Is God Cruel?

Is God Cruel?

Created by Missionary Man on Sep 25, 2009

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Missionary Man

Shelby, OH

#1 Sep 25, 2009
Please give a reason for your opinion. Thanks!
Missionary Man

Shelby, OH

#2 Sep 25, 2009
There are atheists and agnostics who argue that the God who is presented in the Bible is cruel. For example, the online Skeptics Annotated Bible http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty... has an entire section devoted to biblical passages that, they claim, demonstrate that God is cruel. By labeling God as cruel, they are appealing to our human, moral sensibilities. The word cruelty is defined as "callous indifference to, or pleasure in, causing pain and suffering." The question before us now is, Is God cruel? To answer in the affirmative, we would have to allow that God either doesn’t care about pain and suffering, or He actually enjoys watching His creatures suffer.

The atheists / agnostics who claim that God is cruel have a large burden of proof. They are not merely claiming to know about the actions of God; they are also claiming to sufficiently know the circumstances in which He performed those actions, as well as His motivations. Additionally, they are claiming to know the very mind of God, ascribing to Him the attitudes of indifference and/or sadistic pleasure necessary to define Him as cruel. Quite frankly, this is beyond the skeptics’ ability to demonstrate—they can't possibly know the mind of God. "'For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,' declares the LORD.'As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts'" (Isaiah 55:8-9).
Missionary Man

Shelby, OH

#3 Sep 25, 2009
There is no doubt that God both allows and, at times, causes pain and suffering, but God's goodness cannot be impugned because He commits an act that appears cruel to us. While we can't claim to know His reasoning in every circumstance, we do know several reasons for actions that can appear to us to be cruel, especially if we don't know—or don't bother to find out—the circumstances.

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#4 Sep 25, 2009
No.
Some give God human qualities and looks and emotions.
God is not human, He is pure spirit.
God does not have anger or cruelty. This would go against Divine Nature.
Thinking

Newcastle, UK

#5 Sep 25, 2009
The biblical god is a cruel character who abuses children who haven't even been born yet.
Carrot_Stick

Pompano Beach, FL

#6 Sep 25, 2009
Let's keep this burden of proof business straight. You prove beyond any doubt, and to the satisfaction of all, that the Christian god actually exists and then we'll worry about whether he is cruel or not.
Missionary Man

Shelby, OH

#7 Sep 25, 2009
Nettiebelle wrote:
No.
Some give God human qualities and looks and emotions.
God is not human, He is pure spirit.
God does not have anger or cruelty. This would go against Divine Nature.
Doesn't God show anger in the Bible?
Missionary Man

Shelby, OH

#8 Sep 25, 2009
Carrot_Stick wrote:
Let's keep this burden of proof business straight. You prove beyond any doubt, and to the satisfaction of all, that the Christian god actually exists and then we'll worry about whether he is cruel or not.
So you are abstaining from this debate?

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#9 Sep 25, 2009
Missionary Man wrote:
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Doesn't God show anger in the Bible?
You missed my point, didn't you?

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#10 Sep 25, 2009
Thinking wrote:
The biblical god is a cruel character who abuses children who haven't even been born yet.
I do not even believe in that kind of God.
I believe those barbaric battles did take place during those times and the ones who gave credit to it being the command of God were really just acting upon their own desires.
Missionary Man

Shelby, OH

#11 Sep 25, 2009
To mete out just punishment - If a punishment is just, can it be said to be cruel?
Missionary Man

Shelby, OH

#12 Sep 25, 2009
What critics usually do not understand is that God’s love is not diminished when He brings punishment on people. God is able to bring judgment on an evil group of people in order to spare those who are devoted to Him. To allow evil and wrongdoing to go unpunished would indeed be cruel and would indicate a callousness toward the innocent. When God caused the Red Sea to close, drowning Pharaoh's entire army, He was punishing Pharaoh's rebellion against Him and preserving His chosen people from certain slaughter and annihilation (Exodus 14). Wrongdoing that does not result in punishment inevitably results in greater and greater wrongdoing, which benefits no one and is detrimental to the common good. Even when God told the Israelites to completely destroy the enemies of God, including women and children, He knew that to let them live would ensure the existence of future generations devoted to evil idolatrous practices—including in some cases child sacrifices on the altars of false gods.
Missionary Man

Shelby, OH

#13 Sep 25, 2009
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>You missed my point, didn't you?
Apparently, care to expound?

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#14 Sep 25, 2009
Missionary Man wrote:
To mete out just punishment - If a punishment is just, can it be said to be cruel?
God is constant, even in judgment, God is constant
Missionary Man

Shelby, OH

#15 Sep 25, 2009
Nettiebelle wrote:
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God is constant, even in judgment, God is constant
Agreed!
Thinking

Newcastle, UK

#16 Sep 25, 2009
Screw your fictional god. That is the love of a wife beater. Hitler was very nice to his Alsatians.
Missionary Man wrote:
What critics usually do not understand is that God’s love is not diminished when He brings punishment on people. God is able to bring judgment on an evil group of people in order to spare those who are devoted to Him. To allow evil and wrongdoing to go unpunished would indeed be cruel and would indicate a callousness toward the innocent. When God caused the Red Sea to close, drowning Pharaoh's entire army, He was punishing Pharaoh's rebellion against Him and preserving His chosen people from certain slaughter and annihilation (Exodus 14). Wrongdoing that does not result in punishment inevitably results in greater and greater wrongdoing, which benefits no one and is detrimental to the common good. Even when God told the Israelites to completely destroy the enemies of God, including women and children, He knew that to let them live would ensure the existence of future generations devoted to evil idolatrous practices—including in some cases child sacrifices on the altars of false gods.
Its Me S mil e r here

Finland

#17 Sep 25, 2009
Yes, and one dimension more (3´th eye = 6 sense) gives constant richnes in skills and to speak about dimensions and phenomenas, wich in space 5 dimension living people can not see! See constat and be constant more than others!
Nettiebelle wrote:
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God is constant, even in judgment, God is constant

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#18 Sep 25, 2009
Missionary Man wrote:
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Apparently, care to expound?
I believe God wishes all to be with Him, and I believe He is much more loving and caring than you give God credit for, M&Ms.
You judge others according to your own thoughts as to what scripture means; God does not judge according to the Bible; God judges according to the state of your soul upon death.

Flying_Spaghetti _Monster

Since: May 09

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#19 Sep 25, 2009
Missionary Man wrote:
Please give a reason for your opinion. Thanks!
In my opinion, the christian fundamentalist version of God is cruel. Killing young boys and pregnant women, abducting young girls, stoning disobedient children, burning people, and other such behaviours are not usually seen as kind unless they are viewed through a religious filter of faith.
Missionary Man

Shelby, OH

#20 Sep 25, 2009
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>I believe God wishes all to be with Him,
So do I.
Nettiebelle wrote:
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and I believe He is much more loving and caring than you give God credit for, M&Ms.
Then you don't really know what I believe about God's love, mercy and compassion. God is love, but that doesn't mean He tolerates sin and that doesn't mean that all will inherit the kingdom of God. Those who reject Him will not see heaven.
Nettiebelle wrote:
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You judge others according to your own thoughts as to what scripture means; God does not judge according to the Bible; God judges according to the state of your soul upon death.
The Bible is not really that hard to understand. One just needs to read it and interpret it as it reads and understand the Bible in its normal/plain meaning. The Bible says what it means and means what it says. And I judge no one. It seems you're judging me though. The Word of God judges everyone. I do not compromise the Word of God as I believe you do. But why the accusations? I already have an accuser. He stands before God accusing me night and day. His name is Satan. Why have you decided in your heart to be his advocate and an accuser of Christians as well?

God is the essence of love. "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails" (1 Corinthians 13:4-8a). This is God's description of love, and because God is love (1 John 4:8), this is what He is like.

Blessings,
MM

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