What Divides Catholics and Protestants?

[christian rabbi]

sunnstorms wrote:

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And Mark would be wearing a burial linen why? Lazarus had one. He had been buried with it.

the Bible doesnt say it was a burial cloth, so why should you? this was even before Jesus was taken before the high priest. you are really confused about the time and the events. this is in the garden and they were sleeping. it is believed this young man was Mark. a reasonable person could rightly assume it was a blanket that he had over him while sleeping.

LOL.

you cant keep your Bible stories straight

[christian rabbi]

sunnstorms wrote:

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"where according to tradition he served as bishop and was buried after his (second) death."
How could he be a Bishop if he was never a disciple?

the same way that a person could be a bishop today, he was appointed as one, supposedly by Paul and Barnabas.

but he still was not that beloved disciple that John writes about as any person can figure out

[christian rabbi]

sunny,

you are starting to act like paul wva.

his stupidity is rubbing off.lol

[Cruzader99]

sunnstorms wrote:

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1 Peter 1:18
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

Um.. I don't have old Jewish tradition, I have Christian tradition, LOL!

"Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle."

I can play dueling Scriptures all night.

[Cruzader99]

christian rabbi wrote:

<quoted text>so does the Bible if she could read it correctly. it is in Harmony but she isnt.

Some of the things I've heard you say aren't in harmony either so don't get the big head.

You two are living proof of why Sola Scriptura has caused such division among Christians and why it has fractured Protestantism into so many sects.

[sunnstorms]

christian rabbi wrote:

<quoted text>first the house makes no difference to this fooloishness of yours, nor your other questions.
the important thing is that this was the Last supper with His disciples and Lazarus was not there but that beloved disciple was. why is that so dificult for you to understand, unless you are just acting foolish?
<<Also in John 13:18 (when Jesus speaks to the disciples) he says “I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen”.>>
I am certain you know that Jesus was talking about judas
<<Wouldn't He want to spend one last evening with His closest friends? Lazarus, Martha, Mary,..>>
He did want to spend time with his closest friends and he did. he had already left Bethany behind, now He was looking ahead to his death

The list of disciples you posted:
"here is the list of Disciples as recorded by Mark. If you can find the name of Lazarus as being one, i would love to see it since I seem not to find him as a Disciple.

16So he appointed the twelve:* Simon (to whom he gave the name Peter); 17James son of Zebedee and John the brother of James (to whom he gave the name Boanerges, that is, Sons of Thunder); 18and Andrew, and Philip, and Bartholomew, and Matthew, and Thomas, and James son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus, and Simon the Cananaean."

John 6:
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away

So 12 minus many still equals 12 ??? how many of the 12 were left after many left?

Not all the disciples were named in the bible!! Disciples were those who followed Jesus, and Lazarus was a disciple!

[sunnstorms]

christian rabbi wrote:

<quoted text>the Bible doesnt say it was a burial cloth, so why should you? this was even before Jesus was taken before the high priest. you are really confused about the time and the events. this is in the garden and they were sleeping. it is believed this young man was Mark. a reasonable person could rightly assume it was a blanket that he had over him while sleeping.
LOL.
you cant keep your Bible stories straight

If it was Mark, why not say so, instead of just making him an anonymous figure?
The English word “linen” was used to translate several different Greek words, but only two of these Greek words pertain to dead bodies. These two words are both used to describe the material that covered the body of Jesus.
Mark 14:51-52 uses the same word to describe the linen cloth the young man was wearing.
Why would this young man be wearing a burial cloth? Lazarus had one from when he had been buried. Why would this man even be mentioned, since he "apparently" had nothing to do with what was going on...?

[sunnstorms]

Cruzader99 wrote:

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Um.. I don't have old Jewish tradition, I have Christian tradition, LOL!
"Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle."
I can play dueling Scriptures all night.

The NT was written for ALL of us, not just the ones being spoken to at the time. What went for them goes for us.

It was Jewish tradition that called for sacrifice, and it was the same tradition that caused Jesus to be sacrificed for us.

Traditions of men blind you to the Truth.

[Cruzader99]

sunnstorms wrote:

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The NT was written for ALL of us, not just the ones being spoken to at the time. What went for them goes for us.
It was Jewish tradition that called for sacrifice, and it was the same tradition that caused Jesus to be sacrificed for us.
Traditions of men blind you to the Truth.

Oh blah, blah blah. Yea, when I make the sign of the Cross, that blinds me.

When I kneel at Mass in prayer, that blinds me.

When I kneel taking Communion, that blinds me.

When I worship God in a Catholic church that blinds me.

When I go on a retreat to be in silence with God over a weekend, that blinds me.

You're the one that is blind because if you weren't blind then maybe you could see that others can love God outside of your own sect.

[Kentucky Trevor]

sunnstorms wrote:

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The infant church never prayed to Mary, never called her the gate, portal, queen, co-redeemer, mediatrix, never had graven images, and never was set up to have a lordship.
Your church came from faith in Jesus, so yes, your church was one of the first. There were many churches at the time, if you'll remember. Too bad that the catholic faith developed another faith...in its self and it's lordship.
1 Corinthians 2:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

Just a minor techencallity. Mary is not co-redeemer. That is a heresy. The proper term is Co-redemptrix.

In Latin "co" does not mean equal. Jesus is the Redeemer and Mary is the Co-redemptrix. In Latin a Redeemer is greater than a redemptrix, AND if you put co in front of it, it becomes even less.

Mary is ONLY Co-redemptrix because of Jesus is the Redeemer. It just means she participated in our redemption by giving birth to the Redeemer. Basically, she participated in salvation history.

[Kentucky Trevor]

sunnstorms wrote:

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Again, I ask...
Why keep re-sacrificing Jesus?
Hebrews 10:10
By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
The rememberance is to "remember", not re-enact.
Hebrews 6:
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing **they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and **put him to an open shame.**
You *shame* Jesus by repeating the sacrifice! The bible says it, not me. The dangers of upholding traditons of men.
1 Corinthians 2:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

It's not "resacrificing" Jesus. That is a heresy, I am not sure what it is called.

We believe the Sacrifice at the Mass IS the VERY SAME ONE that occured on Calvary! God is not limited by time, that is why we believe each and every Mass is a miracle. Every Mass is the same Sacrific, that Sacrifice is the one taht occured on Calvary 2,000 years ago.

Christians have celebrated the Mass since the Last Supper.

[Dryad]

All for the Love wrote:

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“Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it”(Proverbs 22:6 KJV).

Tahnks, I always forget the location of that verse.

[Dryad]

Nettiebelle wrote:

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You said you have all materials needed to read to understand all about the Catholic faith, yet, you say your husband did not go up to take communion because he said he had not been to confession yet and said that's the reason he gave you. My point is, you claim to understand the Catholic faith because you were married to a Catholic and what you just posted says different.

Whatever Nettie. You make no sense at all.

[sunnstorms]

Kentucky Trevor wrote:

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Just a minor techencallity. Mary is not co-redeemer. That is a heresy. The proper term is Co-redemptrix.
In Latin "co" does not mean equal. Jesus is the Redeemer and Mary is the Co-redemptrix. In Latin a Redeemer is greater than a redemptrix, AND if you put co in front of it, it becomes even less.
Mary is ONLY Co-redemptrix because of Jesus is the Redeemer. It just means she participated in our redemption by giving birth to the Redeemer. Basically, she participated in salvation history.

Good morning, KT!

Thank you for the clarification.

How are you this morning?

[sunnstorms]

Kentucky Trevor wrote:

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It's not "resacrificing" Jesus. That is a heresy, I am not sure what it is called.
We believe the Sacrifice at the Mass IS the VERY SAME ONE that occured on Calvary! God is not limited by time, that is why we believe each and every Mass is a miracle. Every Mass is the same Sacrific, that Sacrifice is the one taht occured on Calvary 2,000 years ago.
Christians have celebrated the Mass since the Last Supper.

What does this mean to you?

Hebrews 6:
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; **seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.**

People obviously can't crucify Jesus again in the flesh, but in reliving that one sacrifice over and over, they are recrucifying Him in spirit.

It was said that the priest makes sacrifices....what is the sacrifice, and why wasn't the one Jesus made sufficient?

[Paul WV]

sunnstorms wrote:

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What does this mean to you?
Hebrews 6:
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; **seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.**
People obviously can't crucify Jesus again in the flesh, but in reliving that one sacrifice over and over, they are recrucifying Him in spirit.
It was said that the priest makes sacrifices....what is the sacrifice, and why wasn't the one Jesus made sufficient?

Hebrew 6:1-3 tells us that we are to leave the "elementary", Fundamentalist, teachings of Christ and go on to "maturity", Catholic teachings. Then in Hebrews 6:4-6 it tells that those who fall into apostasy, the Reformers, are re-crucifying Christ and putting Him up for shame.

Hebrew 6:1-3
Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. And God permitting, we will do so.

Hebrews 6:4-6
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

[TellitTwoHistory]

No matter what you Catholics think, YOU do not

literally eat the Body of Jesus Christ !!

[Nettiebelle]

Dryad wrote:

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Whatever Nettie. You make no sense at all.

LOL, Dryad, you know exactly what I meant.

[Olderndirt]

Obama For Dog Catcher wrote:

Obama: The Bus list
Under the Bus:
Grandma Dunham
Rev. Jeremiah Wright
Fr. Michael Pleger
NEW!Michael Klonsky
Muslim supporters
babies that survive abortion attempts
8,000 Members of Trinity Church of Christ
Samatha Power
Obama advisor/Hamas friend Rob Malley
Clinging to the Bumper :
Marilyn Katz (former SDS radical, Obama campaign PR professional)
Carl Davidson (former SDS radical, Fidel Castro Fan, webmaster of Progressives for Obama)
Michelle Obama
half-brother Abongo Obama, a militant Muslim
"Uncle Frank" Frank Marshall Davis, role
model/mentor and member of the Communist Party
USA, poet who authored "Smash-on, victory-eating Red Army"
Bill Ayers, domestic terrorist and long-time friend
Bernadine Dorhn, Ayer's wife, fellow domestic terrorist. and Manson Family admirer.

Do you get paid for doing this or are you just fixated on the right wingers???

[Obama For Dog Catcher]

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