Is Paul a false Apostle?

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#318 Sep 23, 2013
lol wrote:
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The abomination of desolation is STILL to come. You have no one worshiping anyone in Israel now as Jesus Christ. THAT is the purpose of satan, to be worshiped as Christ.
This is still future.
But worshiping a false god like Jesus is in and of itself an abomination. So are the teachings of Mohammud.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#319 Sep 23, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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And this is why I told you to stop talking with me lol. I mean we can discuss whatever you want to this is a forum and its what Im here for. But if you dont want to discuss whatever topic is at hand lets just leave it at that and we wont interact with one another.
Its clear from the post that I was waiting for you to back up what you said about Zedekiah being the "righteous branch" in Jeremiah 33. Instead of doing that you harp on that little tidbit in which I was waiting for you to bring SUPPORT for what you said. And its not like Im acting as if Im an authority over you lol. I just want you to BACK UP what you say. Meaning explaining why its Zedekiah with MORE than your own words. Can you do it? Probably not. So lets leave it at that in this thread as well as the other one where you avoid posts just to later jump in on another convo Im having with someone else. Thats fair right? I mean its not like YOU HAVE to talk with me right?
I'm not talking to you. You said you could prove God exists and I'm simply pointing out your evidence is flawed. People have been unsuccessfully trying to prove God exists for at least forty thousand years. Don't expect to be the first.

God bless you.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#320 Sep 23, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
Paul wrote more Books in the Bible than anyone. I'll believe him.
So? How does being a prolific false prophet make his lies any more believable? Oh, and only about 7 of those books allegedly by Paul have any chance of having been written by him. The rest are forgeries making use of his name.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#321 Sep 23, 2013
Oops, looks like I'll need to pick back up from page 11 tomorrow...

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#322 Sep 23, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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Well heres what we have for David:
He repented
He was called a servant by God DIRECTLY to him (David)
He was called a servant by God DIRECTLY to others (such as Jeremiah, Solomon, Ezekiel, Isaiah)
As for Zedekiah what do we have? I'll allow you to finish this post on what we have from Zedekiah that proves his case. Otherwise, you're just speaking from ignorance..... AGAIN lol
David didn't repent. He went right on boinking Bathsheba and Michal and a half dozen others.
TRYING

Morgantown, WV

#323 Sep 23, 2013
Question, since theres some here, that have dug deep into things, written. WHY was the FUTURE REVEALED to NEBUCHADNEZZAR. I have no ideaa of factuality on this, unless he will be Resurrected in the latter days , to play his role in happenings, events. Looks like others will be Resurrected to play a role again also. MAKE SINCE? SURELY GOD will Bring David back, to take up his throne again. DAVID, seems like one, that, you on this thread are dwelling on. Some Defend him and tell the story well. Thanks! DAVID WASN'T PERFECT, and GOD will correct that, in time.
no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#324 Sep 23, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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God is ETERNAL. God has no beginning and no end.
The law (in your words) is eternal. Yet it had a beginning?
So how could the covenant AND God both be the same thing if ONE had a beginning (the covenant) and the other did not (God Almighty.
Another example

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Gensis 9:12 And God said,“This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come:

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This covenant made here was everlasting. But it had a beginning right? Yes it does this verse IS the beginning of the covenant. God doesnt have a beginning does HE?
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Just to reiterate:

If God said "This covenant I make with you today, is an everlasting one".

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This would not mean from as far as the past goes to as far as the future goes. Because before he said "this covenant", the covenant was not in effect. It is only in effect from the "today" to the EVERLASTING FUTURE. Thats what you're saying right?
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Yes and all I'm saying is the second covenant doesn't replace or do away with the original covenant but fulfills it. According to the NT, it's basically the same covenant without the OT sacrificial laws, which represented what was to come for future generations. Now let me ask you this. I know you don't believe the second covenant has been put into effect yet. So what I want to know is what do you believe is going to happen when God writes his laws on the hearts and minds of Israel. I'm just curious to know what you think is going to happen when Jeremiah 31:33-34 begins. I mean what does that mean God is going to writen them on the hearts and minds of Israel. Are they not already on the hearts and minds of Israel? Are they not on yours? What do you think is going to be different about this covenant in Jeremiah 31:33-34.

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no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#325 Sep 23, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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God is ETERNAL. God has no beginning and no end.
The law (in your words) is eternal. Yet it had a beginning?
So how could the covenant AND God both be the same thing if ONE had a beginning (the covenant) and the other did not (God Almighty.
Another example
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Gensis 9:12 And God said,“This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come:
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This covenant made here was everlasting. But it had a beginning right? Yes it does this verse IS the beginning of the covenant. God doesnt have a beginning does HE?
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Just to reiterate:
If God said "This covenant I make with you today, is an everlasting one".
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This would not mean from as far as the past goes to as far as the future goes. Because before he said "this covenant", the covenant was not in effect. It is only in effect from the "today" to the EVERLASTING FUTURE. Thats what you're saying right?
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Yes that's what I'm saying and I'm also saying the second covenant doesn't replace or do away with the original covenant but fulfills it. According to the NT, it's basically the same covenant without the OT sacrificial laws, which represented what was to come for future generations. Now let me ask you this. I know you don't believe the second covenant has been put into effect yet. So what I want to know is what do you believe is going to happen when God writes his laws on the hearts and minds of Israel. I'm just curious to know what you think is going to happen when Jeremiah 31:33-34 begins. I mean what does that mean God is going to writen them on the hearts and minds of Israel. Are they not already on the hearts and minds of Israel? Are they not on yours? What do you think is going to be different about this covenant in Jeremiah 31:33-34.
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Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#326 Sep 23, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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I'm not talking to you.


Very well lol Carry on.
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#327 Sep 23, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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David didn't repent. He went right on boinking Bathsheba and Michal and a half dozen others.
If David didnt repent, what is the book.... Wait...
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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I'm not talking to you.\
Must have been an accident lol I'll act as if this last post didnt happen ;)
no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#328 Sep 23, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
I dont agree.
What's new...lol

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Flygerian wrote:
The "overspreading" part, can you explain what Hebrew word that is from that is in Daniel 9:27
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The Hebrew word is 'kanaph' which has a few different meanings. Check them out.

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http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm...

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Yes, many modern scholars go with with the word "wing" but this is an error. If you use the link and click on the Strongs # h3671 and see all the places this word is used, you'll see that the word "Kanaph" most of the time tranlates to "wing" but can also translate to 'ends'(see Job 37:3) which can be synonomous with "overspreading". And like I said earlier, in Genesis 9:19 we find the explanation of the word overspread... from Noah's three son the earth was overspread with human beings after the flood. Overspread shows us how something spreads over an entity over a period of time, such as a nation. In the case of Dan. 9:27, the only nation in view is Israel. If the scripture was refering to Rome, then Roma would have been destroyed and not Israel. Also, it cannot be talking about Roman Abominations committed, the result would have been God punishing Rome and not Israel.

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Flygerian wrote:
Heres why:
1. Daniel 9:27 in EVERY TRANSLATION says something of the sort of:

He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."
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No.No.No. Those modern translations you are using are horrible. It's not saying: "at the temple he will set up an abomination". It's basically saying because of the overspreading of abominations he shall make it (obviously Jerusalem) desolate and put an end to sacrifices (in the Temple).

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“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#329 Sep 23, 2013
TRYING wrote:
Question, since theres some here, that have dug deep into things, written. WHY was the FUTURE REVEALED to NEBUCHADNEZZAR. I have no ideaa of factuality on this, unless he will be Resurrected in the latter days , to play his role in happenings, events. Looks like others will be Resurrected to play a role again also. MAKE SINCE? SURELY GOD will Bring David back, to take up his throne again. DAVID, seems like one, that, you on this thread are dwelling on. Some Defend him and tell the story well. Thanks! DAVID WASN'T PERFECT, and GOD will correct that, in time.
Magic Jesus Decoder Ring. Final answer.
no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#330 Sep 23, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/3671.htm

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scroll down and see Strong's exaustive

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Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#331 Sep 23, 2013
no-one-special wrote:
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Yes and all I'm saying is the second covenant doesn't replace or do away with the original covenant but fulfills it. According to the NT, it's basically the same covenant without the OT sacrificial laws, which represented what was to come for future generations.
Well where does the OT say that the sacrificial laws would be abolished? It doesnt. Which pretty much proves my point. It is written in Deuteronomy:

26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you; 27 for I know your rebellion and your stiff neck. If today, while I am yet alive with you, you have been rebellious against the Lord, then how much more after my death? 28 Gather to me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their hearing and call heaven and earth to witness against them. 29 For I know that after my death you will become utterly corrupt, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you. And evil will befall you in the latter days, because you will do evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke Him to anger through the work of your hands.”

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When all these blessings and curses I have set before you come on you and you take them to heart wherever the Lord your God disperses you among the nations, 2 and when you and your children return to the Lord your God and obey him with all your heart and with all your soul according to everything I command you today, 3 then the Lord your God will restore your fortunes[a] and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you
no-one-special wrote:
Now let me ask you this. I know you don't believe the second covenant has been put into effect yet. So what I want to know is what do you believe is going to happen when God writes his laws on the hearts and minds of Israel. I'm just curious to know what you think is going to happen when Jeremiah 31:33-34 begins. I mean what does that mean God is going to writen them on the hearts and minds of Israel. Are they not already on the hearts and minds of Israel? Are they not on yours? What do you think is going to be different about this covenant in Jeremiah 31:33-34.
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I had to ask my neighbor as did you. As did others. It says

33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another,‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,

The least to the greatest know Him nowadays? I dont think so.
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#332 Sep 23, 2013
no-one-special wrote:
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http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/3671.htm
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scroll down and see Strong's exaustive
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Show me one place where its used for "spreading". I couldnt find it on the list.
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#333 Sep 23, 2013
no-one-special wrote:
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What's new...lol
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The Hebrew word is 'kanaph' which has a few different meanings. Check them out.
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http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm...
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Yes, many modern scholars go with with the word "wing" but this is an error. If you use the link and click on the Strongs # h3671 and see all the places this word is used, you'll see that the word "Kanaph" most of the time tranlates to "wing" but can also translate to 'ends'(see Job 37:3) which can be synonomous with "overspreading". And like I said earlier, in Genesis 9:19 we find the explanation of the word overspread... from Noah's three son the earth was overspread with human beings after the flood. Overspread shows us how something spreads over an entity over a period of time, such as a nation. In the case of Dan. 9:27, the only nation in view is Israel. If the scripture was refering to Rome, then Roma would have been destroyed and not Israel. Also, it cannot be talking about Roman Abominations committed, the result would have been God punishing Rome and not Israel.
1. What a jump lol. Ends can by synonymous with overspreading? I hope you didnt hurt yourself attempting that hurdle

2. In Genesis 9:19 Kaneph is NOT used. Try again..

3. We're looking for an abomination that is taken place on the temple sight. This has happened twice as I was made aware of today. One is the dome of rock. The other that I did not consider was Antiochus sacrificing a pig in the temple. And also erecting his idol in the temple.
no-one-special wrote:
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No.No.No. Those modern translations you are using are horrible. It's not saying: "at the temple he will set up an abomination". It's basically saying because of the overspreading of abominations he shall make it (obviously Jerusalem) desolate and put an end to sacrifices (in the Temple).
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If Im wrong, what is the Hebrew saying that makes it so? You lamenting the "modern" translations yet using the KJV is ironic dont you think?
no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#334 Sep 23, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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What's new?.,...You disagree again.....lol... I'm done again Fly. This is getting old. I get the feeling you disagree with everything for the sake of arguing. I'm really not into that whole "WINNING" attitude as you put it once before. So as I move on and you marinate in that pride of yours.... just remember..... no one really believed Charlie Sheen was "WINNING!" Until next time FLY
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#335 Sep 23, 2013
no-one-special wrote:
<quoted text>What's new?.,...You disagree again.....lol... I'm done again Fly. This is getting old. I get the feeling you disagree with everything for the sake of arguing. I'm really not into that whole "WINNING" attitude as you put it once before. So as I move on and you marinate in that pride of yours.... just remember..... no one really believed Charlie Sheen was "WINNING!" Until next time FLY
Lol yea I like to argue and yet you were arguing with me earlier about the temple not being literal only to change your stance later and say it was literal.

To be honest once I saw you avoiding questions I knew this time would come as it usually does when we speak. Farewell sir...

Since: Sep 13

United States

#336 Sep 24, 2013
Who are you to split hairs and look for flyspecks in Gods Word. Remember its His word and you take it all or none.Do you not think the creator of the universe is capable of having His word revealed the way He wants it and through who He chooses? This is doubt and unbelief and brings no glory to God. You should be spending all this time spreading the gospel like your commanded. This nonsense of yours has the potential to confuse some folks and turn them off from Christianity. Repent of this squabbling! I suspect your motive is for your glory. You cause confusion and confusion is not from God its from a demon spirit. In this case rebellion. My brothers and sisters do not pay attention to this heresay for Gods Word can be trusted! Unfortunately some are offended because Paul forbid women from being the head of the church. But Jesus was in agreement since this was the norm in the synagog andHe never rebuked them for that one. So stop telling God His chosen vessel to bring the good news to us gentiles is a liar. You should be ashamed

Since: Sep 13

United States

#338 Sep 24, 2013
tahoegirl wrote:
If Paul wasn’t guilty as Rev 2:2 alleges, then why does he address those at Ephesus as an "apostle” in Ephesians 1:1?
Quit hating on Paul because He said women couldnt be the head of the church. Your speaking blasphemy against the chosen vessel to bring the gospel to us gentiles. UNBELIEVABLE! I rebuke you I pray you repent for you are being a stumbling block and if young christians or agnostics read this and turn away their blood will be on your hands. You are being a sower of discord amongst the brethren. You are bringing no Glory to God or winning souls. Please do not bring this up again on a public forum or your church. This is Poision and youll mess around sow these desention seeds and reap a bad harvest. lovingly i say these things for the edification of the body and the Saints. Nothing personal.

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