Xtians will you make the case
Darius

Long Beach, CA

#359 Jan 18, 2013
Mrs-Whitewater wrote:
Anyone ever stop to wonder....
How did Adam and Eve procreate other races?
Here's one theory, Genesis 11:1 tells us the whole earth spoke the same language at one time. God supernaturally confused the languages at the tower of Babel and scattered them to different geographic regions around the earth. "Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of the whole earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of the whole earth" (Gen. 11:9). Before the modern days of rapid travel, we know that different races were located in various parts of the world. Since the different languages began at the tower of Babel, how did the people with the same languages find each other? It is not unreasonable to assume that when God miraculously changed their speech, He also changed their races at the same time. The people grouped together according to their appearances and languages, and then migrated to their various countries.

Of course, this is only speculation because the Bible is silent when it comes to the origin of races. However, we do know that everyone on earth descended from one woman, the various races had to come into being sometime after the flood, the various languages had their origin at the Tower of Babel, and the different people-groups were scattered over the earth after God changed the languages.
http://www.kentcrockett.com/biblestudies/race...
Rand M Sutor

United States

#360 Jan 18, 2013
In giving His life for our sins, God HAD to take on the form of man, because it is not possible that God, in His eternal state could die, and the Old Testament abounds with prophecies of the Messiah's coming!

We will all be judged one day for the deeds done in the flesh, but to imagine that God Himself, the second person of the God Head, Jesus Christ, came to this earth and took on the form of man, to become a sacrifice for our sins and wrongs is almost unimaginable. He actually made a way of escape from future judgement for us by sacrificing His own life.

When Jesus Christ took those whipping, they also pulled the hair from His face,(as prophesied in Isaiah) and pummeled Him near to death at that time, then He allowed them to nail Him to that cross!

When He died, He said "IT IS FINISHED!". Jesus's sacrifice made provision for the forgiveness of the sins of the WHOLE world. But it is up to each person (who desires to do so) to come to God by faith in Christ AND the work that He did on the cross "FOR" us. The WORK IS FINISHED!

So please understand that you CANNOT EARN your salvation!!! Jesus earned it for you!!! The Father is saying that you (anyone) can come into MY Heaven when He dies, "IF" you will acknowledge that My Son Jesus is the One Who made it possible for you to be forgiven!
Rand M Sutor

United States

#361 Jan 18, 2013
The constant mockery of Christ and His followers, that goes on in this forum is a disgrace! But even much worse than that is that you people are hardening your hearts against your salvation and the One who acquired it for you!

Have any of you ever heard of Voltaire, the French athiest? He use to stand in fields shaking His fist at the heavens, and cursing God with every fowl word imaginable! He use to draw g-r-e-a-t crowds while doing this. He would say to God "If you really exist, stike me down with a bolt of lightening" and He would continue to curse Him, daring God to take his life.

People began to send Voltaire money from all over the world. He was no pauper to begin with, but made a fortune at his foolish mockery of God.

He spent the latter days of his life in an insane asylum, and when the nurse who was assigned to him would enter his room, she would often find him on the floor in a corner swinging his arms wildly, saying "Get them away from me", speaking of the demons that he said were closing in on him.

That nurse was so terrified by the fright on that man's face that she later said she wouldn't watch another infidel die for all the riches in Europe. Voltaire was so hardened by his life time of foolishness, that he could not turn his heart to trust the One who provided his salvation for him!

The very house where Voltaire lived, was purchased and has been used for printing Bibles for decades!
Voltaire has been gone a long time, but the mercy of God endures forever! Will you come to Jesus today? Will you submit your life to God and humbly ask Him to forgive you of your sins?

God has done all he can do for you! The WORK IS FINISHED, but the decision is your's!

I, as a Christian, have made the case for you!
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#363 Jan 18, 2013
Rand M Sutor wrote:
In giving His life for our sins, God HAD to take on the form of man, because it is not possible that God, in His eternal state could die, and the Old Testament abounds with prophecies of the Messiah's coming!
1.) God HAD TO DO no such thing. He's GOD, remember, dunce? He could have just FORGIVEN Adam and Eve their "horrible sin." Indeed, your God; ETERNAL COVENANT with the Jews, his people, is based on just this promise of FORGIVENESS whenever they repent and sincerely come back to him.

I like THAT God a whole lot better than your creepy, legalistic, TORTURER God.

And your :prophecies" are bullshit, which I will demonstrate to you if the opportunity arises.
Rand M Sutor wrote:
We will all be judged one day for the deeds done in the flesh, but to imagine that God Himself, the second person of the God Head, Jesus Christ, came to this earth and took on the form of man, to become a sacrifice for our sins and wrongs is almost unimaginable.
Yes, because it's bizarre and convoluted and ultimately stupid. No WONDER it's "hard to imagine."
Rand M Sutor wrote:
Jesus's sacrifice made provision for the forgiveness of the sins of the WHOLE world. But it is up to each person (who desires to do so) to come to God by faith in Christ AND the work that He did on the cross "FOR" us. The WORK IS FINISHED!
By your dubious theology, it isn't "FINISHED" until YOU do something. YOU are controlling your own salvation. YOU save yourself,apparently. Jesus has NOTHING TO SAY about it, as long as you say the magic words. The HUBRIS!

If it were Jesus controlling your salvation, then by dying on the cross it would, indeed be FINISHED and everyone would be going to heaven.

What a stupid, crudely legalistic form of Christianity you people push. Honestly.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#364 Jan 18, 2013
Rand M Sutor wrote:
The constant mockery of Christ and His followers, that goes on in this forum is a disgrace!
Go over to the Atheism forum or any other religion's forum and see creepy Jesus freaks like you making endless mockery of the beliefs of others.
Rand M Sutor wrote:
But even much worse than that is that you people are hardening your hearts against your salvation and the One who acquired it for you!
I think if we are hardened against anything by now, it is against the idiot, birdbrain theological interpretations of people like you and your fundie pastors and Bible teachers.
Rand M Sutor wrote:
Voltaire has been gone a long time, but the mercy of God endures forever!
Your cruel, self-serving fictions about Voltaire are duly note, creep.
Rand M Sutor wrote:
but the mercy of God endures forever! Will you come to Jesus today? Will you submit your life to God and humbly ask Him to forgive you of your sins?
God has done all he can do for you!
This is the God who will burn and torture me for all eternity without ceasing if I am a Muslim, for example, and insist on continuing to believe in the God of MY culture (or a Hindu, or a Buddhist, etc.), right?

Sorry, I don't worship sadistic M-Fers. You are entitled to your crude God. You and he deserve each other.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#365 Jan 18, 2013
Rand M Sutor wrote:
I, as a Christian, have made the case for you!
My, my, aren't YOU something!

I say unto you, pompous ass, you HAVE your reward!

“Just Call It Marriage Now”

Since: Sep 08

All rights For All!

#366 Jan 18, 2013
Darius wrote:
<quoted text>Here's one theory, Genesis 11:1 tells us the whole earth spoke the same language at one time. God supernaturally confused the languages at the tower of Babel and scattered them to different geographic regions around the earth. "Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of the whole earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of the whole earth" (Gen. 11:9). Before the modern days of rapid travel, we know that different races were located in various parts of the world. Since the different languages began at the tower of Babel, how did the people with the same languages find each other? It is not unreasonable to assume that when God miraculously changed their speech, He also changed their races at the same time. The people grouped together according to their appearances and languages, and then migrated to their various countries.
Of course, this is only speculation because the Bible is silent when it comes to the origin of races. However, we do know that everyone on earth descended from one woman, the various races had to come into being sometime after the flood, the various languages had their origin at the Tower of Babel, and the different people-groups were scattered over the earth after God changed the languages.
http://www.kentcrockett.com/biblestudies/race...
But not every one on earth did descend from one woman and one man. You are forgetting about Nod and Cain's wife, who, according to appropriate age for marrying and procreating, would have had to have been there before Adam and Eve: or at least at the same time.

Either way, the fact remains that Cain did not marry his sister but another woman from another city. Another city named Nod? Where did this come from? If someone knew about it to write of it in the Bible, why then was it not discussed? Why is Eve named the first woman when the fact is that there was at least one more?

“Just Call It Marriage Now”

Since: Sep 08

All rights For All!

#367 Jan 18, 2013
Baby's Way
by Rabindranath Tagore (Hindu Poet)

If Baby only wanted to, he could fly up to heaven this moment.
It is not for nothing that he does not leave us.
He loves to rest his head on mother's bosom,
and cannot ever bare to lose sight of her.
Baby knows all manner of wise words,
though few on earth can understand their meaning.
It is not for nothing that he never wants to speak.
The one thing he wants is to learn mother's words from mother's lips.
That is why he looks so innocent.
Baby had a heap of gold and pearls,
yet he came like a beggar on to this earth.
It is not for nothing he came in such a disguise.
This dear little naked mendicant pretends to be utterly helpless,
so that he may beg for mother's wealth of love.
Baby was so free from every tie in the land of the tiny crescent moon.
It was not for nothing he gave up his freedom.
He knows that there is room for endless joy in mother's little corner of a heart,
and it is sweeter far than liberty to be caught and pressed in her dear arms.
Baby never knew how to cry.
He dwelt in the land of perfect bliss.
It is not for nothing he has chosen to shed tears.
Though with the smile of his dear face he draws mother's yearning heart to him,
yet his little cries over tiny troubles weave the double bond of pity and love.

“Just Call It Marriage Now”

Since: Sep 08

All rights For All!

#368 Jan 18, 2013
And here is one that I really love. I think it is a good one for a new couple.:)

"I Am Love"

"Some say I can fly on the wind, yet I haven’t any wings.
Some have found me floating on the open sea, yet I cannot swim.
Some have felt my warmth on cold nights, yet I have no flame.
And though you cannot see me,
I lay between two lovers at the hearth of fireplaces.

I am the twinkle in your child’s eyes.
I am hidden in the lines of your mother's face.
I am your father's shield as he guards your home.
And yet… Some say I am stronger than steel, yet I am as fragile as a tear.

Some have never searched for me, yet I am around them always.
Some say I die with loss, yet I am endless.
And though you cannot hear me, I dance on the laughter of children.

I am woven into the whispers of passion.
I am in the blessings of Grandmothers.
I embrace the cries of newborn babies.
And yet… Some say I am a flower, yet I am also the seed.

Some have little faith in me, yet I will always believe in them.
Some say I cannot cure the ill, yet I nourish the soul.
And though you cannot touch me, I am the gentle hand of the kind.

I am the fingertips that caress your cheek at night.
I am the hug of a child.
I am love.”
Darius

Long Beach, CA

#369 Jan 18, 2013
Mrs-Whitewater wrote:
<quoted text>
But not every one on earth did descend from one woman and one man. You are forgetting about Nod and Cain's wife, who, according to appropriate age for marrying and procreating, would have had to have been there before Adam and Eve: or at least at the same time.
Either way, the fact remains that Cain did not marry his sister but another woman from another city. Another city named Nod? Where did this come from? If someone knew about it to write of it in the Bible, why then was it not discussed? Why is Eve named the first woman when the fact is that there was at least one more?
That's why I call that website author his theory because no one alive today can know for sure what happened at that time.
Sola Scriptura

Statts Mills, WV

#370 Jan 18, 2013
Gillette wrote:
<quoted text>
Ask yourself why religious leaders who lived the Torah as the word of God and part an eternal covenant would want to stone or kill someone who claimed to be God.
Because to a Jew, only GOD is GOD, not a man. There is ample precedent in their history of relationship to their God and in their Law of Moses that God was ONE and supernatural and NO apparent precedent for God appearing AS A MAN.
So they were doing what they thought was right according to their eternal covenant with their GOD.
Exactly. But my pompous idiot, Jesus IS God. God appeared as a man to Abraham on His way to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. There is your precedent.
Sola Scriptura

Statts Mills, WV

#371 Jan 18, 2013
Gillette wrote:
<quoted text>
1.) God HAD TO DO no such thing. He's GOD, remember, dunce? He could have just FORGIVEN Adam and Eve their "horrible sin." Indeed, your God; ETERNAL COVENANT with the Jews, his people, is based on just this promise of FORGIVENESS whenever they repent and sincerely come back to him.
I like THAT God a whole lot better than your creepy, legalistic, TORTURER God.
And your :prophecies" are bullshit, which I will demonstrate to you if the opportunity arises.
<quoted text>
Yes, because it's bizarre and convoluted and ultimately stupid. No WONDER it's "hard to imagine."
<quoted text>
By your dubious theology, it isn't "FINISHED" until YOU do something. YOU are controlling your own salvation. YOU save yourself,apparently. Jesus has NOTHING TO SAY about it, as long as you say the magic words. The HUBRIS!
If it were Jesus controlling your salvation, then by dying on the cross it would, indeed be FINISHED and everyone would be going to heaven.
What a stupid, crudely legalistic form of Christianity you people push. Honestly.
Full of yourself aren't you, you arogant ass? Full of something else too.

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#372 Jan 18, 2013
Sola Scriptura wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly. But my pompous idiot, Jesus IS God. God appeared as a man to Abraham on His way to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. There is your precedent.
That doesn't mean God is a man or has a human body, Wayne.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#373 Jan 18, 2013
Darius wrote:
<quoted text>Here's one theory, Genesis 11:1 tells us the whole earth spoke the same language at one time. God supernaturally confused the languages at the tower of Babel and scattered them to different geographic regions around the earth. "Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of the whole earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of the whole earth" (Gen. 11:9). Before the modern days of rapid travel, we know that different races were located in various parts of the world. Since the different languages began at the tower of Babel, how did the people with the same languages find each other? It is not unreasonable to assume that when God miraculously changed their speech, He also changed their races at the same time. The people grouped together according to their appearances and languages, and then migrated to their various countries.
Of course, this is only speculation because the Bible is silent when it comes to the origin of races. However, we do know that everyone on earth descended from one woman, the various races had to come into being sometime after the flood, the various languages had their origin at the Tower of Babel, and the different people-groups were scattered over the earth after God changed the languages.
http://www.kentcrockett.com/biblestudies/race...
Christianity, the religion of making up stupid sh*t.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#374 Jan 18, 2013
Sola Scriptura wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly. But my pompous idiot, Jesus IS God. God appeared as a man to Abraham on His way to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. There is your precedent.
God was not, is not, and never could be a physical man.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#375 Jan 18, 2013
Sola Scriptura wrote:
<quoted text>
Full of yourself aren't you, you arogant ass? Full of something else too.
And to those reading these posts, Sola here claims to be a Christian. Funny hey?
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#376 Jan 19, 2013
Rand M Sutor wrote:
In giving His life for our sins, God HAD to take on the form of man, because it is not possible that God, in His eternal state could die,......Jesus's sacrifice made provision for the forgiveness of the sins of the WHOLE world.
I wonder if you know enough about the history of your own religion to know that "Jesus died for our sins" is not and never HAS been, the only way that Christians have understood the death of Jesus, both down through time and also around the world today in Greek and Russian Orthodoxy and the various other forms of eastern Christianity?

Penal Substitution vs. Christus Victor
http://therebelgod.com/cross_intro.shtml

Also....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substitutionary_...

Quote:

Many but by no means all ancient and modern branches of Christianity embrace substitutionary atonement as the central meaning of Jesus' death on the cross. These branches however have developed different theories of atonement. The Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholics do not incorporate substitutionary atonement in their doctrine of the Cross and Resurrection. The Roman Catholic Church incorporates it into Aquinas' Satisfaction doctrine rooted in the idea of penance. Most Evangelical Protestants interpret it largely in terms of penal substitution.[27]

Many of the Church Fathers, including Justin Martyr, Athanasius and Augustine incorporate a theory of substitutionary atonement into their writings. However, the specific interpretation as to what this suffering for sinners meant differed to some extent. It is widely held that the early Church Fathers, including Athanasius and Augustine, taught that through Christ's vicarious suffering in humanity's place, he overcame and liberated humanity from sin, death, and the devil.[27]

Thus, while the idea of substitutionary atonement is present in nearly all atonement theories, the specific idea of satisfaction and penal substitution are later developments in the Roman Catholic church and in Calvinism.[28]
He is Coming Soon

Since: Dec 12

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#377 Jan 19, 2013
-The Star Reborn- wrote:
<quoted text>
And to those reading these posts, Sola here claims to be a Christian. Funny hey?
Yep. Shame on you!:( Sola. Sure you are washed in the blood?
He is Coming Soon

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#378 Jan 19, 2013
Rand M Sutor wrote:
The constant mockery of Christ and His followers, that goes on in this forum is a disgrace! But even much worse than that is that you people are hardening your hearts against your salvation and the One who acquired it for you!
Have any of you ever heard of Voltaire, the French athiest? He use to stand in fields shaking His fist at the heavens, and cursing God with every fowl word imaginable! He use to draw g-r-e-a-t crowds while doing this. He would say to God "If you really exist, stike me down with a bolt of lightening" and He would continue to curse Him, daring God to take his life.
People began to send Voltaire money from all over the world. He was no pauper to begin with, but made a fortune at his foolish mockery of God.
He spent the latter days of his life in an insane asylum, and when the nurse who was assigned to him would enter his room, she would often find him on the floor in a corner swinging his arms wildly, saying "Get them away from me", speaking of the demons that he said were closing in on him.
That nurse was so terrified by the fright on that man's face that she later said she wouldn't watch another infidel die for all the riches in Europe. Voltaire was so hardened by his life time of foolishness, that he could not turn his heart to trust the One who provided his salvation for him!
The very house where Voltaire lived, was purchased and has been used for printing Bibles for decades!
Voltaire has been gone a long time, but the mercy of God endures forever! Will you come to Jesus today? Will you submit your life to God and humbly ask Him to forgive you of your sins?
God has done all he can do for you! The WORK IS FINISHED, but the decision is your's!
I, as a Christian, have made the case for you!
Whew! Good stuff!!! AMEN!!!!
He is Coming Soon

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

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