Xtians will you make the case

Xtians will you make the case

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Punisher

Tuckahoe, NY

#1 Jan 10, 2013
for this oft heard claim of Moral Absolutism...?

What are they and how are they absolute, and why?

Are the 10 commandments absolutes? Is there wiggle room in any of them?

Do it the right way - define terms, explain, don’t preach, when you use a B-quote explain why you're using it, define the terms therein when you think needed...explain your exceptions,(should there be any exceptions?) and why they are allowed...

Pretend you are being tested by Your God to convince him of your understanding of His morality. Pretend you are teaching an Alien who has asked you to explain why You think your Belief system is superior, has taken the mantle of THE Moral Arbiter, and why it should be such.

And for extra credit, explain (similarly) why it’s morally/ethically and logically acceptable for Him to not do as he says. Why is the Law Maker exempt? Is that truly a good model for anything/one?

HOUSE RULES;

1. ANY posts that merely run a list of Bible quotes are to be IGNORED! Everyone you read that clearly? If someone posts a laundry list of B-quotes we are to ignore them. Even if they include a small preamble – which is likely not to be explanatory in any real way.(Let’s look to Roman Rode Hard as example of such a post)

2. Don’t make shyte up. Don't make up claims, or rely on claims about other belief systems as to their basis, credibility, etc.

3. Don’t argue against another system to prove yours better. Argue yours!

3a. Do NOT compare and contrast belief systems. You may use another to use/borrow an idea. For example; Why the after-life of any other Religion is truly any different than Yours.

Any takers? Let me/us hear it, make the case. Treat it like you're talking to someone mostly new to this World.

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#2 Jan 10, 2013
Punisher, you lack the basic understanding of the Christian faith. We are saved by grace through faith in the shed BLOOD of Jesus: His sinless life, death, and resurrection from the dead.(John 3:15-18, Romans 10:9-13, John 5:24, 1 Corinthians 15:1-8)

We cannot earn our salvation. It is a free gift from God through our Lord and Savior Jesus.(Ephesians 2:8-9) Only apostate cults teach salvation through works since that's not what the Word of God states.

When I stand before the Holy Lord, I will claim the BLOOD, nothing but the BLOOD of Jesus. I already received my pardon when I became a blood bought, blood purchased, Holy Spirit filled and sealed, saved child of the living God. Amen.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#3 Jan 10, 2013
Punisher wrote:
for this oft heard claim of Moral Absolutism...?
What are they and how are they absolute, and why?
Are the 10 commandments absolutes? Is there wiggle room in any of them?
Do it the right way - define terms, explain, don’t preach, when you use a B-quote explain why you're using it, define the terms therein when you think needed...explain your exceptions,(should there be any exceptions?) and why they are allowed...
Pretend you are being tested by Your God to convince him of your understanding of His morality. Pretend you are teaching an Alien who has asked you to explain why You think your Belief system is superior, has taken the mantle of THE Moral Arbiter, and why it should be such.
And for extra credit, explain (similarly) why it’s morally/ethically and logically acceptable for Him to not do as he says. Why is the Law Maker exempt? Is that truly a good model for anything/one?
HOUSE RULES;
1. ANY posts that merely run a list of Bible quotes are to be IGNORED! Everyone you read that clearly? If someone posts a laundry list of B-quotes we are to ignore them. Even if they include a small preamble – which is likely not to be explanatory in any real way.(Let’s look to Roman Rode Hard as example of such a post)
2. Don’t make shyte up. Don't make up claims, or rely on claims about other belief systems as to their basis, credibility, etc.
3. Don’t argue against another system to prove yours better. Argue yours!
3a. Do NOT compare and contrast belief systems. You may use another to use/borrow an idea. For example; Why the after-life of any other Religion is truly any different than Yours.
Any takers? Let me/us hear it, make the case. Treat it like you're talking to someone mostly new to this World.
I'd have to say that I'm as curious as you are to see how they respond. My personal belief is that God watches over me and has put me on a path that He believes is right for me, I expect no one to agree with me, but I am also tired of being told that my beliefs are wrong.

Peace
Punisher

Tuckahoe, NY

#4 Jan 10, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
Punisher, you lack the basic understanding of the Christian faith. We are saved by grace through faith in the shed BLOOD of Jesus: His sinless life, death, and resurrection from the dead.(John 3:15-18, Romans 10:9-13, John 5:24, 1 Corinthians 15:1-8)
We cannot earn our salvation. It is a free gift from God through our Lord and Savior Jesus.(Ephesians 2:8-9) Only apostate cults teach salvation through works since that's not what the Word of God states.
When I stand before the Holy Lord, I will claim the BLOOD, nothing but the BLOOD of Jesus. I already received my pardon when I became a blood bought, blood purchased, Holy Spirit filled and sealed, saved child of the living God. Amen.
Here folks is the type of post I referred to...to be ignored.

Thanks Roman Rode Hard.

“Just Call It Marriage Now”

Since: Sep 08

All rights For All!

#5 Jan 10, 2013
Case: Why don't I have a religion?
Author: Mrs. Whitewater
Status: Married Lesbian

Introduction -
I have been asked many times what faith or religion I am. When I respond that I really do not have a formal faith or religion but if pushed I would have to say that I am of Wiccan/Lakota faith, I get the most puzzeled looks and an endless array of questions on why I follow Wicca.

Research -
I have searched for many years for what would be the "right" faith for me. I was raised Christian. My parents visited churches from the Baptisit faith to Methodist, to non-denominational churches. I found most have the same doctorine and believe in the Holy Bible.http://www.biblegateway. com/. I do not believe the Holy Bible is the inspired word of God and I do not believe in Jesus the way Christians do. I will cover why I believe as I do later. Please keep reading.

When I was in my early twenties, I met friends at work who were Wiccan.( http://www.mysticmooncoven.org/rede.htm ) I gave the faith a thought or two for a few months. Nothing was "all inspiring" so I set it aside. In my late twenties, I spent much time with the Lakota Nation people.http://www.indians.org/ articles/lakota-indians.html

In my middle thirties, I again looked at the Wicca faith and just what they were all about. Do I see myself as a witch? No. But I do see myself as a spiritual being who was devinely made. I do use part of the Wicca creed as my life guide: "First Do No Harm, Then Do As You Will".

Conclusion -
Now to the "why". In my life, I have discovered that I do not believe anymore in the Bible because, as an avid reader and writer, I can not bide with the contradictions and the human sacrifices I have found in the Holy Bible.( http://ffrf.org/legacy/books/lfif/... ). I do not follow the entire Wiccan Rede.( http://wicca.com/celtic/wicca/rede.htm ) The Wiccan Rede requires much and I do not heed all of it.I believe in God ( http://carm.org/who-is-god ) and God only! I do not believe in a man written book that has been rewritten and rewritten and rewritten.(
) The Bible has never brought people to God. I believe it is God's call upon a person's heart that brings them to believe. Not a church, not a human, but God!

I do not believe in Jesus.( http://www.youtube.com/watch... ). I believe he was a man, who just like the other 16 'saviors' of this world,( http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/ke... ) whom God used as a vessel of His word. Ever seen the movie "Oh God"?( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oh,_God !).

I know God and God alone is real and works in and around my life and the lives of others. I Know I do not now and most likely may never know why or how God exisit and I am ok with that. God is God and no one else! I pray to Him and Him alone. He alone walks in the garden with me when I am lonely and confused and broken hearted; and He alone guides my heart. When I rejoice in the wonders and happiness in my life, I know I am rejoicing in what God has given me.

Literature Review -

Bible Gateway.Com
http://www.biblegateway.com/

Can You Trust the Bible Historically?
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

The Celtic Connection
http://wicca.com/celtic/wicca/rede.htm

Freedom From Religion Foundation.Org
http://ffrf.org/legacy/books/lfif/...

Indians.Org
http://www.indians.org/articles/lakota-indian...

Mystic Moon Coven.Org
http://www.mysticmooncoven.org/rede.htm

The Secular Web
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/ke...

Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oh,_God !

“Just Call It Marriage Now”

Since: Sep 08

All rights For All!

#6 Jan 10, 2013
But I am not a Christian so I guess my work was a mute point. Oh well, I had fun doing it.:)

Bright Blessings,
Mrs Whitewater
James

Indian Trail, NC

#7 Jan 10, 2013
Punisher wrote:
for this oft heard claim of Moral Absolutism...?
What are they and how are they absolute, and why?
Are the 10 commandments absolutes? Is there wiggle room in any of them?
Do it the right way - define terms, explain, don’t preach, when you use a B-quote explain why you're using it, define the terms therein when you think needed...explain your exceptions,(should there be any exceptions?) and why they are allowed...
Pretend you are being tested by Your God to convince him of your understanding of His morality. Pretend you are teaching an Alien who has asked you to explain why You think your Belief system is superior, has taken the mantle of THE Moral Arbiter, and why it should be such.
And for extra credit, explain (similarly) why it’s morally/ethically and logically acceptable for Him to not do as he says. Why is the Law Maker exempt? Is that truly a good model for anything/one?
HOUSE RULES;
1. ANY posts that merely run a list of Bible quotes are to be IGNORED! Everyone you read that clearly? If someone posts a laundry list of B-quotes we are to ignore them. Even if they include a small preamble – which is likely not to be explanatory in any real way.(Let’s look to Roman Rode Hard as example of such a post)
2. Don’t make shyte up. Don't make up claims, or rely on claims about other belief systems as to their basis, credibility, etc.
3. Don’t argue against another system to prove yours better. Argue yours!
3a. Do NOT compare and contrast belief systems. You may use another to use/borrow an idea. For example; Why the after-life of any other Religion is truly any different than Yours.
Any takers? Let me/us hear it, make the case. Treat it like you're talking to someone mostly new to this World.
Is there any wiggle room? Since everyone built their own religion, I think yes! What do you think about God having some poor guy stoned to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath(Numbers 15: 32-36) but today we have preachers working on the Sabbath while being paid by the church!
What

Ava, MO

#8 Jan 10, 2013
What a bunch of self deluded Satanic dribble. LOL!

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#9 Jan 10, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>
Here folks is the type of post I referred to...to be ignored.
Thanks Roman Rode Hard.
Why not just tell us what you want us to post? <sarcasm>

It's supposed to be the Christian area of Topix. I explained my basic Christian beliefs as taught in the Holy Bible in a very short post. I should have just posted scripture, since it's what I base all my belief on. Jesus Christ is the ONLY way into Heaven!

A link to help explain some so-called bible contradictions (there are none when the scriptures are taken in their proper context).

http://www.berenddeboer.net/sab/
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==========

John 14:6- Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1 Timothy 1:15- This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

2 Corinthians 5:21- For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.

Colossians 1:14- In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

==========
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A great self-explanatory salvation story:

Acts 16:25-33
25 And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.

26 And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed.

27 And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.

28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.

29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#10 Jan 10, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
Why not just tell us what you want us to post? <sarcasm>
It's supposed to be the Christian area of Topix. I explained my basic Christian beliefs as taught in the Holy Bible in a very short post. I should have just posted scripture, since it's what I base all my belief on. Jesus Christ is the ONLY way into Heaven!
A link to help explain some so-called bible contradictions (there are none when the scriptures are taken in their proper context).
http://www.berenddeboer.net/sab/
==========
==========
John 14:6- Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
1 Timothy 1:15- This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
2 Corinthians 5:21- For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
Colossians 1:14- In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
==========
==========
A great self-explanatory salvation story:
Acts 16:25-33
25 And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.
26 And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed.
27 And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.
28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.
29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
Hey NAtive...>GS=GodSmacked outted you....ROFLMAO!!!!
James

Indian Trail, NC

#11 Jan 10, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
Quote modified by ignore a thumper for Android
What?

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#12 Jan 10, 2013
James wrote:
<quoted text>What?
It's Native...there is no understanding it.

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#13 Jan 10, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey NAtive...>GS=GodSmacked outted you....ROFLMAO!!!!
You think everyone is GodSmacked and Native. How am I both of those and everyone else that I've been accused of being? The truth is much simpler, I'm just RR.

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#14 Jan 10, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
You think everyone is GodSmacked and Native. How am I both of those and everyone else that I've been accused of being? The truth is much simpler, I'm just RR.
Nope....never mentioned socks...

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/delano-ca/T62...

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GodSmacked wrote:
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Nice to see you CD. HS is still attacking Native over and over and is using proxy's now. It is so sad.

So you're saying RR is Native, huh?

ROFLMAO!!!

Just mentioned that GS outted RR as being Native...aka Penny...
Punisher

Brooklyn, NY

#15 Jan 11, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
Why not just tell us what you want us to post? <sarcasm>
It's supposed to be the Christian area of Topix. I explained my basic Christian beliefs as taught in the Holy Bible in a very short post. I should have just posted scripture, since it's what I base all my belief on. Jesus Christ is the ONLY way into Heaven!
A link to help explain some so-called bible contradictions (there are none when the scriptures are taken in their proper context).
http://www.berenddeboer.net/sab/
==========
==========
John 14:6- Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
1 Timothy 1:15- This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
2 Corinthians 5:21- For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
Colossians 1:14- In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
==========
==========
A great self-explanatory salvation story:
Acts 16:25-33
25 And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.
26 And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed.
27 And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.
28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.
29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
You're blatantly off topic. Reread the post. I asked a rather specific Question. I didn't ask about YOUR Beliefs.

I'm not going to go off on You, or your post, but you're off topic. Why, I can only guess.
Punisher

Brooklyn, NY

#16 Jan 11, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
Why not just tell us what you want us to post? <sarcasm>
.
I asked a question - can you answer it?
Punisher

Brooklyn, NY

#17 Jan 11, 2013
James wrote:
<quoted text>Is there any wiggle room? Since everyone built their own religion, I think yes! What do you think about God having some poor guy stoned to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath(Numbers 15: 32-36) but today we have preachers working on the Sabbath while being paid by the church!
Again, off topic. Reread my original post.
Punisher

Brooklyn, NY

#18 Jan 11, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>
It's Native...there is no understanding it.
Off topic, Dont derail things for your silly agenda.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#19 Jan 11, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
P
When I stand before the Holy Lord, I will claim the BLOOD, nothing but the BLOOD of Jesus. I already received my pardon when I became a blood bought, blood purchased, Holy Spirit filled and sealed, saved child of the living God. Amen.
This is legalistic, Pharisaical Christianity at it most clear. It's all a clear cut, transparent LEGAL TRANSACTION to you, isn't it?

You seem to think YOU will save yourself, and not that it's your God's choice who he wants in heaven with him for all eternity. LOL!
James

Charlotte, NC

#20 Jan 11, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, off topic. Reread my original post.
Sorry I'm not qualified to answer so I promise to keep my mouth shut and just watch. I do enjoy reading your posts and this is a good one.

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