Human Sacrifice... right or wrong?
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#620 May 12, 2013
spandexxx wrote:
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btw you need to define a vage term like love first because many things can be love like solidarity,romantic,family,fri ends etc.And al of them fil a need humans have so it has worth to them.
God has no needs so how can love be worth anything to him?
Why do I need to define it? You know what love is. And God loves people as children so it says.

By the way, love doesnt have to fulfill needs.
JJJ

Sydney, Australia

#621 May 12, 2013
Perpahaps its because you are debating on too many front's at the one time but your question below displays a complete lack of understanding on your part of harm that religion i causing our species....
Flygerian wrote:
<quoted text>And yes I would cure all those things if I could. What does that have to do with anything?
This is what the debate is about.... your answer to my question is all the proof that we need that there is no god, at least not of the biblical (OT or NT) variety....

The existence in the world today of what we perceive to be evil that is causeing suffering is more proof that there is no god, at least not of the biblical (OT or NT) variety....

You have stated that if you had ability to fix our problems, cure our ills that you would and of course the answer would be the same for every rational sane entity in existence...except it would appear.....

Your God YHWH...... as itelligent beings we are expected to accept that for no other reason than his ego, this god YHWH delays in curing disease, ending war and hunger and yet...

I would never do that and by your answer neither would you. We can see the insanity of a such an actionon the par of humans, in fact we would have such a persom committed but when it is attributed to our gods.....

We sing their praises....

Madness.....
spandexxx

Rijswijk, Netherlands

#622 May 13, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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God is complete in Himself. That doesnt mean He cant love something else.
You did not answer my question..lol you have no idea of how to react.
You have lost the argument.
spandexxx

Rijswijk, Netherlands

#623 May 13, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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Why do I need to define it? You know what love is. And God loves people as children so it says.
By the way, love doesnt have to fulfill needs.
I'm saying you do not know what love is and thats why you can not define it.
Al you are doing is being very vage and using very obvious childisch wordplay.
Yes love has to fulfill needs...prove me wrong if you don't think so.Love fulfils many needs like to make people feel selfworth,to form a bond or relationship to care for one and other so you have better chanses to survive.People need people to survive in this world thats why love is here.

All i can expect out of you is more bs, no answers to any questions and childisch reactions.
We are now done here you've lost by default;)
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#624 May 13, 2013
JJJ wrote:
Perpahaps its because you are debating on too many front's at the one time but your question below displays a complete lack of understanding on your part of harm that religion i causing our species....
<quoted text>
This is what the debate is about.... your answer to my question is all the proof that we need that there is no god, at least not of the biblical (OT or NT) variety....
The existence in the world today of what we perceive to be evil that is causeing suffering is more proof that there is no god, at least not of the biblical (OT or NT) variety....
You have stated that if you had ability to fix our problems, cure our ills that you would and of course the answer would be the same for every rational sane entity in existence...except it would appear.....
Your God YHWH...... as itelligent beings we are expected to accept that for no other reason than his ego, this god YHWH delays in curing disease, ending war and hunger and yet...
I would never do that and by your answer neither would you. We can see the insanity of a such an actionon the par of humans, in fact we would have such a persom committed but when it is attributed to our gods.....
We sing their praises....
Madness.....
So because I said I would end those things if it was in my power to do so means there is no God? This is the logic you're presenting?
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#625 May 13, 2013
spandexxx wrote:
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You did not answer my question..lol you have no idea of how to react.
You have lost the argument.
You're going in circles. Saying "this cant be this" but never explaining why. So if you think you have "won" then so be it and lets leave it at that. I probably wasted my time doing that anyways
JJJ

Sydney, Australia

#626 May 13, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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So because I said I would end those things if it was in my power to do so means there is no God? This is the logic you're presenting?
Yes this is the logic I'm presenting and I do so on the basis that I'm attributing at least the same level of compassion, empathy & sanity as you have to your god.....

You have correcty stated.... that if you had the power to do so, you would cure the world's problems.... and of course this is the only correct logical reponse from any sane person possible ...

So I would have thought that my logic is rock solid...

We are supposedly made in the imgage of your god and as such we would mirror his qualitites....

If we saw a child dying of cancer and could and would cure them in an instant and we are mirroring the qualitites of your god..... then would we not expect the same of him?

But as we still have disease, hunger, war, etc, etc, it stands to reason then that there is no entity capable of curing these things.

Otherwise look at the alternative..... this entity does exist but because one of his own spirit creations dissed him and called him a liar he is by his inaction sitting back and punishing us mere humans over nothing more than a ego trip.

Surely that is not the logic you would present
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#627 May 13, 2013
JJJ wrote:
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Yes this is the logic I'm presenting and I do so on the basis that I'm attributing at least the same level of compassion, empathy & sanity as you have to your god.....
You have correcty stated.... that if you had the power to do so, you would cure the world's problems.... and of course this is the only correct logical reponse from any sane person possible ...
So I would have thought that my logic is rock solid...
We are supposedly made in the imgage of your god and as such we would mirror his qualitites....
If we saw a child dying of cancer and could and would cure them in an instant and we are mirroring the qualitites of your god..... then would we not expect the same of him?
But as we still have disease, hunger, war, etc, etc, it stands to reason then that there is no entity capable of curing these things.
Otherwise look at the alternative..... this entity does exist but because one of his own spirit creations dissed him and called him a liar he is by his inaction sitting back and punishing us mere humans over nothing more than a ego trip.
Surely that is not the logic you would present
Do we have disease and war on the account of God doing these things? Or humans? Is God the one deciding to war on "brown people" or the US?
JJJ

Sydney, Australia

#628 May 14, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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Do we have disease and war on the account of God doing these things? Or humans? Is God the one deciding to war on "brown people" or the US?
Why are you changing the parameters of our discussion...

But I'll indulge you anyway.... regardless of who is causing war & disease you would contend that your god has the ability to change this.....

If you're saying that he can't then he is not the omnipotent universal creator that you believe in....

And if you say he can fix these things and yet he chooses not to...then is he not even more reprehensible of those that perhaps are causing war & disease?

And as far as yor reference to the US...... are they not a 'god fearing' nation....

And if by brown people you are talking about the middle east... is not the Muslim god warring against non muslim gods...?

This the point I've been trying to make with you..... religion is behind the majority of our dysfunction....

Islam & Christianity...... heads & tails of the same coin

When we can drop the religous ignorance we'll realise that in this consciousness at least.... this is it. There is no heaven and there is no hell there is just now, right now...

And sadly most of the world lives in a state ranging from mild discontent to manic insanity because they have drummed into their heads all thier lives that there is more to it than this....

Since: Dec 09

Chicago, IL

#629 May 14, 2013
JJJ wrote:
Perpahaps its because you are debating on too many front's at the one time but your question below displays a complete lack of understanding on your part of harm that religion i causing our species....
<quoted text>
This is what the debate is about.... your answer to my question is all the proof that we need that there is no god, at least not of the biblical (OT or NT) variety....
The existence in the world today of what we perceive to be evil that is causeing suffering is more proof that there is no god, at least not of the biblical (OT or NT) variety....
You have stated that if you had ability to fix our problems, cure our ills that you would and of course the answer would be the same for every rational sane entity in existence...except it would appear.....
Your God YHWH...... as itelligent beings we are expected to accept that for no other reason than his ego, this god YHWH delays in curing disease, ending war and hunger and yet...
I would never do that and by your answer neither would you. We can see the insanity of a such an actionon the par of humans, in fact we would have such a persom committed but when it is attributed to our gods.....
We sing their praises....
Madness.....
JJJ: "The existence in the world today of what we perceive to be evil that is causeing suffering is more proof that there is no god,..."

The existence of evil in the world isn't proof there's no God, it's proof that **MEN have been doing evil in the world!

**mankind/humans
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#630 May 14, 2013
JJJ wrote:
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And if you say he can fix these things and yet he chooses not to...then is he not even more reprehensible of those that perhaps are causing war & disease?
So YOU are more reprehensible for the wars CONTINUING than the ones causing it since you do not stop nor attempt to stop the wars right?
JJJ wrote:
And as far as yor reference to the US...... are they not a 'god fearing' nation....
If by god you mean fortune (money) than yes. The US is a Fortune fearing nation
JJJ wrote:
And if by brown people you are talking about the middle east... is not the Muslim god warring against non muslim gods...?
This must have been what the media told you LMAO
JJJ wrote:
This the point I've been trying to make with you..... religion is behind the majority of our dysfunction....
Islam & Christianity...... heads & tails of the same coin
When we can drop the religous ignorance we'll realise that in this consciousness at least.... this is it. There is no heaven and there is no hell there is just now, right now...
This is what the media (which is own and paid for) tells you. The FACT is that the majority of the wars is over RESOURCES and POWER. Not religion. Quit paying attention to the puppet and pay attention to the one pulling the strings and you will see this.
JJJ wrote:
And sadly most of the world lives in a state ranging from mild discontent to manic insanity because they have drummed into their heads all thier lives that there is more to it than this....
LOL Yes thats the problem with the world. Not that they are greedy, materialistic people that are NEVER content. But its that they believe they were CREATED. Man it must pain you to be honest and objective lol
JJJ

Sydney, Australia

#631 May 14, 2013
janeebee wrote:
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JJJ: "The existence in the world today of what we perceive to be evil that is causeing suffering is more proof that there is no god,..."
The existence of evil in the world isn't proof there's no God, it's proof that **MEN have been doing evil in the world!
**mankind/humans
And the big circle restarts.....

I have no doubt that is we humans that are responsible for what we perceive to be evil exisiting in the world....

My contention is though that just as you and I would not pass a starving child with a full shopping trolley and watch them starve rather than feed them...we would not eve reason "we'll let them go hungry for a little longer so they can learn a lesson etc"...

No we would act immediately, it is what compassinate rational people do.

And if this god of love exists.... then it stand to reason that he too would act immediately.....
JJJ

Sydney, Australia

#632 May 14, 2013
Now if perhaps you believe as Nick Cave sings...."I don't believe in an interventionist God"..

Well you may, just may at least get me to hear your theories but the absurdity in all this is the fact that you believe that god WILL one day fix things....

So he can fix things he is just not ready yet....
JJJ

Sydney, Australia

#633 May 15, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
<This is what the media (which is own and paid for) tells you. The FACT is that the majority of the wars is over RESOURCES and POWER. Not religion. Quit paying attention to the puppet and pay attention to the one pulling the strings and you will see this.
<quoted text>
LOL Yes thats the problem with the world. Not that they are greedy, materialistic people that are NEVER content. But its that they believe they were CREATED. Man it must pain you to be honest and objective lol
Look all this goes without saying...

But you are never going to get people to be one until you get rid of the reasons that they feel divided.....

You take away god and religion..... and you will have taken away two of the most poweful weapons that the evil elite use...

Since: Dec 09

Chicago, IL

#635 May 15, 2013
JJJ wrote:
<quoted text>
And the big circle restarts.....
I have no doubt that is we humans that are responsible for what we perceive to be evil exisiting in the world....
My contention is though that just as you and I would not pass a starving child with a full shopping trolley and watch them starve rather than feed them...we would not eve reason "we'll let them go hungry for a little longer so they can learn a lesson etc"...
No we would act immediately, it is what compassinate rational people do.
And if this god of love exists.... then it stand to reason that he too would act immediately.....
Really?
If you encountered a starving child while pushing a shopping trolley full of groceries, you'd give them something to eat "immediately"?
That's mighty white of you.
NOT.
THAT'S why the world is the way it is.
1.5 million children die of starvation yearly worldwide,.... 16,000 EVERY DAY.
Put that in your "*compassinate rational" pipe and smoke it.

*compassionate.
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#636 May 15, 2013
JJJ wrote:
<quoted text>
Look all this goes without saying...
But you are never going to get people to be one until you get rid of the reasons that they feel divided.....
You take away god and religion..... and you will have taken away two of the most poweful weapons that the evil elite use...
Yes you will. Tell them they're all the same and none is different from another. Let people live in the freedom that they deserve without oppression-filled systems holding them down. That should bring peace. But you believe the medias rhetoric that its "the religion" that they're arguing over lol
JJJ

Sydney, Australia

#637 May 15, 2013
janeebee wrote:
<quoted text>
Really?
If you encountered a starving child while pushing a shopping trolley full of groceries, you'd give them something to eat "immediately"?
That's mighty white of you.
NOT.
THAT'S why the world is the way it is.
1.5 million children die of starvation yearly worldwide,.... 16,000 EVERY DAY.
Put that in your "*compassinate rational" pipe and smoke it.
*compassionate.
I'll be kind and just accept that you've misunderstood my original comment...because your reply makes no sense at all....

Of course that's why the world is the way it is.. that's my point. There are not enough people that care there are some and I believe the number is growing but for sure not enough..

And if your god exists...**and take note becuase this is point I'm trying to make...***

If your god exists it would appear that along with the mojority people that are willing to sit back and not lift a finger to help he does not care either because if he did, he would fix things now.
janeebee wrote:
<1.5 million children die of starvation yearly worldwide,.... 16,000 EVERY DAY.
Put that in your "*compassinate rational" pipe and smoke it.
*compassionate.
And while you are quoting stats..... on a personal level do you do anything to ensure that 16000 child that die a day does not become 16000 +1 by sponsoring a child?

Or are you one of these peole that justify not helping becuase the straving child may only receive 10 cents in the dollar given?

Well I'll guarantee you that those children are better of with 10% of something as opposed to 100% of nothing
JJJ

Sydney, Australia

#638 May 15, 2013
janeebee wrote:
<That's mighty white of you.
I don't have a clue what you mean by that.... but for the record anyway......I'm of aboriginal descent.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#639 May 15, 2013
JJJ wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll be kind and just accept that you've misunderstood my original comment...because your reply makes no sense at all....
Of course that's why the world is the way it is.. that's my point. There are not enough people that care there are some and I believe the number is growing but for sure not enough..
And if your god exists...**and take note becuase this is point I'm trying to make...***
If your god exists it would appear that along with the mojority people that are willing to sit back and not lift a finger to help he does not care either because if he did, he would fix things now.
<quoted text>
And while you are quoting stats..... on a personal level do you do anything to ensure that 16000 child that die a day does not become 16000 +1 by sponsoring a child?
Or are you one of these peole that justify not helping becuase the straving child may only receive 10 cents in the dollar given?
Well I'll guarantee you that those children are better of with 10% of something as opposed to 100% of nothing
So what are YOU doing for the poor and disadvantaged?
Are you just another talk the talk and not walk the walk?
Just talking about it or doing something worth while?

Wind is cheap.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#640 May 15, 2013
janeebee wrote:

<That's mighty white of you.
JJJ wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't have a clue what you mean by that.... but for the record anyway......I'm of aboriginal descent.
Oh...really?
Maybe you are just one more Wog working for the man?

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