Flygerian

Yukon, OK

#167 Apr 2, 2013
JJJ wrote:
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For argument's sake, lets accept that I believe in the bible god and all that bible states about him...
That being the case then I fully understand that he would have the power to take back my life... my contention is that because the bible states that he is the personification of love, this would negate such an action...
As humans the very best we can do in regard to understanding, understanding of anything is that oru a frame of reference is limited to the parameters of human knowledge and experience....
Now as a human I understand that 'unconditional love' is exactly that.... love without conditions and most certain this would be included within the description of the personification of love
As a human parent I judge or perhaps a better word is I compare my actions as a loving parent as my best gauge of how that relationship is to be conducted... no I did not say that, I'm perfect, that I can't improve on my parent/child relationship, in fact I'm learning everyday how to be a better parent a better fellow man....
But based on the relationship and love I have for my children I can say hands down I would never do some of the things that the bible reports of god...
I would never even imagine a scenario where I would ask my son to sacrifice his son, not for any reason but especially for no other reason than to test his loyalty, I would never allow another to take all my child's possessions and worse murder his children, especially when that person can only do so by being in receipt of my direct permission, which is the bible reports of god in connection with Job...
You see Fly we are still having this discussion on two different levels..... you are discussion authority and ability where as I am discussing morality, choice and love....
When I read these accounts in the bible I can say without hesitation that I can teach the biblical god, especially the OT god a thing or two about love... and if they are indeed parables and stories then certainly they are not befitting of the more enlightened time in which we live, after all they were written thousands of years ago.
When I state this the argument I often encounter is this:'well god's thoughts are not our thoughts' and then I'm given an explanation that we can't understand the mind of god etc....
But if this is true, then what moral right (as opposed to authority) does god have to judge us? That would be akin to holding a toddler to account for his actions...
Can you show me where the bible states that He is the PERSONIFICATION of love? This doesnt even make sense lol

This is what I told punisher lol. You cannot compare God Almighty to anything that suits you rwants. It has to make sense. A parent who received life by chance just as the child did cannot command the child to be killed or the grandson. Why? Because he (the parent/grandparent) was given life just as the child/grandson. So how can he dictate what life to take if he was given it as well? HE CANT.

Maybe the book of Job happened maybe it didnt. Me personally I think its a story that people learn from. That bad things happen to good people but that they should get thru them. Not losing trust in the God of ISrael or cursing His name.

I dont get it lol If we assume that God Almighty is real how do you even have MORALITY? Because you found it on the moon? In Texas? In elementary school? Nope. IT WAS GIVEN. So how can I have MORE morality than the one that SET MORALITY into place? It doesnt make sense to me lol
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#168 Apr 3, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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You dont understand if the Being gave you something that EMINATES from Him why He could take it back if He didnt believe one was using the life in the way He intended? Why not?

No life is not about "talents". I mean it is but thats not what I was discussing by using life the way He intended. What I meant is that not living according to the moral standards He set forth from us.
Now youre just being belligerent because you cant let go of the frayed rope that already dropped the bucket down the well. You're insisting you still have something on the end but wont pull it up to show the truth...

Where's this take back of all the child molesters, rapists, wife abusers, drug dealers, bankers who rape and pillage the financial system, etc, etc...the list is too long to list.

Most of these miscreants live long and healthy and prosperous lives - and no life take-back. And nothing ever done for the victims either. And dont tell me eternal damnation is the real sentence...as its wholly unproven, and certainly does nothing for the victims!!

Moral standards? Like what the Bible tells people? To stone and otherwise hurt a wife, a daughter, etc - who displeases some male?

Come on!

But wait, the OT God is now the softer, gentler God of the NT...right?

The basic problem is NO ONE can KNOW exactly what this God needs, or requires for his plan at all. Not at any time can anyone say they are fulfilling their place in His plan, or what He intended for them. Maybe what He intended doesn't hit till a person is 70, 80 yo..? But those years leading up are not so nicey-nice...
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#169 Apr 3, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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Can you show me where the bible states that He is the PERSONIFICATION of love? This doesnt even make sense lol

This is what I told punisher lol. You cannot compare God Almighty to anything that suits you rwants.

It has to make sense. A parent who received life by chance just as the child did cannot command the child to be killed or the grandson. Why? Because he (the parent/grandparent) was given life just as the child/grandson. So how can he dictate what life to take if he was given it as well? HE CANT.l
And neither can YOU! That you insist your analogy works, doesn't mean it does! It has to satisfy the audience, not only YOU!

Like an author who insists his book is telling a great story, but the readers cant finish it, cause it lacks the needed components to make it worth reading and recommending.

Your analogy s/cks and its ONLY YOU thinking its good. You cant cleanly compare taking back an inanimate object to taking back a Life. The object taken back is perhaps just an inconvenience - while dying is not so trite an event.

Another problem with your argument is that there is nothing to prove that this God actively grants each and every life. Since it appears humans can propagate at will, barring biological impediments - prove this God is actively involved in granting that each life becomes an actual Life...? That he allegedly started all of life, doesn't mean he's involved in (creating) each life thereafter, human or other. is he granting grass life each spring season? Is he denying panda's a better more viable birth-rate?

Are you relying on the God knows everyone before they are born lines? If so it doesn't prove he's giving permission that the life succeeds, or doesn't. Is this God actively involved in aborting fetuses? Giving them a soul, so they can die in transit?

Nursery in Heaven; a line of babies is being prepared to go to earth.

God pats one kid on the shoulder; "Hey, have a good trip." (snicker, snicker) God then elbows an angel, "Oh he's in for a shock, he's gonna be dead before he see's the lights."

You're not making your case - you're merely insisting you're right. And its clear a few of us are not buying - at all.

Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#170 Apr 3, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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Can you show me where the bible states that He is the PERSONIFICATION of love? This doesnt even make sense lol
This is what I told punisher lol. You cannot compare God Almighty to anything that suits you rwants. It has to make sense. A parent who received life by chance just as the child did cannot command the child to be killed or the grandson. Why? Because he (the parent/grandparent) was given life just as the child/grandson. So how can he dictate what life to take if he was given it as well? HE CANT.
Maybe the book of Job happened maybe it didnt. Me personally I think its a story that people learn from. That bad things happen to good people but that they should get thru them. Not losing trust in the God of ISrael or cursing His name.
I dont get it lol If we assume that God Almighty is real how do you even have MORALITY? Because you found it on the moon? In Texas? In elementary school? Nope. IT WAS GIVEN. So how can I have MORE morality than the one that SET MORALITY into place? It doesnt make sense to me lol
Morality is relative to time and place, culture, etc...always has been.

Is a thing good or bad because this God says so, or are they good-bad outside of his say...?
Flygerian

Yukon, OK

#171 Apr 3, 2013
Punisher wrote:
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And neither can YOU! That you insist your analogy works, doesn't mean it does! It has to satisfy the audience, not only YOU!
Like an author who insists his book is telling a great story, but the readers cant finish it, cause it lacks the needed components to make it worth reading and recommending.
Your analogy s/cks and its ONLY YOU thinking its good. You cant cleanly compare taking back an inanimate object to taking back a Life. The object taken back is perhaps just an inconvenience - while dying is not so trite an event.
Another problem with your argument is that there is nothing to prove that this God actively grants each and every life. Since it appears humans can propagate at will, barring biological impediments - prove this God is actively involved in granting that each life becomes an actual Life...? That he allegedly started all of life, doesn't mean he's involved in (creating) each life thereafter, human or other. is he granting grass life each spring season? Is he denying panda's a better more viable birth-rate?
Are you relying on the God knows everyone before they are born lines? If so it doesn't prove he's giving permission that the life succeeds, or doesn't. Is this God actively involved in aborting fetuses? Giving them a soul, so they can die in transit?
Nursery in Heaven; a line of babies is being prepared to go to earth.
God pats one kid on the shoulder; "Hey, have a good trip." (snicker, snicker) God then elbows an angel, "Oh he's in for a shock, he's gonna be dead before he see's the lights."
You're not making your case - you're merely insisting you're right. And its clear a few of us are not buying - at all.
1. I can when it works lol. How can I take your life if I didnt give it to you and you didnt put me or some other person in danger of their life? I couldnt. Because I was given life (not of my own will) just as you were. So the analogy that a "parent wouldnt take their kids life" doesnt work in this situation

2. Here we go again. You comparing a car to the life as if that was my analogy. How about we forget it if you're just gonna play dumb and keep twisting the analogy?

3. Prove this God is actively involved? How would you suggest I do this? The point is that life started because of One. And not only did life start because of this One but He gave humans the ability to continue life. Thats ALL Him buddy
Flygerian

Yukon, OK

#172 Apr 3, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Now youre just being belligerent because you cant let go of the frayed rope that already dropped the bucket down the well. You're insisting you still have something on the end but wont pull it up to show the truth...
Where's this take back of all the child molesters, rapists, wife abusers, drug dealers, bankers who rape and pillage the financial system, etc, etc...the list is too long to list.
Most of these miscreants live long and healthy and prosperous lives - and no life take-back. And nothing ever done for the victims either. And dont tell me eternal damnation is the real sentence...as its wholly unproven, and certainly does nothing for the victims!!
Moral standards? Like what the Bible tells people? To stone and otherwise hurt a wife, a daughter, etc - who displeases some male?
Come on!
But wait, the OT God is now the softer, gentler God of the NT...right?
The basic problem is NO ONE can KNOW exactly what this God needs, or requires for his plan at all. Not at any time can anyone say they are fulfilling their place in His plan, or what He intended for them. Maybe what He intended doesn't hit till a person is 70, 80 yo..? But those years leading up are not so nicey-nice...
1. Im not belligerent at all lol

2. I simply stated that since the God that gave life DID give life (THAT CAME FROM HIM) why could He not take it back for whatever reason He chose? You didnt answer lol. I didnt say that this is how it works for EVERYONE or even ANYONE. Just asked a question that you have yet to answer

3. No the NT worships another god. Not the God of Israel lol

4. Yes they can know what this God wants. Thats why HE came to Israel
Flygerian

Yukon, OK

#173 Apr 3, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Morality is relative to time and place, culture, etc...always has been.
Is a thing good or bad because this God says so, or are they good-bad outside of his say...?
If this God is the God that created ALL THINGS (which would include your "moral" capacity) then it would be HIM that declares what is GOOD and what is BAD.

Most cultures have the same moral standards. Of course their our outliers but for the MOST part they are ALL similar
JJJ

Surry Hills, Australia

#174 Apr 4, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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Can you show me where the bible states that He is the PERSONIFICATION of love? This doesnt even make sense lol
Now Fly... just when I thought we were discussing things in a moderate manner you have to go all Pharasaical on me ...

Again for the sake of this discussion let's assume I'm accepting what the bible states is true, that being so...

1 John 4:8 goes on to say 'Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.'

If that is true then I'm correct in saying that the bible says god is the personification of love...no?

The Pharisees debated Jesus on the technicalities of the law, resorting to semantics and nuances etc but Jesus operated on a higher plane. He did away with the written law and referred to the law written on our hearts...in other words principle over words.

If you claim to follow the man Jesus' teachings then should you not also when you discuss the bible do so on that same higher plane?

Often bible critics will claim that the bible contradicts itself and then those that would defend it sink to the level of the Pharisees and argue the contradictions on the semantics and grammar of ancient languages, translations and all sorts of technical considerations and the thing is we can argue on this level until the cows come home..

But elevate the discussion to a higher plane, one of logic which is to say honesty and one of love and you will find the bible is full of contradictions...
JJJ

Surry Hills, Australia

#175 Apr 4, 2013
1 John 4:8 'Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.' Keeping that in mind and it is impossible to reconcile to love much of what the bible states about god...

Love would not punish with death Adam & eve's disobedience, a mistake. Were there actions wrong? Was there premeditated evil intent or simple curiosity on the part of a man who was so like a child in experience that he did not even know he was naked...

How could they be found guilty of wrong doing when they did not even understand the concept until they ate from the tree?

The bible states that certain peoples..'burned their children in the fire a thing that had never entered into the mind of god' and yet Lev 2:9 states...''If a priest's daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire"

Paul wrote to the Corinthians that 'love does not keep account of the injury' if this is so then how is it that god is going to judge and punish sinners for their sins?

The bible tells us to turn the other cheek and to forgive seventy time seventy (indefinitely) and yet god is wrathful, vengeful and will punish inners for all eternity be it death or worse.

Love would never ask a 'friend' to sacrifice their child as proof of their loyalty...(Abe/Isaac)

Love would never give permission to allow someone to harm and even murder the children of a loyal friend (Satan/job) and on that...

How is that god almighty allows himself to be goaded by satan not once but twice to give his permission to commit evil and yet when the devil tried the same with Jesus, a mere human he resisted the devil three times..

Love would never ever sanction genocide......and the list goes on and on and on.

The bible states that we are made in god's image (in truth we have made god(s) in our image) and as such we have every right to consider the actions of god in the context of our understanding of love.

When I do that..... compare much of what the bible has to say against love..... I need go no further to decide that the bible is the work of men, well meaning men perhaps but never the less men, ignorant men

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#176 Apr 4, 2013
Can I just get a poll of the Christians/Non-Christians on here about their positions on the following:

1 Human Sacrifice (real)
2 Ceremonial Human Sacrifice (pretend)
3 Animal Sacrifice
4 Cannibalism
5 Ceremonial Cannibalism (pretend)

Show these things be allowed in Religions in the US?
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#178 Apr 5, 2013
JJJ wrote:
<quoted text>
Now Fly... just when I thought we were discussing things in a moderate manner you have to go all Pharasaical on me ...
Again for the sake of this discussion let's assume I'm accepting what the bible states is true, that being so...
1 John 4:8 goes on to say 'Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.'
If that is true then I'm correct in saying that the bible says god is the personification of love...no?
The Pharisees debated Jesus on the technicalities of the law, resorting to semantics and nuances etc but Jesus operated on a higher plane. He did away with the written law and referred to the law written on our hearts...in other words principle over words.
If you claim to follow the man Jesus' teachings then should you not also when you discuss the bible do so on that same higher plane?
Often bible critics will claim that the bible contradicts itself and then those that would defend it sink to the level of the Pharisees and argue the contradictions on the semantics and grammar of ancient languages, translations and all sorts of technical considerations and the thing is we can argue on this level until the cows come home..
But elevate the discussion to a higher plane, one of logic which is to say honesty and one of love and you will find the bible is full of contradictions...
Im sorry I thought we were talking about the God of Israel as in the OT. Not the made up NT god. Or maybe hes real idk lol

But you do know that the god of Jesus (allegedly) has an eternal place for punishment? How is that "on a higher plane"? How is Jesus on a "higher plane" when he will (allegedly) be throwing people to an eternal place of punishment where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth? Are you just picking and choosing what you like about Jesus?
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#179 Apr 5, 2013
JJJ wrote:
1 John 4:8 'Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.' Keeping that in mind and it is impossible to reconcile to love much of what the bible states about god...
Love would not punish with death Adam & eve's disobedience, a mistake. Were there actions wrong? Was there premeditated evil intent or simple curiosity on the part of a man who was so like a child in experience that he did not even know he was naked...
How could they be found guilty of wrong doing when they did not even understand the concept until they ate from the tree?
The bible states that certain peoples..'burned their children in the fire a thing that had never entered into the mind of god' and yet Lev 2:9 states...''If a priest's daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire"
Paul wrote to the Corinthians that 'love does not keep account of the injury' if this is so then how is it that god is going to judge and punish sinners for their sins?
The bible tells us to turn the other cheek and to forgive seventy time seventy (indefinitely) and yet god is wrathful, vengeful and will punish inners for all eternity be it death or worse.
Love would never ask a 'friend' to sacrifice their child as proof of their loyalty...(Abe/Isaac)
Love would never give permission to allow someone to harm and even murder the children of a loyal friend (Satan/job) and on that...
How is that god almighty allows himself to be goaded by satan not once but twice to give his permission to commit evil and yet when the devil tried the same with Jesus, a mere human he resisted the devil three times..
Love would never ever sanction genocide......and the list goes on and on and on.
The bible states that we are made in god's image (in truth we have made god(s) in our image) and as such we have every right to consider the actions of god in the context of our understanding of love.
When I do that..... compare much of what the bible has to say against love..... I need go no further to decide that the bible is the work of men, well meaning men perhaps but never the less men, ignorant men
Lets see that would be YOUR boy Jesus that introduced eternal punishment. Its nowhere to be found on the other side of the bible. So do you speak of him in that manner? Do you question his ethics? It surely doesnt seem like it lol

First, we have to understand that the God you are complaining about is found in the OT. The God of Abraham. The Almighty of Israel and so forth. So taking comments from Paul, James, and even Jesus (in some contexts) makes no sense unless it REITERATES something said in the OT. Because thats where the God you're complaining about revealed Himself. So throw out Paul and the 1 John verses because thats unless it goes with what the God of Israel stated/revealed about Himself.

I asked you and others this question and yall all skated around it. If He gave life why could He not take it back at ANY TIME He deemed necessary? Since it came from Him right? At least thats what genesis says. That He BREATHED into Adam's mouth and then Adam came alive. So why could He not take this back if He didnt like what me and/or you were doing with it? Because YOU say? Can you actually respond to what Im saying instead of just repeating your stance over and over?

Man cannot create THEIR CREATOR. That doesnt even make sense. Now if you're saying that man "made up" gods well then I would like to know how we got here. Because it takes MORE faith to believe we are just "here" than to believe Someone placed us "here"
JJJ

Surry Hills, Australia

#181 Apr 7, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
<quoted text>
Lets see that would be YOUR boy Jesus that introduced eternal punishment. Its nowhere to be found on the other side of the bible. So do you speak of him in that manner? Do you question his ethics? It surely doesnt seem like it lol
There you go... I thought most xstians believed that Jesus is god or at least a manifestation of god.... personally I'm not 100% sure he existed but if he did then he was just a man, it would seem for the most, especially for the time period an enlightened man but a man never the less...

As to the things he 'introduced'... how do we know that translators understood what he meant? I believe he spoke in religious terms because that was his audience...

So are you saying that you think that OT is more ethical than the NT? Do don't find fault with the killing of children because of an episode of disrespect in that they called a so called 'prophet' baldy?

Do find it acceptable that a wayward son should be stoned to death (with actuls stones, not pot)

What about genocide...do you find that acceptable?

Or like me do you find the whole book a farce?
Flygerian

Yukon, OK

#182 Apr 7, 2013
JJJ wrote:
<quoted text>
There you go... I thought most xstians believed that Jesus is god or at least a manifestation of god.... personally I'm not 100% sure he existed but if he did then he was just a man, it would seem for the most, especially for the time period an enlightened man but a man never the less...
As to the things he 'introduced'... how do we know that translators understood what he meant? I believe he spoke in religious terms because that was his audience...
So are you saying that you think that OT is more ethical than the NT? Do don't find fault with the killing of children because of an episode of disrespect in that they called a so called 'prophet' baldy?
Do find it acceptable that a wayward son should be stoned to death (with actuls stones, not pot)
What about genocide...do you find that acceptable?
Or like me do you find the whole book a farce?
How is he "enlightened" if he said that people would be eternally punished? How can you give a pass to Jesus but then complain when "God" does it?

No I dont find one more moral than the other. I would think that the NT was less moral. Why? Because it advocates ETERNAL punishment. That I consider WORSE than ANYTHING in the OT. Do you agree?
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#183 Apr 8, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you show me where the bible states that He is the PERSONIFICATION of love? This doesnt even make sense lol
This is what I told punisher lol. You cannot compare God Almighty to anything that suits you rwants. It has to make sense. A parent who received life by chance just as the child did cannot command the child to be killed or the grandson. Why? Because he (the parent/grandparent) was given life just as the child/grandson. So how can he dictate what life to take if he was given it as well? HE CANT.
Maybe the book of Job happened maybe it didnt. Me personally I think its a story that people learn from. That bad things happen to good people but that they should get thru them. Not losing trust in the God of ISrael or cursing His name.
I dont get it lol If we assume that God Almighty is real how do you even have MORALITY? Because you found it on the moon? In Texas? In elementary school? Nope. IT WAS GIVEN. So how can I have MORE morality than the one that SET MORALITY into place? It doesnt make sense to me lol
Whats so sad and wrong about your ranting is that YOU are doling exactly what you say others can not.

You compared the act of taking back a car (by a human parent) to your God taking back someones life.

And still, no matter the way its typed, its still s/cks as a a good analogy! Get over it! Your analogy s/cks.

And could you cease with the lol's...its not only annoying, its condescending! Are you a 14yo girl!?
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#184 Apr 8, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes it is equal. Because they are both gifts intended for specific purposes. Now from OUR stance the taking of a car is not the same as taking of a life. Of course. But from the ANALOGY it is exactly the same. The authority figure is taking back something that is theirs because the recipient didnt use it in the way intended.
Was Adam and Eve tossed into the cold? Or were they banished from God's presence?
Did God Almighty forget about them? No because Eve claims God gave her a son in Seth after the banishment. And God Almighty did rescind their privileges. Their privilege to live in the Garden of Eden lol. But if they made it thru their life they could again live in paradise. Whether that is here on earth or in the space somewhere I do not know but if you read the bible thats what it states. Wouldnt that be making them EARN what they had freely for going against His word?
A lot of Jibberish.

Dont you know when someone is joking, playing with terms...like my description of A&E being tossed out in the cold...?

You need to take some levity refreshers...
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#185 Apr 8, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes it is equal. Because they are both gifts intended for specific purposes. Now from OUR stance the taking of a car is not the same as taking of a life. Of course. But from the ANALOGY it is exactly the same. The authority figure is taking back something that is theirs because the recipient didnt use it in the way intended.
Was Adam and Eve tossed into the cold? Or were they banished from God's presence?
Did God Almighty forget about them? No because Eve claims God gave her a son in Seth after the banishment. And God Almighty did rescind their privileges. Their privilege to live in the Garden of Eden lol. But if they made it thru their life they could again live in paradise. Whether that is here on earth or in the space somewhere I do not know but if you read the bible thats what it states. Wouldnt that be making them EARN what they had freely for going against His word?
Whats equal?

Did you comment on my analogy? Hard to tell...you instead went back and re-argued your own analogy...

Its very clear that A&E had been living on a thin leash with this God. He would have found something to fault them and kick them out in the cold.
razzaz

Pittsburgh, PA

#186 Apr 8, 2013
youtube.com/watch...
Death is Death WTF?
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#187 Apr 8, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
<quoted text>
Lets see that would be YOUR boy Jesus that introduced eternal punishment. Its nowhere to be found on the other side of the bible. So do you speak of him in that manner? Do you question his ethics? It surely doesnt seem like it lol
First, we have to understand that the God you are complaining about is found in the OT. The God of Abraham. The Almighty of Israel and so forth. So taking comments from Paul, James, and even Jesus (in some contexts) makes no sense unless it REITERATES something said in the OT. Because thats where the God you're complaining about revealed Himself. So throw out Paul and the 1 John verses because thats unless it goes with what the God of Israel stated/revealed about Himself.
I asked you and others this question and yall all skated around it. If He gave life why could He not take it back at ANY TIME He deemed necessary? Since it came from Him right? At least thats what genesis says. That He BREATHED into Adam's mouth and then Adam came alive. So why could He not take this back if He didnt like what me and/or you were doing with it? Because YOU say? Can you actually respond to what Im saying instead of just repeating your stance over and over?
Man cannot create THEIR CREATOR. That doesnt even make sense. Now if you're saying that man "made up" gods well then I would like to know how we got here. Because it takes MORE faith to believe we are just "here" than to believe Someone placed us "here"
As to the How and Why we're here...I cant answer that. But the more I learn about all the details and interconnectedness of Life on this planet - the further and further it pushes away a God/Creator - and most certainly denies the Judeo-Xtian God from being this creative and/or thought out/detailed.

Learning that a tree in an old growth forest is "helping" the smaller ones to grow under its shadows is but one in a few billion of details that any God so far mentioned or described by any Religion ever - is not responsible for any of it. The more we learn the less capable these Gods are of such creativity.
Flygerian

Yukon, OK

#188 Apr 8, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Whats so sad and wrong about your ranting is that YOU are doling exactly what you say others can not.
You compared the act of taking back a car (by a human parent) to your God taking back someones life.
And still, no matter the way its typed, its still s/cks as a a good analogy! Get over it! Your analogy s/cks.
And could you cease with the lol's...its not only annoying, its condescending! Are you a 14yo girl!?
I will stop "lol"ing if its hurting your feelings. Sorry

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