1:6- Being confident of this very thing, that He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
==========
So yes Big Al, I know for 100% certainty that I'm saved because God's Holy Word guarantees it. I pray that every single person reading this post knows for 100% certainty that they are saved too.
If a person is not 100% sure that they will go to Heaven when they die, then I pray that they get that settled with God today, RIGHT NOW!
I'll provide a few helpful links, a few flash gospel tracts, and a 10 minute you-tube video that I believe does a great job explaining the simple gospel message.
Links:
"Are You Sure About Heaven?"
http://www.swordofthelord.com/salvation.php
"How To Be Saved According to the Word of God"
http://www.soulwinning.info/tracts/how_to_be_...
A simple illustration of the gospel message:
http://img.forministry.com/3/33/33C4F85F-9679...
----------
Tracts:
"Eternal Life is a Free Gift"
http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/tract_ht...
"God's Message to YOU"
http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/tract_ht...
"The Grace That Saves"
http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/tract_ht...
----------
You-tube video:
"The Good News / Gospel Message"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =NfXybggH4QoXX
You talk about a “salvation experience” which I assume is a subjective personal experience. People of other faiths also talk about personal subjective religious experiences. I would assume that you do not believe that the personal subjective religious experiences of those of other faiths are real. Why do you believe yours is real while those of others are not?
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#7 Nov 5, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
A TRUE Christian knows our own salvation experience, and no one can ever make us doubt that. God has to draw a person in to Him (John 6:44), the Holy Spirit convicts the lost soul deep into our very being, and we have the choice to either accept or reject Jesus. It's all or nothing, there is no half-hearted salvation. A TRULY repentant person who surrenders their life completely to Jesus will ALWAYS be a NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST (2 Cor 5:17).
I'm not saying we are perfect, none of us are (1 John 1:8-10), but our lives are changed from the inside out. Salvation is a free gift that cannot be earned, no amount of good works or good deeds can save us (Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5, Romans 5:15, Romans 6:23, Romans 11:6, etc etc).
When we back up our REAL salvation experience with God's Holy Word, we are absolutely confident and bold in our eternal security. We don't serve some weak wishy-washy Saviour who can't keep His own sheep saved (John 10:27-29).
John 6:44- No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:39- And this is the Father's will which hath sent Me, that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
1 John 4:17- Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as He is, so are we in this world.
Philippians 1:6- Being confident of this very thing, that He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
==========
So yes Big Al, I know for 100% certainty that I'm saved because God's Holy Word guarantees it. I pray that every single person reading this post knows for 100% certainty that they are saved too.
If a person is not 100% sure that they will go to Heaven when they die, then I pray that they get that settled with God today, RIGHT NOW!
I'll provide a few helpful links, a few flash gospel tracts, and a 10 minute you-tube video that I believe does a great job explaining the simple gospel message.
Links:
"Are You Sure About Heaven?"
http://www.swordofthelord.com/salvation.php
Ah yes, once saved, always saved. Isn't THAT comforting? And don't you special just SPECIAL?:)
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#8 Nov 5, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
A TRUE Christian knows our own salvation experience, and no one can ever make us doubt that.
Your God creates BILLIONS of souls in non-Christian environments all around the world: Hindu and Muslim and Buddhist, etc.

Why would he DO that if he is "desirous that none should perish" and the only way to salvation is to "believe in Jesus" and the alternative is never-ending torture in hell?
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#9 Nov 5, 2013
Correction:

And don't you FEEL just SPECIAL?:)

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#10 Nov 5, 2013
Gillette wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah yes, once saved, always saved. Isn't THAT comforting? And don't you special just SPECIAL?:)
Gillette wrote:
Correction:
And don't you FEEL just SPECIAL?:)
Yes I do feel special, Jesus shed His sinless perfect BLOOD to make atonement for MY sin. I'm a forgiven, full pardoned, born again, redeemed, Holy Spirit filled/sealed, saved, blood-purchased, heir of God and joint-heir through Christ! My name is written in the Lamb's Book of Life!

You were correct the first time too, a child of God is special just special! Amen.:)
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#11 Nov 5, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Yes I do feel special, Jesus shed His sinless perfect BLOOD to make atonement for MY sin. I'm a forgiven, full pardoned, born again, redeemed, Holy Spirit filled/sealed, saved, blood-purchased, heir of God and joint-heir through Christ! My name is written in the Lamb's Book of Life!
You were correct the first time too, a child of God is special just special! Amen.:)
Psychologists call this "whistling past the graveyard." :)

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#12 Nov 5, 2013
Big Al wrote:
<quoted text>
You talk about a “salvation experience” which I assume is a subjective personal experience. People of other faiths also talk about personal subjective religious experiences. I would assume that you do not believe that the personal subjective religious experiences of those of other faiths are real. Why do you believe yours is real while those of others are not?
The difference between religious "experience" and TRUE salvation is that God drew me to Him and saved me when I was just a lost Hellbound sinner undeserving of being saved. Meaning, He gave me salvation just as I was at that time. I didn't have to be good enough, or do anything to earn my salvation. It was a complete unmerited FREE gift through my faith and complete surrender to Jesus Christ. Of course, a NEW changed life ALWAYS follows TRUE salvation.

Whereas religion (including many so-called Christian sects) is all about a person trying to earn their salvation. They are going to work their way into Heaven through their own puffed up pride. This isn't REAL salvation in any sense of the word. It doesn't matter that they "feel good" about doing good deeds, or that they "feel like they are good enough for Heaven" or that they "feel good" about going to and/or joining a church, or that a pope pastor priest rabbi etc makes them "feel good" through pats on the back, or that they "feel like" their good outweighs their bad. This is a false religion that leads to the pit of Hell.

Jesus Christ is the ONLY way into Heaven!

John 14:6- Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Acts 4:12- Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
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Romans 10:9-10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#13 Nov 5, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus Christ is the ONLY way into Heaven!
John 14:6- Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John is the only gospel that records the statement, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

If Jesus actually said this to His disciples -- and if in fact it is true and our eternal pain or happiness depends on it -- don't you think all of the gospels would have recorded it?

Would this idea not have survived from the earliest days of Christianity by word of mouth as one of the most important ideas of the new religion?

Why is it not in the Synoptics? And why does it not appear in the earliest writings, the letters of Paul?

Why does it only appear in the last dated of the gospels, nearly 60 years later?

And if Jesus only said this privately to John, I would ask "Why wouldn't John have eagerly passed this on to the other disciples and thus made it a part of their shared understanding? If our eternal destiny depends on it?"

Could it have something to do with the fact that John was probably written in the very late 1st century by the Johanine community in Asia Minor, where they were surrounded by Greek culture with its full pantheon of Gods from which to choose, and at a time (late in the first century) when the new religion was trying to make inroads into this polytheistic Gentile community? A clear statement of exclusivity from "The Son of God" might have been helpful in their missionary efforts.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#14 Nov 5, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
The difference between religious "experience" and TRUE salvation is that God drew me to Him and saved me when I was just a lost Hellbound sinner undeserving of being saved. Meaning, He gave me salvation just as I was at that time. I didn't have to be good enough, or do anything to earn my salvation. It was a complete unmerited FREE gift through my faith and complete surrender to Jesus Christ. Of course, a NEW changed life ALWAYS follows TRUE salvation.
Whereas religion (including many so-called Christian sects) is all about a person trying to earn their salvation. They are going to work their way into Heaven through their own puffed up pride. This isn't REAL salvation in any sense of the word. It doesn't matter that they "feel good" about doing good deeds, or that they "feel like they are good enough for Heaven" or that they "feel good" about going to and/or joining a church, or that a pope pastor priest rabbi etc makes them "feel good" through pats on the back, or that they "feel like" their good outweighs their bad. This is a false religion that leads to the pit of Hell.
Jesus Christ is the ONLY way into Heaven!
John 14:6- Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Acts 4:12- Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
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Romans 10:9-10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
I certainly understand that you believe that you are saved through Jesus, but you wrote…

“A TRUE Christian knows our own salvation experience…”

…which I can only assume is a personal subjective experience. What makes you believe that your personal subjective salvation experience is any more real than the personal subjective religious experience of a person of any other faith?

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#15 Nov 5, 2013
Gillette wrote:
<quoted text>
Your God creates BILLIONS of souls in non-Christian environments all around the world: Hindu and Muslim and Buddhist, etc.
Why would he DO that if he is "desirous that none should perish" and the only way to salvation is to "believe in Jesus" and the alternative is never-ending torture in hell?
We all deserve to burn in Hell. I mean we are ALL sinners, our sin separates us from a Holy God. That's why Jesus came to earth, He left the glory of Heaven, was born of a virgin, lived a perfect sinless life, laid down His prefect sinless life for OUR sin, died on the cross to make atonement for OUR sin, and in 3 days rose from the dead. He did this so that "whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

How do you know God isn't getting the gospel to those people? We send missionaries all over the world. Plus, just because Christianity isn't the dominating religion in those countries, that doesn't mean that there aren't still Christians there sharing the gospel message.

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#16 Nov 5, 2013
Big Al wrote:
Most of the disagreement in this forum, either among Christians or between Christians and atheists and agnostics or those of other faiths is the result of what we believe and what we don't believe. Why do you believe what you believe and disbelieve what you disbelieve? Is it possible that what you believe is incorrect or not true?
When we are out in the rain we don't talk about believing or not believing that it is raining because of our sensory experience we "know" it is raining. However, not everything in life is that obvious especially ideas about "God". Do you just believe what you have been taught in relation to "God" without question or have your beliefs changed over the course of your life due to your life experiences?
Initially, I believed what I've been taught without question but then I started questioning and left certain traditions behind. So for me, my beliefs has changed over many interactions with people and through studying. One can study to increase one's doubt or one can study to help increase one's faith. I chose the latter.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#17 Nov 5, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
We all deserve to burn in Hell.
No, we don't. No one deserves eternal, everlasting torture. That's just a silly assertion.

And any God who employs same is a sick psycho who could not, under any circumstance, be called "good" -- assuming words have any real meaning to you and your co-religinists.

Your religion employs the Arsonist/Fireman tactic: you set a fire, then put on a fireman's outfit and speed in to rescue everyone and put out the fire!
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you know God isn't getting the gospel to those people? We send missionaries all over the world. Plus, just because Christianity isn't the dominating religion in those countries, that doesn't mean that there aren't still Christians there sharing the gospel message.
C'mon, be serious. BILLIONS of people are created BY YOUR GOD in NON-Christian environments where the vast majority go through life PLAINLY being good Muslims or Hindus or Buddhists, according to the cultures YOUR GOD CREATED THEM IN!

How can you (or your God) the turn around and say "Only Jesus gets you into heaven"?

Isn't it OBVIOUS that, according tho the scheme as YOUR GOD as laid it out, BILLIONS of people will be fit for nothing other than eternal torture in hell -- mostly by the accident of their birth, which is actually a deliberate act by your God?

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#18 Nov 5, 2013
Gillette wrote:
<quoted text>
No, we don't. No one deserves eternal, everlasting torture. That's just a silly assertion.
And any God who employs same is a sick psycho who could not, under any circumstance, be called "good" -- assuming words have any real meaning to you and your co-religinists.
Your religion employs the Arsonist/Fireman tactic: you set a fire, then put on a fireman's outfit and speed in to rescue everyone and put out the fire!
<quoted text>
C'mon, be serious. BILLIONS of people are created BY YOUR GOD in NON-Christian environments where the vast majority go through life PLAINLY being good Muslims or Hindus or Buddhists, according to the cultures YOUR GOD CREATED THEM IN!
How can you (or your God) the turn around and say "Only Jesus gets you into heaven"?
Isn't it OBVIOUS that, according tho the scheme as YOUR GOD as laid it out, BILLIONS of people will be fit for nothing other than eternal torture in hell -- mostly by the accident of their birth, which is actually a deliberate act by your God?
It's the oldest game in history; problem/reaction/solution. The very same people who create the problem rush in with the solution. Politicians use it all the time.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#19 Nov 5, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Initially, I believed what I've been taught without question but then I started questioning and left certain traditions behind. So for me, my beliefs has changed over many interactions with people and through studying. One can study to increase one's doubt or one can study to help increase one's faith. I chose the latter.
I don't think you understand what it means to study. If you study something you need to have an open mind in order to allow the information you uncover through your study to lead you to a correct conclusion. If begin your study with the idea that your study will only increase your faith what's the use of studying?

"It is impossible to learn what one thinks one already knows." - Epictetus, ancient Greek philosopher

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#20 Nov 5, 2013
Big Al wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think you understand what it means to study. If you study something you need to have an open mind in order to allow the information you uncover through your study to lead you to a correct conclusion. If begin your study with the idea that your study will only increase your faith what's the use of studying?
"It is impossible to learn what one thinks one already knows." - Epictetus, ancient Greek philosopher
Absolutely correct!

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