Proof we have a soul.
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Welch, WV

#915 Sep 7, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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You just agreed that people who constantly make stupid statements are Christians.
Way to go!
No. She insulted you but you are too stupid to know it. By your own admission you stated that only Christians make stupid statements so then, YOU are a Christian by that line of reasoning. See? I even had to explain it to you because you are too stupid to figure it out.
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Welch, WV

#916 Sep 7, 2013
feces for jesus wrote:
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You still crippled?
Please flush before you leave a stain.

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#917 Sep 7, 2013
lol wrote:
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In worldly ways? Probably plenty but I don't know of any right off the top of my head.
That’s a fair answer, neither would I name one, not that there isn’t anyone, no, just out of principle!

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#918 Sep 7, 2013
lol wrote:
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I will enjoy walking on your atheistic, arrogant ashes.
Typical Wayne mess.
little lamb

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#919 Sep 7, 2013
lol wrote:
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The quote you use from Daniel, "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt" IS interesting. Where else is the dust used as such?
Genesis 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
But now, to SLEEP in the dust could also mean,
ROmans 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
So, MANY are asleep in the dust because God has caused tem to be.
Or, because the serpent is cursed to eat the dust (Does a snake REALLY eat dust?) This is only a sign of humiliation put upon satan. Satan, who was once Lucifer, the covering cherub of God Himself now eats the dust of the ground. How humiliating it must be for him!
Concerning your question [16] above. No, the resurrection is AFTER HE brings the "dead" with Him.
1Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
This only means the "dead" are already with Him BECAUSE they have went BEFORE us, the living. The living shall in no wise precede the dead for they have ALREADY went on to be with the Lord and He will bring them BACK with Him.
Thanks for the discussion lol..

At the moment what God desires from us, is to love one another so i will let it go now as he does tells us ' knowledge puffs up but love builds up'

This got me to thinking about evolutionists..they tend to believe they have 'knowledge' and they use this so called 'knowledge' as an excuse to hit their fellow man around the head with..but as Christians we know love is superior to knowledge..

and that is something we are given as a fruitage of the spirit.

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#920 Sep 7, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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Thanks for the discussion lol..
At the moment what God desires from us, is to love one another so i will let it go now as he does tells us ' knowledge puffs up but love builds up'
This got me to thinking about evolutionists..they tend to believe they have 'knowledge' and they use this so called 'knowledge' as an excuse to hit their fellow man around the head with..but as Christians we know love is superior to knowledge..
and that is something we are given as a fruitage of the spirit.
Evolutionists are also kind people!

Maybe some of them aren’t, those who don’t quite understand evolution, those who are the believers in the superiority of the “strong”.

Evolution in itself has no heart that is true, it has its cruel ways, but those who go by their hearts and reason all together is most likely to be the winners.
Not that being a “winner” is an ideal, it just tells us that it is the right way!
Life is an art, it also takes brains, but most of it comes from the depths of our sub conscious mind, it depends largely on what secrets we have hidden in there.
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#921 Sep 8, 2013
Mr Ironhart wrote:
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Evolutionists are also kind people!
Maybe some of them aren’t, those who don’t quite understand evolution, those who are the believers in the superiority of the “strong”.
Evolution in itself has no heart that is true, it has its cruel ways, but those who go by their hearts and reason all together is most likely to be the winners.
Not that being a “winner” is an ideal, it just tells us that it is the right way!
Life is an art, it also takes brains, but most of it comes from the depths of our sub conscious mind, it depends largely on what secrets we have hidden in there.
yes it was a foolish statement...some people I have met who love science are very passionate about it..and you are correct they are kind and polite...and I have met religious people, who are very artificial..so I apologize for a foolish statement.

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#922 Sep 8, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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yes it was a foolish statement...some people I have met who love science are very passionate about it..and you are correct they are kind and polite...and I have met religious people, who are very artificial..so I apologize for a foolish statement.
Oh sorry, I didn’t intend to make anyone feel bad!
You don’t have to apologize to me, but thank you anyway; I am usually not so easily insulted.

What makes me really sorry is to see and hear the news about what plain human foolishness does to innocent people, those who just happen to come in the way of some fanatics.

But even fanatics can be excused because they are mostly not aware of what kind of foolishness they are representing.

I can see no other way out of it than knowledge and education, and that people will understand that every single one of us represents a living human being just like ourselves and that some could be more vulnerable in their life.
lol

Welch, WV

#923 Sep 8, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Typical Wayne mess.
Typical Cookie arrogance.
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#924 Sep 8, 2013
Mr Ironhart wrote:
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Oh sorry, I didn’t intend to make anyone feel bad!
You don’t have to apologize to me, but thank you anyway; I am usually not so easily insulted.
What makes me really sorry is to see and hear the news about what plain human foolishness does to innocent people, those who just happen to come in the way of some fanatics.
But even fanatics can be excused because they are mostly not aware of what kind of foolishness they are representing.
I can see no other way out of it than knowledge and education, and that people will understand that every single one of us represents a living human being just like ourselves and that some could be more vulnerable in their life.
I also believe the way out is through knowledge and education..

But it is " taking in knowledge of you the only true God and the one you sent forth Jesus Christ'

so it gets down to whose table one eats off.

Gods word says ' you can not be eating off Jehovah gods table and from the table and demons..and the things the nations sacrifice to are demons not God.'

So its accurate knowledge based on TRUTH [Christ] not fanciful political correctness of the times..passing off as knowledge..

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#925 Sep 8, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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I also believe the way out is through knowledge and education..
But it is " taking in knowledge of you the only true God and the one you sent forth Jesus Christ'
so it gets down to whose table one eats off.
Gods word says ' you can not be eating off Jehovah gods table and from the table and demons..and the things the nations sacrifice to are demons not God.'
So its accurate knowledge based on TRUTH [Christ] not fanciful political correctness of the times..passing off as knowledge..
What we could agree on is that we need knowledge and actions for the good cause and not for the selfish and unscrupulous.
My side is more humanistic and yours is religious, I see no conflict in that as long as we are pulling it in the right direction for mankind.

By the way, if you don’t mind, I had some funny ideas last night, and it came with politics and democratic elections, how it functions today and if there could be a better way of doing it?
There are political parties and politicians elected as representatives among the participating party members.
Then these politicians, still representing the party, goes out and tries to “make friends” with us, but they are still representing a party, not personally you and me.
Actually, what we want is someone closer to represent us, a friend whom we know and can thrust and who don’t speak for causes that we don’t like.
Politics is like choosing among chocolate boxes, there are all sorts inside.
Then I se your Christian belief in a personal “representative” like a kind of perfect politician of democracy, what we should have had, but still don’t have.

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#926 Sep 9, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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Thanks for the discussion lol..
At the moment what God desires from us, is to love one another so i will let it go now as he does tells us ' knowledge puffs up but love builds up'
This got me to thinking about evolutionists..they tend to believe they have 'knowledge' and they use this so called 'knowledge' as an excuse to hit their fellow man around the head with..but as Christians we know love is superior to knowledge..
and that is something we are given as a fruitage of the spirit.
You're clearly ignorant about science, so allow me to put things in perspective for you.

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on knowledge that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation. Scientists create scientific theories from hypotheses that have been corroborated through the scientific method, then gather evidence to test their accuracy. As with all forms of scientific knowledge, scientific theories are inductive in nature and aim for predictive and explanatory force.

The strength of a scientific theory is related to the diversity of phenomena it can explain, which is measured by its ability to make falsifiable predictions with respect to those phenomena. Theories are improved as more evidence is gathered, so that accuracy in prediction improves over time. Scientists use theories as a foundation to gain further scientific knowledge, as well as to accomplish goals such as inventing technology or curing disease.

Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge. This is significantly different from the word "theory" in common usage, which implies that something is unsubstantiated or speculative.

Christianity is an unscientific theory - you have a belief but no proof. Your belief is based on personal experience which has not been scientifically tested or corroborated. I'm not saying that what you have experienced isn't real, just that it's only real to you. If you took LSD and "tripped" you would also have had a real experience, but again it would only be real to you: trees don't talk, and rainbows don't flow from a glass of milk.

Now back to science and scientific theories...

Chemistry is a science, based on the scientific theory of collision, the kinetic theory of gases, the Lewis theory, molecular theory, molecular orbital theory, transition state theory, valence bond theory, etc. All of these theories are accurate and all of them have led to discoveries and inventions that have practical value for plants and humans and the rest of the animal kingdom.

Biology is a science, and it's based on theories as well, such as cell theory, germ theory, and the theory of evolution. Evolutionary biology is itself a science, and the study of evolutionary biology has also led to discoveries and inventions that have practical value for plants and humans and the rest of the animal kingdom.

Can you say the same about Christianity? No. There is no practical value in Christianity. It cannot improve the quality of life of plants and humans and the rest of the animal kingdom. It cannot be used as the basis for scientific inquiry. It cannot make scientific predictions that can be tested and replicated.

Christianity is a belief system that is based on unverifiable personal anecdotes and hopes and wishes.

Science is not religion, and vice versa. To continue to believe that evolution is a belief system, or that Christians have "proved" that God exists and that Jesus died and redeemed the sins of mankind, is to engage in ignorant and irrational thinking.

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#927 Sep 9, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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yes it was a foolish statement...some people I have met who love science are very passionate about it..and you are correct they are kind and polite...and I have met religious people, who are very artificial..so I apologize for a foolish statement.
Well THAT was refreshing!

:)
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#928 Sep 9, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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You're clearly ignorant about science, so allow me to put things in perspective for you.
A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on knowledge that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation. Scientists create scientific theories from hypotheses that have been corroborated through the scientific method, then gather evidence to test their accuracy. As with all forms of scientific knowledge, scientific theories are inductive in nature and aim for predictive and explanatory force.
The strength of a scientific theory is related to the diversity of phenomena it can explain, which is measured by its ability to make falsifiable predictions with respect to those phenomena. Theories are improved as more evidence is gathered, so that accuracy in prediction improves over time. Scientists use theories as a foundation to gain further scientific knowledge, as well as to accomplish goals such as inventing technology or curing disease.
Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge. This is significantly different from the word "theory" in common usage, which implies that something is unsubstantiated or speculative.
Christianity is an unscientific theory - you have a belief but no proof. Your belief is based on personal experience which has not been scientifically tested or corroborated. I'm not saying that what you have experienced isn't real, just that it's only real to you. If you took LSD and "tripped" you would also have had a real experience, but again it would only be real to you: trees don't talk, and rainbows don't flow from a glass of milk.
Now back to science and scientific theories...
Chemistry is a science, based on the scientific theory of collision, the kinetic theory of gases, the Lewis theory, molecular theory, molecular orbital theory, transition state theory, valence bond theory, etc. All of these theories are accurate and all of them have led to discoveries and inventions that have practical value for plants and humans and the rest of the animal kingdom.
Biology is a science, and it's based on theories as well, such as cell theory, germ theory, and the theory of evolution. Evolutionary biology is itself a science, and the study of evolutionary biology has also led to discoveries and inventions that have practical value for plants and humans and the rest of the animal kingdom.
Can you say the same about Christianity? No. There is no practical value in Christianity. It cannot improve the quality of life of plants and humans and the rest of the animal kingdom. It cannot be used as the basis for scientific inquiry. It cannot make scientific predictions that can be tested and replicated.
Christianity is a belief system that is based on unverifiable personal anecdotes and hopes and wishes.
Science is not religion, and vice versa. To continue to believe that evolution is a belief system, or that Christians have "proved" that God exists and that Jesus died and redeemed the sins of mankind, is to engage in ignorant and irrational thinking.
Its really wonderful when you think of it..the intelligence that is locked away in the creation.

You give glory to men for searching and finding and collating these gems...and you give glory to their intelligence..

But I see a little deeper , all this knowledge and all this information that as we seek we find..I know that it took an intelligence to create it in the first place

It is written ' It is glory of God to hide a matter, and the glory of Kings to search it out.'

The death and resurrection of Christ is the gospel witness accounts of a promise that was given in the old testament of one who would come and bear the sins of many....prophesy and witness accounts ..

i believe...in believing I recognize that I am in need of help...to be a beloved child of God.
lol

Welch, WV

#929 Sep 9, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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Well THAT was refreshing!
:)
It is a sure bet YOU aren't that accepting, right? But when people SORT OF apologize to you (And I'll never know why she did) you act as it it is expected.
lol

Welch, WV

#930 Sep 9, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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You're clearly ignorant about science, so allow me to put things in perspective for you.
.
You are clearly ignorant about what science is and what is expected of it so let me enlighten you.

Science; the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

Intellectual. Many Christians are intellectual but arrogant atheists like YOU dismiss them as unlearned as soon as you find out they are believers. Science does NOT just belong to the secular atheists no matter what you think. To the contrary, it is the secular atheists that make a mockery of TRUE science.

Science is to used to benefit mankind. What benefit is it to mankind to believe he is nothing but a glorified ape? Does that somehow make him smarter?

The natural world. Any thoughtful human being KNOWS that the natural world DEMANDS a Creator. Any thoughtful human being understands by default that this world and universe didn't just HAPPEN.

A list of scientists and their belief in a God of Nature.

1) Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543)
2) Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1627)
3) Johannes Kepler (1571-1630)
4) Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) It was the Roman Catholic CHurch that persecuted him, not Christians.
5) Rene Descartes (1596-1650)
6) Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
7) Isaac Newton (1642-1727)
8) Robert Boyle (1791-1867)
9) Michael Faraday (1791-1867) Whom without we would not be using our computers and all that stuff you atheists always arrogantly bring up as if atheists are the reason we have them.
10) Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/scie...

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#931 Sep 10, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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Its really wonderful when you think of it..the intelligence that is locked away in the creation.
You give glory to men for searching and finding and collating these gems...and you give glory to their intelligence..
But I see a little deeper , all this knowledge and all this information that as we seek we find..I know that it took an intelligence to create it in the first place
It is written ' It is glory of God to hide a matter, and the glory of Kings to search it out.'
The death and resurrection of Christ is the gospel witness accounts of a promise that was given in the old testament of one who would come and bear the sins of many....prophesy and witness accounts ..
i believe...in believing I recognize that I am in need of help...to be a beloved child of God.
Once again you've exposed yourself as a hypocrite.

You said the other day that the knowledge Man has gained about evolution is false, and now you're saying that God created everything, even evolution, so that Man would find God in God's creation.

Many evolutionary biologists are devout Christians. They're do not take the Bible literally, as you do.

They've been able to reconcile the irrefutable proof that evolution takes place with their devout faith in God and Jesus.

It's a pity you are incapable of doing the same.

You've created a straw man and, having painted yourself into a corner, cannot back out.

I pity you for your willful ignorance. You've completely missed the forest for the tree that Jesus was hanged from.

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#932 Sep 10, 2013
lol wrote:
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You are clearly ignorant about what science is and what is expected of it so let me enlighten you.
Science; the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.
Intellectual. Many Christians are intellectual but arrogant atheists like YOU dismiss them as unlearned as soon as you find out they are believers. Science does NOT just belong to the secular atheists no matter what you think. To the contrary, it is the secular atheists that make a mockery of TRUE science.
Science is to used to benefit mankind. What benefit is it to mankind to believe he is nothing but a glorified ape? Does that somehow make him smarter?
The natural world. Any thoughtful human being KNOWS that the natural world DEMANDS a Creator. Any thoughtful human being understands by default that this world and universe didn't just HAPPEN.
A list of scientists and their belief in a God of Nature.
1) Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543)
2) Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1627)
3) Johannes Kepler (1571-1630)
4) Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) It was the Roman Catholic CHurch that persecuted him, not Christians.
5) Rene Descartes (1596-1650)
6) Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
7) Isaac Newton (1642-1727)
8) Robert Boyle (1791-1867)
9) Michael Faraday (1791-1867) Whom without we would not be using our computers and all that stuff you atheists always arrogantly bring up as if atheists are the reason we have them.
10) Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/scie...
Let's be clear, Wayne: there are several types of Christians.

Many, such as the ones you referred to, were both devout Christians and scientists who made real and important contributions to science.

To them, God revealed himself in His creation.

To people like you, God only revealed himself in the Bible.

Do you see why most people here refuse to take your side? You're saying that the MAN MADE Bible contains the truth about the revealed God, but that GOD'S CREATION does not.

You're incredibly ignorant, and willfully so. That's why you;re a bigoted fool.

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#933 Sep 10, 2013
lol wrote:
<quoted text>Science is to used to benefit mankind. What benefit is it to mankind to believe he is nothing but a glorified ape? Does that somehow make him smarter?
We humans share 99% of our DNA with chimpanzees and bonobos. Genetically speaking, we're almost the same animal.

We share about 97.5% of our DNA with mice. That's why we test new drugs on mice - because we're so similar, if the drugs produce the desired outcome in mice they will very likely produce the same result in humans.

Many Christians are intellectual when it comes to science, but most evangelical Christians are idiots. They're blinded by superstition and thus cannot comprehend the overwhelming proof that humans evolved from a lower mammal several million years ago.

You're one of the idiots, Wayne. You think that you can't be a Christian and accept evolution, but tens of millions of Christians have proved you can.

You just don't want to. It's easier for you to justify your bigotry and hatred towards your fellow man that way.

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#934 Sep 10, 2013
lol wrote:
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You are clearly ignorant about what science is and what is expected of it so let me enlighten you.
Enlighten me by explaining the difference between a theory and a scientific theory. If you can do that then I'll entertain your opinions.

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