Is God Cruel?

Is God Cruel?

Created by Missionary Man on Sep 25, 2009

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Missionary Man

Shelby, OH

#82 Sep 27, 2009
Tickedoffchick wrote:
Par five,
"I also find it difficult to understand the mentality of people like Missionary Man who can justify the mass killing of men women children and babies, and even animals, simply because it was carried out by the god he believes in."
Did I say I approve of killing anyone? I too have a problem with killing women, children, etc. It's a very difficult issue for Christians. But God is God. He is sovereign. I accept His sovereignty. He is omniscient. He is infinite God. I am very simply finite Missionary Man. My knowledge is limited to what God has given me in His Word.
Tickedoffchick wrote:
It's a combination of indoctrination and insufficient education,
Why with you people are Christians always considered uneducated (or stupid). I get so tired of hearing that. I never questions ones intellect here so why do you all? Do I really seem uneducated to you? I majored in Biblical Theology in seminary. I am also cross culturally trained in world missions when I attended the School of Missions. I'm educated.
Tickedoffchick wrote:
but, mostly a profound fear of death.
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Nonsense! Deceitful drivel. I do not fear death. Christians look upon death as simply a doorway to eternity. We look forward to seeing Christ in person. We long to be with our Lord and Savior. We also look forward to seeing loved ones who have gone before us. Funerals for Christians are a celebration of a life of gratitude and service. We suffer in this world knowing that we will not suffer in the world to come. Death is a graduation of sorts. Fear death? Not hardly.

[QUOTE who="Tickedoffchick" ]
Although, some have severely addictive personalities and just trade one for another.
Belief system modification:
Establish authority
Get past logic and reason with established doctrine, paradigm.
Make sure your subject has a physical and/or emotional experience.
***Practice on a regular basis****
More deceitful drivel! Typical Atheism.
Missionary Man

Shelby, OH

#83 Sep 27, 2009
Rose wrote:
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The actions of the biblical god demonstrate, "callous indifference to, or pleasure in, causing pain and suffering.". He could stop all disease in an instant, but doesn't. How would you feel about me if I had that power, but didn't use it? I'd be a cruel @%$$.
I think your question is fair. It needs to be answered so I will try. But you probably won't be satisfied. Illness, suffering, and pain are the result of our living in a cursed world—cursed because of our sin (Genesis 3:16-19; Romans 8:20-22). God's goodness and love moved Him to provide a Savior to redeem us from the curse (1 John 4:9-10), but our ultimate redemption will not be realized until God has made a final end of sin in the world. Until that time, we are still subject to physical death.

If God's love required Him to heal every disease and infirmity, then no one would ever die—because "love" would maintain everyone in perfect health. The biblical definition of love is "a sacrificial seeking what is best for the loved one." What is best for us is not always physical wholeness. Paul the apostle prayed to have his "thorn in the flesh" removed, but God said, "No" because He wanted Paul to understand he didn't need to be physically whole to experience the sustaining grace of God. Through the experience, Paul grew in humility and in the understanding of God's mercy and power (2 Corinthians 12:7-10).

The testimony of Joni Eareckson Tada provides a modern example of what God can do through physical tragedy. As a teenager, Joni suffered a diving accident that left her a quadriplegic. In her book Joni, she relates how she visited faith healers many times and prayed desperately for the healing which never came. Finally, she accepted her condition as God's will, and she writes, "The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that God doesn't want everyone well. He uses our problems for His glory and our good" (p. 190).

God can heal and will heal every one of them who trusts Christ as Savior. The healing will come, not as the result of our demanding it now, but in God's own time, possibly in this life, but definitely in Heaven. Until that time, we walk by faith, trusting the God who redeems us in Christ and promises the resurrection of the body."

Sickness and suffering is never an easy thing to deal with. One thing is for sure, sickness should not cause us to lose faith in God. God is good, even when we are suffering. Even the ultimate of suffering—death—is an act of God's goodness. It is hard to imagine that anyone who is in Heaven as a result of sickness or suffering regrets what they went through in this life.

Blessings,
Missionary Man
Missionary Man

Shelby, OH

#84 Sep 27, 2009
HEY wrote:
MM,
Thanks for starting this thread. I have encountered this accusation against God over and over in this, and other forums. This seems to be satan's lie of choice these days.
I am hoping that you are planning to put together the apologetics to counter these lies. Or maybe a link that shows the step by step process that took us from Eden into sin, that brought the curse,to redemption through Christ, to eternal life. Or that took the wicked from the curse, to the rejection of the Cross, to eternity apart from God.
My references and notes are all scattered, and I need to get them together again to deal with this issue.
Thanks again.
I don't know where this thread will go. Please gather up your references and notes. I'd love to read them.

Blessings,
Missionary Man

“Trying to make sense of it all”

Since: Oct 07

Lake Titicaca!

#85 Sep 27, 2009
Missionary Man wrote:
What critics usually do not understand is that God’s love is not diminished when He brings punishment on people. God is able to bring judgment on an evil group of people in order to spare those who are devoted to Him. To allow evil and wrongdoing to go unpunished would indeed be cruel and would indicate a callousness toward the innocent. When God caused the Red Sea to close, drowning Pharaoh's entire army, He was punishing Pharaoh's rebellion against Him and preserving His chosen people from certain slaughter and annihilation (Exodus 14). Wrongdoing that does not result in punishment inevitably results in greater and greater wrongdoing, which benefits no one and is detrimental to the common good. Even when God told the Israelites to completely destroy the enemies of God, including women and children, He knew that to let them live would ensure the existence of future generations devoted to evil idolatrous practices—including in some cases child sacrifices on the altars of false gods.
You are insane and a despicable human being. You have just justified genocide. You are beyond bat shit crazy.
Missionary Man

Shelby, OH

#86 Sep 27, 2009
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Seen and I do not discuss religion.
He has his own beliefs and I do as well.
You know, like YOU have your own beliefs that differ from mine.
You see, Wayne, there are actually some folks who accept these differences and find common ground.
A true Christian loves someone enough to warn them of a soon coming danger. If you were on a railroad track, wouldn't you want me to warn you that a train is quickly approaching? Hell is quickly approaching for many here at Topix. We should warn them. Blessings!
Missionary Man

Shelby, OH

#87 Sep 27, 2009
jesus is wrote:
THE BIBLE CONTAINS GOD'S PLAN FOR THE SALVATION OF MANKIND!
If you read it in full as a story and stop isolating verses you will eventually get to these verses:
EZEKIEL 18:32
"For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!"
EZEKIEL 33:11 "Say to them,'As I live!' declares the Lord GOD,'I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn back, turn back from your evil ways! Why then will you die, O house of Israel?'"
JEREMIAH 31:31
31 "The time is coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them, "declares the LORD.
33 "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people."
Good post! Thank you.
Missionary Man

Shelby, OH

#88 Sep 27, 2009
Brittany wrote:
I love you Jesus. We endure pain... As well as many, many other emotions. Thats not Gods fault. It's our own. We put ourselves in positions that we shouldn't. WE choose to live the life we live.
Thank you for your post Brittany. Blessings!
Thinking

Wickford, UK

#91 Sep 27, 2009
Isn't that the Nuremburg defence? "I don't much like death camps myself but I was only following orders..."

Sick.
Missionary Man wrote:
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Did I say I approve of killing anyone? I too have a problem with killing women, children, etc. It's a very difficult issue for Christians. But God is God. He is sovereign. I accept His sovereignty. He is omniscient. He is infinite God. I am very simply finite Missionary Man. My knowledge is limited to what God has given me in His Word.
<quoted text>
Why with you people are Christians always considered uneducated (or stupid). I get so tired of hearing that. I never questions ones intellect here so why do you all? Do I really seem uneducated to you? I majored in Biblical Theology in seminary. I am also cross culturally trained in world missions when I attended the School of Missions. I'm educated.
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More deceitful drivel! Typical Atheism.

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#92 Sep 27, 2009
Missionary Man wrote:
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I could be mistaken, but it seems to me you don't really except the Bible as God's written Word. Yes, God will judge based upon the state of one's soul at death; rather or not he or she has been born again according to Scripture (John 3). Do all Catholics feel that the Bible is not relevant to God today? Listen please; God wanted us to know what He was thinking, so He gave us the Bible. One can not pick and choose the parts he/she likes and ignore the rest. Either it's all true, or none of it's true. The Bible in its entirety is relevant to who God is, what He's like, what He's thinking, what He wants us to know, etc. The Bible is just as relevant today as it was when it was written.
Hebrews 4:12 says, "For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart." Did you see that? The Word of God (the Bible) judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. While the Bible was completed approximately 1900 years ago, its accuracy and relevance for today remain unchanged. The Bible is the sole objective source of all the revelation God has given us about Himself and His plan for humanity.
You seem to dismiss it as if it's not relevant. God's Word remains relevant. The Bible's most important message—redemption—is universally and perpetually applicable to humanity. God's Word will never be outdated, superseded, or improved upon. Cultures change, laws change, generations come and go, but the Word of God is as relevant today as it was when it was first written. Not all of Scripture necessarily applies explicitly to us today, but all Scriptures contain truth that we can, and should, apply to our lives today.
Blessings,
Missionary Man
You seem to give a vision of God being like Santa, M&Ms, with a list of good and bad deeds.
Thankfully, God is more than that.
God can see your soul, see your goodness and your sins; you are judged by God at the time of death based on the state of your soul.
I just love how slyly you shoved in the 'are all Catholics blah blah blah' in this post!!! One Protestant is not exactly the same or thinks or believes exactly the same as other Protestants either.

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#93 Sep 27, 2009
Missionary Man wrote:
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A true Christian loves someone enough to warn them of a soon coming danger. If you were on a railroad track, wouldn't you want me to warn you that a train is quickly approaching? Hell is quickly approaching for many here at Topix. We should warn them. Blessings!
you do not know for certain even of your own salvation.
Yet, you are so confident you know the state of another person's salvation.
When did God die and appoint YOU God??
slumber

Louisville, KY

#94 Sep 27, 2009
The primary problem with those who defend god is that they have liitle idea of what is happening in the world around them. Cruelty abounds, even if it's not reported on TV news.
How many misery causing diseases can you name?
People starve, succomb to disease, get killed by various methods.
Anyone who thinks torturing people (to a mutilating death) as a mehtod of punishment has got to have rocks in his/her head. Hopefully such people are not, nor ever become parents. Woe foer those children.

“Trying to make sense of it all”

Since: Oct 07

Lake Titicaca!

#95 Sep 27, 2009
slumber wrote:
The primary problem with those who defend god is that they have liitle idea of what is happening in the world around them. Cruelty abounds, even if it's not reported on TV news.
How many misery causing diseases can you name?
People starve, succomb to disease, get killed by various methods.
Anyone who thinks torturing people (to a mutilating death) as a mehtod of punishment has got to have rocks in his/her head. Hopefully such people are not, nor ever become parents. Woe foer those children.
Religion is a disease of the mind. The cure is reason and rationality. But unlike most diseases, people with this disease don't want to be cured of it. They would rather stay in their comfortable cocoon.

“Trying to make sense of it all”

Since: Oct 07

Lake Titicaca!

#96 Sep 27, 2009
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>you do not know for certain even of your own salvation.
Yet, you are so confident you know the state of another person's salvation.
When did God die and appoint YOU God??
He's insane, Nettie, you shouldn't expect him to make any sense. I'm sure in his deluded mind everything is as it should be.

“Life Force One”

Since: Mar 09

The Spiritual Universe

#97 Sep 27, 2009
Wayne wrote:
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This is one of the most simplest,TRUEST posts I have seen. Short and to the point and EXACTLY RIGHT!
So if that's the only true post you've seen, that means all the other Christian posts are lies, including YOUR'S.

“Trying to make sense of it all”

Since: Oct 07

Lake Titicaca!

#98 Sep 27, 2009
Brittany wrote:
I love you Jesus. We endure pain... As well as many, many other emotions. Thats not Gods fault. It's our own. We put ourselves in positions that we shouldn't. WE choose to live the life we live.
Pain isn't an emotion. It's a debilitating condition that makes many people wish they were dead, and in fact makes many people choose death because of it.

How do you figure that starving children in Africa are at fault for their pain? How do you figure that little children deserve to get leukemia, you stupid, stupid child? How do you figure that people are responsible for being born with debilitating pain, you fucking twerp?

And how do you figure that you have the capacity to reason with adults? Stick to your pie-in-the-sky Sunday School fairy tales, and leave the adult discussions to the adults.
Light Sensitive

Massapequa, NY

#99 Sep 27, 2009
Missionary Man wrote:
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A true Christian loves someone enough to warn them of a soon coming danger. If you were on a railroad track, wouldn't you want me to warn you that a train is quickly approaching? Hell is quickly approaching for many here at Topix. We should warn them. Blessings!
still usig this tired old sort of example? what if a boat sinks, what if a train is coming - Im just doing the right thing and warning them.

duh, we can see the train, the tracks, etc...we know trains can come barreling on top of us...

but so far no proof, no "visibles" of your stupid warnings about god and his minions and any thing coming from on high...

empty threats when J-man made 'em, and anyone else with visions of them, and they remain empty.
Light Sensitive

Massapequa, NY

#100 Sep 27, 2009
Missionary Man wrote:
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I don't know where this thread will go. Please gather up your references and notes. I'd love to read them.
Blessings,
Missionary Man
how about you posting the sources for most of your posts??

you continue to copy and paste stuff as if its your own...
Missionary Man

Shelby, OH

#101 Sep 27, 2009
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>you do not know for certain even of your own salvation.
Yet, you are so confident you know the state of another person's salvation.
When did God die and appoint YOU God??
Consider 1 John 5:11-13: "And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life." Who is it that has the Son? It is those who have believed in Him and accepted Him (John 1:12). If you have Jesus, you have life. Not temporary life, but eternal.

Blessings!
Missionary Man

Shelby, OH

#102 Sep 27, 2009
Light Sensitive wrote:
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but so far no proof, no "visibles" of your stupid warnings about god and his minions and any thing coming from on high...
"The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9)

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#103 Sep 27, 2009
Hello Missionary Man, you say you have difficulty regarding your god's instructions to kill women and children. Why the difficulty? Any rational person knows that killing women and children is wrong. Do you, or do you not, think that killing women and children is wrong? This is not a trick question, no rocket science involved. I have read your posts attempting to justify these killings, and quite frankly, despite the fact that you claim you are well educated, I feel it is more a case of you having been well and truly brainwashed.
A murderer telling the court that he killed a mother and her child because, "god told me to" would get him locked up for life, or in some American states, the death penalty! In case you missed it the first time I will ask you again. Do you or do you not believe that killing women and children is wrong?

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