Human Sacrifice... right or wrong?
Punisher

Bronx, NY

#597 May 11, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Again, we need to differentiate between words like "cause" "reason" "purpose".
From a physics standpoint, everything has a cause.

However, just because something has a cause does not mean that it happened on purpose.

The _cause_ of a muscle twitch is a nerve firing. That nerve could fire because of dehydration. It could fire because of excess caffeine. Or it could just fire because the body is an imperfect machine.
Assigning importance to every thing that happens as if it were some secret message from beyond our perception is a flaw in human psychology.
Do you mean purpose always has a conscious intent behind it? "I do this on purpose!" "You did that on purpose!" "This was placed here on purpose."

Who's to say where purpose originates? Whats the purpose of a meteor? It has cause, it has physical properties, its acted upon by physical laws, and other objects(who are in turn reacting to and being reacted on)...did it not get where it is on purpose?

Whats purpose?
Punisher

Bronx, NY

#598 May 11, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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The problem here is vocabulary.
We are all in agreement that Newtonian Physics dictates that nothing can happen without the expenditure of some form of energy.
So, if I have a twitch in my arm - SOMETHING caused it.
The issue is not whether or not an event can have A CAUSE but rather whether or not that cause has a _purpose_.
The body is an imperfect machine. Things occur which are not purposeful. They are not indicative of some health issue, nor do they serve a special purpose.
If you are male, certainly you've had a beard whisker that was thicker than the others one time. There's no purpose behind that.
You have thousands of imperfect follicles producing hairs, one of them is bound to have a glitch once in a while.
Likewise, given all the nerve endings and muscles in your body, the fact that one of them twitches once is not an indicator that your body is purposefully trying to tell you something.
If you have a long painful spasm in your leg. Maybe. If it happens multiple times, probably.
But a muscle twitch is not something that has special purpose.
Isn't purpose an interpretation?
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#599 May 11, 2013
spandexxx wrote:
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Again the fact you enjoy playing basketball says you get a benefit/reward out of it or else you would not enjoy it.
The greatest human minds in the world like Aristotle,Socrates,sigmund freud etc etc etc have concluded that every human action how trivial and meaningless it seems has a physical or mental purpose behind it.
http://mises.org/rothbard/mes/chap1a.asp
Human action is defined simply as purposeful behavior.
And your saying that there is nothing concrete about what I'm saying??? LOL
I'll take your lack of ability to ask a new original question as a sign that you have lost the argument.
You still havent named anything that is lacking. Just because there is a reason for something doesnt mean that you're lacking something. Unless you can lay something CONCRETE down? If not it is as I said....
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#600 May 11, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>A baseball...a mitt? Inability to throw a ball well? Fear of wooden "sticks"? Allergies to grass?
We dont know yet...maybe you're very tall and prefer to play that which is easier for you? Thereby lacking the courage to try new, more difficult things...?
Until we go further into why you want to play B-ball over baseball, etc...we cant really answer your silly Q.
Again your analogy falls short. You tend to purposely make them limiting...
Maybe you should read the convo before jumping in? Spandexxx said that just because someone WANTS TO DO SOMETHING that they are lacking. I've been asking for CONCRETE terms but he hasnt provided any. Maybe you could?
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#601 May 11, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Its a figure of speech. You know like most of whats in the Bible.
Oh let me guess...by them not really being "left out in the cold", you mean that IF humans would just worship properly (according to whatever it is you deem proper) they'd at least get an overcoat and some warm boots and gloves from this God..? And re-entry to the paradise involves some arcane and vague notions about worship and more importantly all revolve around one particular interpretation of the Bible...?
Like I keep asking, when are you gonna admit to being a full-blooded American Xtian?
Bye punisher. I mean I treat you with respect why cant you do the same with me? Dont answer lol. Maybe in another thread I will discuss with you. But I keep asking "if I dont believe in Jesus how can I be a christian? But as I said dont answer. Or do it doesnt matter. I probably wont respond till another thread where you come repeating the same drivel as you have been. And I dont mean your opinions on God either
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#602 May 11, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>I understood where you were pointing...
I dont agree there's logic in your scenario...not good logic, when we factor in a few thousand years of Human learning, etc, re; revenge, etc...(not that we pay much attention to those lessons, most especially as a culture here in the US.)
What if the guy who killed those kids doesn't care about his own? So you killing them wont matter to him, in fact the loss would work in his favor...not being chased for child support, etc...???
You see your idea falls apart because no one can know what will hurt another person, the second party in this case, enough to exact the same response of the first wronged party and thereby get revenge.
And in reality how does that serve the first party?
Oh where? Its that YOU worship a very Xtian version of that God. You use all Xtian arguments to make your points re; that God. Your POV is Xtian, American Xtian...that you claim not to be. So when are you just gonna come out of the closet?
Adios Pun.

But before I ignore every post after this ( I will read but probably wont respond)I'll ask do mormons use the bible? Jews? Catholics? Seventh Day Adventists? So why when I use the bible to display something am I automatically a christian though I REPEATEDLY tell you that I do not believe in Jesus? OH well answer do not I will not respond most likely since you cant answer these simple questions.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#603 May 11, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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Adios Pun.
But before I ignore every post after this ( I will read but probably wont respond)I'll ask do mormons use the bible? Jews? Catholics? Seventh Day Adventists? So why when I use the bible to display something am I automatically a christian though I REPEATEDLY tell you that I do not believe in Jesus? OH well answer do not I will not respond most likely since you cant answer these simple questions.
SHeeSH!
YOU are harsh, way too harsh and off track.
WHY do you confuse Catholics as "non-christian"?

If it wasn't for Catholics, there would be no Bible for anybody to thump on!

Catholics are the Original Christians®.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#604 May 11, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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Spandexxx said that just because someone WANTS TO DO SOMETHING that they are lacking. I've been asking for CONCRETE terms but he hasnt provided any.
Maybe you could?
Maybe Spandexxx is a hopeless minimalist going nowhere fast?
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#606 May 11, 2013
Hardie-Har-Har wrote:
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LMFAO!
The only thing "Original" about Catholicism is its pagan roots, and bouffant hair-do!
Hardie-Har-Har!
Yeah, you're right.
There's lot's of one time pagans, and other sinners, in The Catholic Church.

BUT...you ain't been to mass in a long time if your think there's any "bouffant hair-dos"?

However, you do have a good imagination.
You one funny guy........
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#608 May 11, 2013
Hardie-Har-Har wrote:
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Thanx Amigo!
The KEYWORD, though, was "ORIGINAL" bouffant!
)Hahh!) While The Catholic bouffants went out of style,
their paganism remains Jupiterial as ever, by Jove!
Hardie-Har-Har!
Have a good night, "Elvis".
spandexxx

Rijswijk, Netherlands

#610 May 12, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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You still havent named anything that is lacking. Just because there is a reason for something doesnt mean that you're lacking something. Unless you can lay something CONCRETE down? If not it is as I said....
Lol you are trying to reverse the fact that you can not give me 1 solid example of human worth to god.
Its like when christians say prove god does not exist and turn things around.
1 CONCRETE example of you're lacking is a lacking of an argument and an even 1 example.
Your not WORTH my time.
Good day sir.
spandexxx

Rijswijk, Netherlands

#611 May 12, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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Maybe you should read the convo before jumping in? Spandexxx said that just because someone WANTS TO DO SOMETHING that they are lacking. I've been asking for CONCRETE terms but he hasnt provided any. Maybe you could?
Define concrete terms.
You haven't provided me even 1 remote example of the human worth you claimed people have to god.
My question was first yet you slowly turned it in this other coversation like i pointed out to you many times already.
The fact is the bible says god is perfect.
Psalm 18:30 As for God, his way is perfect: The LORD's word is flawless.
Creating something like humans while having no reason to create them proves god is not perfect and thus not god.
Or can anybody here think up a reason why a god who is al and lacks nothing and is perfect in itself would create anything outside itself?
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#612 May 12, 2013
spandexxx wrote:
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I cannot show what you're lacking in your scenario
Good day sir.
Yea this is what I thought lol

Good day to you as well sir
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#613 May 12, 2013
spandexxx wrote:
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Define concrete terms.
You haven't provided me even 1 remote example of the human worth you claimed people have to god.
My question was first yet you slowly turned it in this other coversation like i pointed out to you many times already.
The fact is the bible says god is perfect.
Psalm 18:30 As for God, his way is perfect: The LORD's word is flawless.
Creating something like humans while having no reason to create them proves god is not perfect and thus not god.
Or can anybody here think up a reason why a god who is al and lacks nothing and is perfect in itself would create anything outside itself?
Just because God creates something doesnt mean He is lacking anything. It was a choice He made. So all that you're saying is bias lol
spandexxx

Rijswijk, Netherlands

#614 May 12, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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Yea this is what I thought lol
Good day to you as well sir
childish like i already thought you where.
spandexxx

Rijswijk, Netherlands

#615 May 12, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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Just because God creates something doesnt mean He is lacking anything. It was a choice He made. So all that you're saying is bias lol
yes it does.
But anyway you still can not give me even 1 example of human worth to god like you claimed there was.
You fail
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#616 May 12, 2013
spandexxx wrote:
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yes it does.
But anyway you still can not give me even 1 example of human worth to god like you claimed there was.
You fail
No not "anyway" lol. You still havent provided what you said was lacking just by wanting to do something. Your argument holds no water.

And I've already answered your worth question. Humans do not add nor take away anything from God by being alive. Meaning God is not increased in stature just because they're alive. That doesnt mean He doesnt love them. That is worth right? Love?
spandexxx

Rijswijk, Netherlands

#617 May 12, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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No not "anyway" lol. You still havent provided what you said was lacking just by wanting to do something. Your argument holds no water.
And I've already answered your worth question. Humans do not add nor take away anything from God by being alive. Meaning God is not increased in stature just because they're alive. That doesnt mean He doesnt love them. That is worth right? Love?
The deffinition of worth = something desirable or useful.
How is love useful or desirable to a already complete god?
spandexxx

Rijswijk, Netherlands

#618 May 12, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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No not "anyway" lol. You still havent provided what you said was lacking just by wanting to do something. Your argument holds no water.
And I've already answered your worth question. Humans do not add nor take away anything from God by being alive. Meaning God is not increased in stature just because they're alive. That doesnt mean He doesnt love them. That is worth right? Love?
btw you need to define a vage term like love first because many things can be love like solidarity,romantic,family,fri ends etc.And al of them fil a need humans have so it has worth to them.
God has no needs so how can love be worth anything to him?
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#619 May 12, 2013
spandexxx wrote:
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The deffinition of worth = something desirable or useful.
How is love useful or desirable to a already complete god?
God is complete in Himself. That doesnt mean He cant love something else.

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