Is Paul a false Apostle?

Since: Oct 07

Sheffield, UK

#648 Oct 8, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
If a man will deceive you...how much more a woman?
who knows both are capable of deception
no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#649 Oct 8, 2013
loveismygoal wrote:
<quoted text>Could be ..If Paul is a false prophet and faked his conversion to infiltrate Christianity and turn people from Christs Gospel to a false Gospel then it would be
or it could be a mistranslation ,it could have been added to or something could be taken away from it .
All I know is for me the Bible reads Christ chooses twelve and names them apostles ,then there is one apostle down and another replaces him and the foundations of Gods holy city is built on the foundations of twelve Apostles who are named .Along comes a man whos been perecuting the Church and a party to murder who has been transformed by the light of Christ and gives three differing versions of what happenned ..A man whos first miracle was to blind a man on which their is no scriptural evidence of Christ given that authority, the opposite in fact of what Christ commmanded ..As Christ had already warned of antichrists coming in his name wearing sheeps clothing and to test the spirit ..so yeah good chance it is incorrect and He wasnt an Apostle of Christs after all ..so I am testing him ..So far He is not doing too well in my eyes and we havent even got to the Gospel he preaches yet nor the lies he admits too ...so Yeah I would think so ..something yet may pop up in his favour to sway me..I doubt it though
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So let's see. You consider Paul a false prophet which means all the books Paul wrote are invalid (13 or 14 books). Peter acknowledges him as a brother and those books are now invalid (2 books). Acts 1 to is okay to prove he wasn't an apsotle but Acts 14:14 acknowledging him as an apostle (which we agree that he's not one of the twelve) is invalid due to a supposed mistranslation, which now puts the books of Acts and Luke in jeaopardy (2 books). You're down to 9 books in your bible...lol..... Really?.... You don't hear the Holy spirit speaking through any of those Jewish men in any of those other 18 books. None of their doctrines are matching up with Jesus'? Really? Do you realize what happens if those men actually had the Holy Spirit and you deny or reject (blaspheme) any part of their message. Be careful my friend. Someone is throwing you into confuion and I don't think it's Paul. Again, be careful Loveismygoal.Shalom
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no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#650 Oct 8, 2013
loveismygoal wrote:
<quoted text>Lol no need to thank me ..Im enjoying our discussion and discovering new things and being reminded of old things
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“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#651 Oct 8, 2013
no-one-special wrote:
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Let me try again. These three things below alone tell me they all knew sacrifices in the sanctuary would cease. Paul is not the only one to tell us this.
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1.) First we have John the Baptist telling us Jesus was the Lamb of God who takes away the SINS OF THE WORLD (not sins for the time being) but for the WORLD. How else should we read that? Keep in mind also that when John saw the Pharisees he said to them "who warned you to flee from the coming wrath."
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2.) We also see in Matthew 24 Jesus telling his disciples that the Temple and Holy city would be destroyed while also making a reference to Daniel chapter 9 that tells us when the sanctuary and holy city were destroyed the sacrifices and burnt offerings would CEASE. Jesus and his Jewish followers knew exactly what was going to happen once the Messiah was cut off because Daniel told them.
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3.) Then we have Jesus tell the renters (Pharisees) that if they rejected God's sevants (apostles) sent to them ,(servants who by the way kept telling decades after that sacrifices were not needed any more because he was a spotless lamb slain for sins of the world), that the king would come back and bring them to their wretched end. And as we all know they beat and killed the servants and in 70 a.d. well he brought them and their sacrifices to an end.
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And then there is Ezekiel, who was allegedly a prophet, and therefore speaking for the God of the Bible, who said that once the Temple is rebuilt, the sacrifices WILL resume. Are you saying that Ezekiel was not a prophet, that he spoke falsely?

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#652 Oct 8, 2013
Hardie-Har-Har wrote:
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Hey MoonGod Worseshipper,
Show us in the Bible where it says "NO MAN CAN DIE FOR ANOTHER'S SINS.",... and then apply that to the Bible's Savior, Jesus!
Hardie-Har-Har!
Psst:
Why do you avoid spelling out "JESUS" and substitute the Islamic denigrating smear,... "J----"???
Why not admit that you are a "Flygerian" Muslim ...
and cut your hide-and-seek closet-muslim ruse; aka, "Fly-Sh!t"??
Deuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#653 Oct 8, 2013
no-one-special wrote:
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Hello Flygerian
Seems neither one of us will budge. It's obvious that you're convinced in what you believe, which i'm fine with, and I'm convinced in what I believe. We'll just have to agree to disagree again and leave it at that. And at the end of the day you listen to the Prophets and Moses and the commandments given to him by god almighty (with the exception of the sacrificial laws due to having no Temple at this point in time) and I listen to the one in the NT who rose from the dead and told me to listen and keep the commmandments of Moses (with the the exception of sacrificial laws due to no Temple at this point in time). So as you can see we both have no choice but to keep the same commandments. The only difference in our beliefs is that I believe he was a final permanent sin offering 2,000 years ago where living stones are being built into a spiritual temple and you believe sacrifices for sin will once again be carried out by a high priest in another future physical temple. Maybe you're right about the Temple and i'm wrong or vice versa but is it going to matter in in the end if righteousness is what God Almighty really desires. I hope you understand. It's always a pleasure speaking with you and looking to having other discussions in the future. Shalom good buddy :)
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Except...

If the God of the Bible is real, and He inspired Moses to write the books of the Torah, then worshiping a false god like Jesus is an abomination, equating him with the God of the
Bible is blasphemy, and calling him the Messiah is foolish beyond words.

Of course, if there is no God behind the Bible at all, then you are free to worship anyone you wish.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#654 Oct 8, 2013
Hardie-Har-Har wrote:
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BINGO!!... THANX,...
I nailed your closeting Muslim ass real good!!!... There's no where to hide in this Christian Forum,... You're naked to all!!
LMFAO!!
ps:
Just for your edification,...
The Bible teaches that "JESUS DIED FOR OUR SINS!" (John 3:16 etal)
So you are challenging that and calling the Bible a book of lies,...
Jest like any indecent Muslim would do!... "J---s C---st"!!
Hardie-Har-Har!
Hmm, reading comprehension problems?

Those that show that Paul was a false prophet do so by showing what the Bible actually says about various topics, and thus show that Paul is in violation of the commandments, and that Paul is deliberately leading people away from the teachings of the God of the Bible.

In other words, it is not that the Bible is a book of lies, just that the "new" testament is full of lies and errors.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#655 Oct 8, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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Lol just to highlight your ignorance when it comes to this.....
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2 things...
1. Where did I call the bible a book of lies?
2. Would Muslims AND Hebrews/Jews not say that Jesus dying for our sins is a lie? If so, why would I automatically be a muslim by stating this? Why arent you calling Liam a muslim who has been stating the same thing I am? lol You're pretty weak when it comes to this.
Oh well. Call me a muslim if you like. Its only you deflecting from whatever convo we're on lol
Given that I now have the words "No Allah, know peace" showing up with each post I make, it is a little hard for anyone to claim that I am a Muslim...
no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#656 Oct 9, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Except...
If the God of the Bible is real, and He inspired Moses to write the books of the Torah, then worshiping a false god like Jesus is an abomination, equating him with the God of the
Bible is blasphemy, and calling him the Messiah is foolish beyond words.
Of course, if there is no God behind the Bible at all, then you are free to worship anyone you wish.
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For one, I worship the God that Moses and Jesus told me to worship. Second, I also listen to the one who rose from the dead who also told me to listen to Moses and the Prophets. This brings us to the angel "who is like God". I'm not saying this angel was the Most High because angels are created beings but he did appear face to face with Abraham,Jacob,Moses (Exodus3), Gideon (Judges 6:22), ect... as God Almighty's emissary and refer to himself as the God of Bethel (bethel means House of God)

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---Genesis 31:11-13 And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I. And he said, Lift up now thine eyes, and see, all the rams which leap upon the cattle are ringstraked, speckled, and grisled: for I have seen all that Laban doeth unto thee. I am the God of Bethel, where thou anointedst the pillar, and where thou vowedst a vow unto me: now arise, get thee out from this land, and return unto the land of thy kindred.

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So to say that a being was never equated with God in Old Testament times or NT for that matter is simply not true.

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no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#657 Oct 9, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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LUKE 16:29-30 "Abraham replied,'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.' "'No, father Abraham,' he said,'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.' "He said to him,'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"

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no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#658 Oct 9, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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And then there is Ezekiel, who was allegedly a prophet, and therefore speaking for the God of the Bible, who said that once the Temple is rebuilt, the sacrifices WILL resume. Are you saying that Ezekiel was not a prophet, that he spoke falsely?
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He didn't speak falsely and neither did he expect a Gentile atheist to be his translator.

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Now, as every one knows the Temples (plural) had always represented the House of God. The House of God is also the place where the ark of the covenant would be kept. A covenant that we all know is everlasting (eternity--past,present,future ---eternity). Which means the Temples have always represented the House of God in it's entirety (eternity--past, present, future--eternity). We're sacrifices not offered in the first and second Temple. Yes. Now this brings us to a prophecy of Ezekiel prior to him telling us about his vision of another Temple. In Ezekiel 36:26-27 it says:
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"I (God) will give you (Israel) a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws."

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And this is what I believe that meant:


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----1 PETER 2:4-7 Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture,“Behold, I lay in Zion A chief cornerstone, elect, precious, And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.” Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient,“The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone,”

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----EPHESIANS 2:19-23 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

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----1 Corinthians 3:16-17 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

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no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#659 Oct 9, 2013
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----JEREMIAH 31:33-34 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying,‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

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---JOEL 2:27-29 Then you shall know that I am in the midst of Israel: I am the Lord your God And there is no other. My people shall never be put to shame.“And it shall come to pass afterward That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,Your old men shall dream dreams,Your young men shall see visions. And also on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days.

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Acts 2:17---Acts 10:45---Hebrews 10:15-17----Romans 2:14-16
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“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#660 Oct 9, 2013
no-one-special wrote:
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For one, I worship the God that Moses and Jesus told me to worship. Second, I also listen to the one who rose from the dead who also told me to listen to Moses and the Prophets. This brings us to the angel "who is like God". I'm not saying this angel was the Most High because angels are created beings but he did appear face to face with Abraham,Jacob,Moses (Exodus3), Gideon (Judges 6:22), ect... as God Almighty's emissary and refer to himself as the God of Bethel (bethel means House of God)
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---Genesis 31:11-13 And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I. And he said, Lift up now thine eyes, and see, all the rams which leap upon the cattle are ringstraked, speckled, and grisled: for I have seen all that Laban doeth unto thee. I am the God of Bethel, where thou anointedst the pillar, and where thou vowedst a vow unto me: now arise, get thee out from this land, and return unto the land of thy kindred.
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So to say that a being was never equated with God in Old Testament times or NT for that matter is simply not true.
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Ah, the ignorance of xians...

The Hebrew word that you see as "God" is the word <el>. Check the context of the word as it is used throughout the Bible. Like the word "Lord", it is sometimes used to refer to a God, and it was the name of a God of the neighboring people, but it does not, in and of itself, mean "God" in the sense of the God of the Bible, any more than "Lord" does.

In other words, yes, it is ABSOLUTELY TRUE that no other being is or could be equated with the God of the Bible

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#661 Oct 9, 2013
no-one-special wrote:
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LUKE 16:29-30 "Abraham replied,'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.' "'No, father Abraham,' he said,'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.' "He said to him,'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"
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As usual, xians can't even understand what is written in their own so-called "scripture".

The Bible REQUIRES the rich to aid the poor, that was the Law, as passed down from the God of the Bible through Moses. Luke was saying that even if LAZARUS were to come back from the dead, the brothers would continue to ignore the Laws of Moses.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#662 Oct 9, 2013
no-one-special wrote:
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He didn't speak falsely and neither did he expect a Gentile atheist to be his translator.
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Now, as every one knows the Temples (plural) had always represented the House of God. The House of God is also the place where the ark of the covenant would be kept. A covenant that we all know is everlasting (eternity--past,present,future ---eternity). Which means the Temples have always represented the House of God in it's entirety (eternity--past, present, future--eternity). We're sacrifices not offered in the first and second Temple. Yes. Now this brings us to a prophecy of Ezekiel prior to him telling us about his vision of another Temple. In Ezekiel 36:26-27 it says:
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"I (God) will give you (Israel) a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws."
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And this is what I believe that meant:
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----1 PETER 2:4-7 Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture,“Behold, I lay in Zion A chief cornerstone, elect, precious, And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.” Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient,“The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone,”
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----EPHESIANS 2:19-23 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
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----1 Corinthians 3:16-17 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.
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So, Ezekiel starts out with this:
Ezekiel 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

So, obviously, this is a Messianic prophesy, to be fulfilled sometime in the future. It is followed with this:

Ezekiel 40:1 In the five and twentieth year of our captivity, in the beginning of the year, in the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after that the city was smitten, in the selfsame day the hand of the LORD was upon me, and brought me thither.
40:2 In the visions of God brought he me into the land of Israel, and set me upon a very high mountain, by which was as the frame of a city on the south.
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40:5 And behold a wall on the outside of the house round about, and in the man's hand a measuring reed of six cubits long by the cubit and an hand breadth: so he measured the breadth of the building, one reed; and the height, one reed.

So, unless you are trying to say that Jesus worshipers are 6 cubits wide and 6 cubits tall, the verses you posted are completely irrelevant to the discussion of the coming of the third Temple.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#663 Oct 9, 2013
no-one-special wrote:
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----JEREMIAH 31:33-34 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying,‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
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---JOEL 2:27-29 Then you shall know that I am in the midst of Israel: I am the Lord your God And there is no other. My people shall never be put to shame.“And it shall come to pass afterward That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,Your old men shall dream dreams,Your young men shall see visions. And also on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days.
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Acts 2:17---Acts 10:45---Hebrews 10:15-17----Romans 2:14-16
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Re Acts 10:45...
Deuteronomy 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

The verses from Romans merely shows, yet again, that Paul was a false prophet.(When read in the full context of the passage.)
no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#664 Oct 9, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Ah, the ignorance of xians...
The Hebrew word that you see as "God" is the word <el>. Check the context of the word as it is used throughout the Bible. Like the word "Lord", it is sometimes used to refer to a God, and it was the name of a God of the neighboring people, but it does not, in and of itself, mean "God" in the sense of the God of the Bible, any more than "Lord" does.
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In other words, yes, it is ABSOLUTELY TRUE that no other being is or could be equated with the God of the Bible
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So there is no angel in the OT named "who is like God"?...lol.... Oh Gentiles

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no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#665 Oct 9, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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As usual, xians can't even understand what is written in their own so-called "scripture".
The Bible REQUIRES the rich to aid the poor, that was the Law, as passed down from the God of the Bible through Moses. Luke was saying that even if LAZARUS were to come back from the dead, the brothers would continue to ignore the Laws of Moses.
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Uh..duhhh...but in this we Jesus telling us that if we don't want to end up on the wrong side of the chasm we might want to listen to Moses and the Prophets and repent. Gentiles always have a hard time listening to the one who rose from the dead.

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no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#666 Oct 9, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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So, Ezekiel starts out with this:
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Ezekiel 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

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So, obviously, this is a Messianic prophesy, to be fulfilled sometime in the future. It is followed with this:
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Yes it's a messianic prophecy and gathering them back to their land is also happening as we speak . Btw...is the "house" of Israel a literal house with windows and stuff or an assembly of Israelites?

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Liam R wrote:
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Ezekiel 40:1 In the five and twentieth year of our captivity, in the beginning of the year, in the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after that the city was smitten, in the selfsame day the hand of the LORD was upon me, and brought me thither.
40:2 In the visions of God brought he me into the land of Israel, and set me upon a very high mountain, by which was as the frame of a city on the south.
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40:5 And behold a wall on the outside of the house round about, and in the man's hand a measuring reed of six cubits long by the cubit and an hand breadth: so he measured the breadth of the building, one reed; and the height, one reed.

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So, unless you are trying to say that Jesus worshipers are 6 cubits wide and 6 cubits tall, the verses you posted are completely irrelevant to the discussion of the coming of the third Temple.
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Don't forget what was said earlier in Ezekiel 36:

26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I WILL REMOVE FROM YOU YOUR HEART OF STONE and give you a heart of flesh.27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.


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no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#667 Oct 9, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Deuteronomy 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
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The verses from Romans merely shows, yet again, that Paul was a false prophet.(When read in the full context of the passage.)
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---JOHN 4:22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.

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